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And More posted:I'll take it. As long as we can agree that the little jolt could be more than just random movement in the context of the previous scene, I'm happy. It's not random movement at all, though, it's an actress sitting on a bed getting a cue to start her scene by suddenly snapping out of inattention. This is called "transition," and it's an important part of making scenes flow together. This happens all the time in movies and TV. Do you think that when Jim Carrey takes a poo poo on his neighbor's lawn in Me, Myself & Irene that the ice cream vendor in the next scene went "hm I bet Jim Carrey's taking a poo poo right now, this is the perfect time to make a soft serve cone"? Have you ever seen the show Archer and have you thought that the premise is psychic spies this whole time because almost every scene transition does this? Hell, the characters in Archer finish other characters' sentences even though they aren't in the same place/scene, there's more evidence for the characters in Archer being supernatural than anything in this season of TD. I don't understand how people can complain about direction for the entire season and then completely whiff when it comes to the few directorial and editing techniques that the show manages to pull off. EDIT: Even if she does turn out to have supernatural intuition and the show suddenly shifts to magical realism in the last episode, it's a really ineffective way to communicate that shift and I'll have to walk back that compliment. Regulus74 fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Aug 4, 2015 |
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None of the characters have been wearing ties, vests, or masks lately. We need some screenshots to go deeper on this.
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Aug 4, 2015 21:10
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SaviourX posted:None of the characters have been wearing ties, vests, or masks lately. We need some screenshots to go deeper on this. Do you think Woodrugh bought murder barbie dolls with bird heads for his unborn child?
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Aug 4, 2015 21:20
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How did Burris know where to ambush Woodborough?
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Aug 4, 2015 21:20
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Sistergodiva posted:How did Burris know where to ambush Woodborough? He read the script
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Aug 4, 2015 21:21
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Sistergodiva posted:How did Burris know where to ambush Woodborough? My theory is that the tunnel exit Woodrough used lead to the same building they entered the tunnels through so he was just sitting outside the exit to the building. Maybe even had other corrupt cops/Black Mountain guys at the other exits just in case.
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Aug 4, 2015 21:27
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Sistergodiva posted:How did Burris know where to ambush Woodborough? He's Mexican and has the powers of ancient Mexican gods
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mrking posted:My theory is that the tunnel exit Woodrough used lead to the same building they entered the tunnels through so he was just sitting outside the exit to the building. Maybe even had other corrupt cops/Black Mountain guys at the other exits just in case. "Look, just in case this guy we outnumber 5 to 1 kills us, station men at every opening that this tunnel has all throughout the entire city. Just sit in the dark all night."
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Aug 4, 2015 21:38
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More like "Gay Bike Cop just grabbed Afrocop, station men at the exits" I dunno man however you slice it its just not that believable.
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Aug 4, 2015 21:40
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ZeeBoi posted:He's Mexican and has the powers of ancient Mexican gods
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Codependent Poster posted:"Look, just in case this guy we outnumber 5 to 1 kills us, station men at every opening that this tunnel has all throughout the entire city. Just sit in the dark all night." The one guy said all the exits were covered, Holloway could've gotten word to Burris to get the exits covered asap (I think Holloway was just pistol-whipped).
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Aug 4, 2015 21:42
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I already offered you guys a fine solution to help you not sperg out on the exit.
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Aug 4, 2015 21:43
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Woodrough was the backup in case bike cop somehow took out all five guys. He was hiding in the shadows the whole time and trailed bike cop to the exit. No idea why the car was already parked outside.
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Aug 4, 2015 22:01
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THERE IS NO PLACE TO RUN! ALL THE FUSES IN THE EXIT SIGNS HAVE BEEN BURNT OUT!
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I wish I could have a show where every instance of bad writing/direction was taken as being clever supernatural intrigue. That being said, Vince Vaughn is far more compelling when he's torturing people to death.
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Does anybody else think that bike cop's army buddy is the little boy from the diamond murders? He trained to be a mercenary in order to gain skills/get closer to his parents killers, and he also said that he would get Woodraugh through the meeting alive. He might have been also thought that Woodraugh was getting to close to his mission unintentionally so he decided to get blackmail evidence to get him to stay away, it's just that he didn't foresee the A-Team hitting the orgy house.
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savinhill posted:I can't remember The Cold Six Thousand one, but it definitely made me think of the armored car heist from Blood's A Rover. That one happened during the Watts riots, and like the diamond heist from True Detectice, has a major influence on the case being investigated by the protagonists years later. Oh duh, that's the one I was thinking of. I got the titles mixed up in my brain. Fans of True Detective should go read James Ellroy's Underworld USA Trilogy, or at least the first one, American Tabloid. Although worldwide in scope, they definitely share some DNA with this show. Labyrinthine conspiracies, multiple LEO protagonists, horrific violence, bad men, moral ambiguity, and lots of iconic settings and characters. Human Tornada fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Aug 4, 2015 |
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Aug 4, 2015 22:37
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I want to chime in on the jolt the beard gets. Analyzing this scene is stupid. You're stupid. The scene where Person A, who is emotionally connected to Person B, reacts in some random way because they feel through the force that Person B is in trouble? That's a scene that has been done throughout the history of cinema. It is a cliche. It is a trope. It has become that which we don't want True Detective to have: a tired meme. But here we are. True Detective is relying on worn-out narrative in the hopes that your girlfriend or boyfriend sees it and goes "oh, honey, she felt it, she knows he's dead..." and you roll your eyes because duh that's not real, that can't really happen, this show is too smart to do dumb poo poo like that but no. It is too dumb now. Enjoy season 2 of True Detective. Coming up next... FRIENDS!
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DaveKap posted:I want to chime in on the jolt the beard gets. I know it's all too late and stuff, but this is pretty much what I was trying to say the entire time. I was not trying to claim that the character is literally having psychic magical visions, but that the well-worn trope of "feeling through the force" that a loved one has died is inherently supernatural, even though it happens all the time in realistic fiction / media. That is why I specifically referenced magical realism (which is basically where the entire trope came from) and movies like the Counselor that have almost shot-for-shot the same exact thing happen, despite the rest of the movie being as grounded in reality as TD is. It was an offhand comment that people blew out of proportion because everyone has to kneejerk anything that even mentions the barest hint of supernatural occurrence in this show (which, to be fair, I can sympathize with after all the dumb Cthulhu poo poo last season) People don't literally "feel" someone dying in real life, but it is a visual metaphor co-opted from the magical realist tradition where it was, in fact, meant to be supernatural. Nor was I claiming that the way they juxtaposed those shots was racist. I was merely observing that it is interesting that the "sensation of a loved one dying" trope (which, again, is not ascribing the character magical powers of any kind, but is rather a storytelling tool that gets used as emotional shorthand even though it is not "realistic") is more often ascribed to Hispanic characters (largely because of the lingering influence of magical realism, which itself is a product of Latin American culture). Unfortunately, some people have the reading comprehension of a sponge and it is a miracle that they make it through each morning without drowning in the shower. Just thought there might be a slightly more interesting conversation to be had from that than the "who can remember the full names of the most tertiary characters" oneupsmanship or people frantically copy + pasting trip reports from Erowid to prove that they know more about MDMA.
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onemillionzombies posted:I wish I could have a show where every instance of bad writing/direction was taken as being clever supernatural intrigue. What's the supernatural explanation behind the ceiling stain monologue? Is Vince Vaughn going to bust out into some kind of were-rat in the middle of the firefight in the last episode because the rats gnawed on his fingers? What about the distant stare blowjob BikeCop got... this game sounds way more fun than arguing over the scope of his baby mama's clairvoyance. If anybody is reacting to his death its the unborn fetus, that child is the son of a god-warrior.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKTpW4n2XgQ
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That's pretty great but not enough jokes about who the redhead's dad is. Seriously though, what the gently caress is with the doll in the milk. It was a CG insert of a real woman. WHY?!
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DaveKap posted:Seriously though, what the gently caress is with the doll in the milk. It was a CG insert of a real woman. WHY?! https://vimeo.com/45615153
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It's pretty neat to see in person, though the artist was actually sort of bummed by how it got used in the show.
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DaveKap posted:Seriously though, what the gently caress is with the doll in the milk. It was a CG insert of a real woman. WHY?! I didn't know what the gently caress when I first saw it on the show but it's a real art piece, it turns out. e: beaten
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Human Tornada posted:Oh duh, that's the one I was thinking of. I got the titles mixed up in my brain. I just finished American Tabloid and it is loving brilliant. Just that chapter near the end where Ward wins the blinking contest with RFK by revealing his dad was part of the Teamster loan corruption scandal was so perfect. I've also started putting Pete Bondurant in my XCOM squad so he can crack his knuckles at the aliens. 
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:It's pretty neat to see in person, though the artist was actually sort of bummed by how it got used in the show. There are probably things that arent naked women, that are "serene and gentle".
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blablablabla posted:There are probably things that arent naked women, that are "serene and gentle". I agree, though I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to portray the human body in that context. I don't hold it against him if he wasn't totally happy with how his art was used in the show, but he mentioned it again in an interview and it didn't sound like he was really that upset or anything, and he acknowledged that it isn't his interpretation that ultimately matters anyway.
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I never would have known... thanks a lot for the link! Okay, that makes way more sense now. Yeesh, that was bothering me so much. Seems like the artist is actually happy with how things went down because he sorta rants about how visual art never gets credited but HBO changed their stance when he insisted that his work get credited.
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blablablabla posted:There are probably things that arent naked women, that are "serene and gentle". They aren't nearly as interesting.
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:I don't hold it against him if he wasn't totally happy with how his art was used in the show, but he mentioned it again in an interview and it didn't sound like he was really that upset or anything, and he acknowledged that it isn't his interpretation that ultimately matters anyway. Then again it kinda makes me like its placement in the show even more. I'd never heard of the piece before the show, but I like the idea that something that might be "serene and gentle" in an art gallery becomes lurid and pornographic just by being in Caspere's orbit.
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onemillionzombies posted:That being said, Vince Vaughn is far more compelling when he's torturing people to death. Dude, he's gonna kill so many more people with bullets, maybe knives and hopefully more fire. Some men just want to watch the world burn, indeed. His character, the season have meandered but Vaughny boy acing a whole bunch of muthafucks is pretty dope. Gonna redeem the show just a little.
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AtraMorS posted:Given the tone of the video presentation, I'd imagine "the trashed home of a corrupt, sexually deviant, and recently murdered public official" isn't the kind of setting he had in mind. It's easy to see where he's coming from. That's a good way of putting it, and I feel the same way. It's cool that they had someone on the show who was a big enough fan of the piece to seek him out and ask to use it, and it adds some bizarre texture to Caspere's inclinations. Most shows would just toss a ball gag on the dresser and call it a day.
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I know I'm late, but RIP Officer Rough Wood. You were the truest of gaytectives.  Seriously, though, it felt a tiny bit cheap that in the end he didn't have to confront his fiancée about the whole thing. But maybe she'll see his gayness in one of her famous magic crystal balls at some point and they will settle it in a séance. As for why everything was twice on the list, remember that Frank needed two cars. He just wanted both have the same arsenal, because he's not sure which one he'll end up using.
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I think my only reasoning for Burris is that Holloway woke up, saw which way Woodrough was running, and phoned him while he was nearby. I mean, I don't know how much time really passed and if that was possible, but it's something.
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Tbh, if he was anywhere in the vicinity, he probably could have just followed the gunshots. They would have been very noticeable, even above ground, and the place where the shootout ends is like ten feet away from the exit so it's not a huge leap to imagine the guy decided to wait there. Or he just got lucky. The "how" isn't all that important at the end of the day.
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The how is kinda important because it just looks like lovely lazy writing otherwise. Yeah he just spawned behind a door and double tapped the self-hating gay cop, what of it?
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:people frantically copy + pasting trip reports from Erowid to prove that they know more about MDMA. I assure you that I actually have taken way too many drugs. Also anyone who knows what Erowid even is probably has done MDMA or is over 30 or both.
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onemillionzombies posted:The how is kinda important because it just looks like lovely lazy writing otherwise. It is lazy writing, but there's plenty of that to go around this season. There are just a hell of a lot more plot threads than last season, so I can forgive a lazy shortcut here or there in service of the overarching plot maintaining its momentum. In general the pacing / editing has been a bit off compared to last season - a good example is how samey all of Frank's conversations with his wife (whose name I can't even remember because it's been mentioned like all of one time) feel, especially given how little payoff / real character development there has been. The shooting is kind of contrived, but his character arc in general has been pretty mediocre compared to the other leads, so at this point I'd rather see how his death impacts the others than spend any more time with him.
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