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ilkhan posted:P90D is still only fast as gently caress up to about 100mph, beyond that (supercar level) ICE wins. Because it doesn't have a gearbox. It beats most supercars up to 100 mph in one gear. If they added a gearbox to it, different story.
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Ola posted:Because it doesn't have a gearbox. It beats most supercars up to 100 mph in one gear. If they added a gearbox to it, different story. Gearbox wouldn't help that much. A P85 has about 175 Nm @ 100 mph and 430 Nm @ 50 mph. If you would add a second gear that would double the overall gear ratio you would get 215 Nm @ 100 mph with some additional transmission loss and weight. An improvement, but nothing that would change the overall conclusion.
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DoLittle posted:Gearbox wouldn't help that much. A P85 has about 175 Nm @ 100 mph and 430 Nm @ 50 mph. If you would add a second gear that would double the overall gear ratio you would get 215 Nm @ 100 mph with some additional transmission loss and weight. An improvement, but nothing that would change the overall conclusion. It will help any car, ICEs or electrics, the math is the same. The torque dips when it starts running out of revs so you change the drive ratio, lose torque but gain wheel speed. It will lose the top speed race to a car with higher hp/drag because physics.
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eeenmachine posted:I installed an update last night but I only skimmed the notes. Didn't see anything about lane assist, only improved adaptive cruise at highway speed. Looks like it's part of the annual DEF CON festivities: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33802344 Tesla has a Model S down on the contest floor, kind of interested to see what happens with it.
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Anyone know anything about EV conversions? I realised my budget and desires match up with a converted ICE car better than what's out there right now (especially budget). Are lithium batteries getting more readily available and affordable?
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Cakefool posted:Anyone know anything about EV conversions? I realised my budget and desires match up with a converted ICE car better than what's out there right now (especially budget). Are lithium batteries getting more readily available and affordable? They are hard to get in usable car size unless you get one out of a Leaf or something. I've seen people do Powerwall-like setups in mountain cabins with Leaf packs that have been removed from the car, so you can definitely get them. But buying a new car size battery pack from a big wholesale supplier like A123 is impossible (liability issues) or at best uselessly expensive (cheaper to buy a used EV and pull out the pack). There are probably tons of smaller companies selling small to medium packs though. Here is an Austrian company which sells lithium packs for boat conversions, http://www.aquawatt.at/ A 16 kWh pack, which is 2/3rds of a Leaf capacity, is over $16K...and I guess it doesn't include the controller and charger. Old conversions were normally half a ton of lead acid batteries which gives you a 20 mile range. There is a fantastic thread in DIY about a tractor EV conversion, stuff like that is still doable at home and actually useful but converted cars aiming to do car jobs won't end up very well, certainly not on a tight budget. The battery pack and controller setup (unless you go for the 20 mile, half ton lead acid option) is complicated and expensive, you might not be able to charge at all the new charging points and you'll not get anywhere near the quality and usability of something coming off a factory line - certainly not on a budget smaller than a 2nd hand factory EV anyway. If you want an EV for regular car duty and you don't like the look/price of the current ones, stick to cheap ICE for now and wait while building up a Tesla Model 3 piggy bank. But if you want it as a pure hobby project for fun and you don't mind it not being practical, there are loads of resources for that online. The various conversion communities might have faded a bit the past years, but you should be able to find plenty of info on how to convert a Triumph Spitfire, Dodge Ram, Volvo 240 etc etc. But it would probably be just as fun and a lot simpler/cheaper/cooler to do a quad bike or a boat or something else that doesn't have any off-the-rack alternative.
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Ola posted:It will help any car, ICEs or electrics, the math is the same. The torque dips when it starts running out of revs so you change the drive ratio, lose torque but gain wheel speed. It will lose the top speed race to a car with higher hp/drag because physics. But because of the particular shape of the Tesla torque curve the benefit is gears small compared to the benefit gears provide in typical ICE cars. The phenomenal low speed performance advantage Tesla enjoys will not be there at higher speeds - gears or no gears - because ICE cars are also able to utilize their optimal rev range. It becomes just a question of power-to-weight. Granted, something like Charger Hellcat is needed to match the power-to-weight ratio of a P90D, but you can buy two of the Hellcats for the price of a P90D.
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Ola posted:They are hard to get in usable car size unless you get one out of a Leaf or something. I've seen people do Powerwall-like setups in mountain cabins with Leaf packs that have been removed from the car, so you can definitely get them. But buying a new car size battery pack from a big wholesale supplier like A123 is impossible (liability issues) or at best uselessly expensive (cheaper to buy a used EV and pull out the pack). There are probably tons of smaller companies selling small to medium packs though. Here is an Austrian company which sells lithium packs for boat conversions, http://www.aquawatt.at/ A 16 kWh pack, which is 2/3rds of a Leaf capacity, is over $16K...and I guess it doesn't include the controller and charger. Well I did the obvious thing and googled and looks like I could get a 60Ah 96v LiFePO pack for about £3000, which with a 15/30kw AC motor kit comes in at about £8k total. Doable and a fun project in the right car.
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Cakefool posted:Well I did the obvious thing and googled and looks like I could get a 60Ah 96v LiFePO pack for about £3000, which with a 15/30kw AC motor kit comes in at about £8k total. Doable and a fun project in the right car. That's under 6 kWh, so 1/4 of a Leaf. Austin Healey electric hill climber would be very cool. DoLittle posted:But because of the particular shape of the Tesla torque curve the benefit is gears small compared to the benefit gears provide in typical ICE cars. The phenomenal low speed performance advantage Tesla enjoys will not be there at higher speeds - gears or no gears - because ICE cars are also able to utilize their optimal rev range. It becomes just a question of power-to-weight. Granted, something like Charger Hellcat is needed to match the power-to-weight ratio of a P90D, but you can buy two of the Hellcats for the price of a P90D. The story would anyway be different with gears, if not completely reversed. The Tesla doesn't have a gearbox so 500 hp cars will catch up with it and will have a higher top speed. Still, I would never consider owning a Charger Hellcat or anything similar but would love a Tesla.
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Cakefool posted:Anyone know anything about EV conversions? I realised my budget and desires match up with a converted ICE car better than what's out there right now (especially budget). Are lithium batteries getting more readily available and affordable? At one point (before apparently refocusing entirely on their charger line) eMotorWerks used to offer a kit for converting E46 BMWs to electric. I can't find the product page anymore for specifics, but based on press releases and old forum posts it looks like it was around $15,000 to start for a 30kWh setup offering a claimed range of 100 miles and compatible with J1772 chargers up to level 2. I'd imagine in a homebrew type environment you would probably be able to save money on the parts but you'll be putting a lot more of someone's time (be it your own or someone you're paying to do the job) in to fabrication and integration.
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I for one, welcome our new electric liquid metal robot snake spine overlords. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMM0lRfX6YI
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Ola posted:That's under 6 kWh, so 1/4 of a Leaf. Austin Healey electric hill climber would be very cool. So £12k for a pack the size of the leafs, better than £16k for 2/3rds. Still doable, though at the point of the being better off buying a used leaf.
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Cakefool posted:So £12k for a pack the size of the leafs, better than £16k for 2/3rds. Still doable, though at the point of the being better off buying a used leaf. It was 16k USD, 10k GBP - but probably without controller, charger and tons of other stuff you need. Looks like £8k gets you a nice Leaf on autotrader.co.uk. Also worth considering that a fun home project with a £10k budget might very well end up with a drivable car, but possibly not a car with any resale value.
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Voltage posted:I for one, welcome our new electric liquid metal robot snake spine overlords. On the one hand  On the other hand 
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My deep, dark greatest fear is being grabbed and maimed/killed by industrial machinery. I go out of my way not to be around it. Im not happy with it showing up at every gas station Nightmare fuel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU3eEVzwe20&t=18s
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Voltage posted:I for one, welcome our new electric liquid metal robot snake spine overlords. Nobody tell ADTRW.
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When I read that they sent Robert Downey Jr. to go hang out with Elon Musk to get some real-life inspiration for how Tony Stark would act, I thought it was a bit weird. Then Tesla makes a robot snake charger that looks like its straight out of the movies, and now I see why everyone draws parallels to Tony Stark. 
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MattD1zzl3 posted:My deep, dark greatest fear is being grabbed and maimed/killed by industrial machinery. I go out of my way not to be around it. Im not happy with it showing up at every gas station https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtCitiQMnIA This doesn't have music because licensing I guess, so here's a dailymotion link for the same thing in all its glory. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xg52f_the-chemical-brothers-believe_music Finger Prince fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Aug 7, 2015 |
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I've driven 5 EV conversion cars and all of them drove like total butt, even the porsche conversion. And a couple of them had really strong battery smell in the cabin, that wouldn't go away. Working on them isn't that fun and you get stuck trying to figure out why the BMS cell balancer keeps coming on even though the cells are balanced and really slowing down any kind of charging. gently caress you BMS. And always wearing thick rubber gloves because shock. If you want an EV go used. There are a few weird ones out there like Mitsubishi miev or RAV4 ev which are both alright.
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Voltage posted:I for one, welcome our new electric liquid metal robot snake spine overlords. Especially disturbing is the final adjustment it makes to the angle of the tip before it goes for the insertion.
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sincx posted:Especially disturbing is the final adjustment it makes to the angle of the tip before it goes for the insertion. With only the slightest pause to spray the lubricant.
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any interest in me writing up about my experiance totaling a model S in a head on collision, how the safetymeasures worked and how tesla handled it?
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fjelltorsk posted:any interest in me writing up about my experiance totaling a model S in a head on collision, how the safetymeasures worked and how tesla handled it? do it!
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fjelltorsk posted:any interest in me writing up about my experiance totaling a model S in a head on collision, how the safetymeasures worked and how tesla handled it? yes definitely
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So, earlier this summer i was driving my 2015 P85D on a fairly narrow dual carriage way on a bendy stretch with a 60 km/h limit. i passed a fairly tight right hander and saw a semi truck in the oncomming lane and a late model Audi comming towards me in my lane. he was comming very very fast. On my right hand side i had a rock wall and on the left there was the annoying bit about the oncomming trailer. i put the side of my car on the wall (i would like to tell that is was to scrub speed, but i think it was just instinct fight/flight) and we impacted. Due to me going to the right and possibly the Audi going abit towards the truck we had a pretty severe offset. One of the occupants of the audi was ejected due to no seatbelt and hit my bonnet. I was hit in the face with some debris from the audi, slammed into the airbag and got my bell rung pretty bad and my nose broke. i also cracked a few ribs when the tentioner fired. I had my twin boys in the back seats in rear facing kids seats. One of my kids got a broken arm and a sore neck from leaning out of his seat. The ejected party from the audio was paralized and was in coma for a few weeks before he passed. the other occupants had some pretty significant trauma to his legs and torso. as far as i know he is still in rehab. The Tesla performed extremely well in the accident. i was able to open my door, and the drivers side rear door to get the kids seats out. the passenger side doors also opened when it was removed from the wall. The "frunk" area deformed pretty significantly and the battery back disconnected. I have worked as a full time Fire fighter for 8 years and the way the cabin held its shape really impressed me. the front damaged looked gnarly. but that is mostly because there is no engine block in there to hold a shape. so it can deform it self to mitigate the energy from the impact. The day after the incident my sales guy at the Tesla store called me and asked very politely if i was interested in having a chat with them when i felt up to it because my car was one of the first totaled P85Ds in europe at the time. i agreed and three days after the meeting we had our first talk. They treated me great. The first meeting was more or less just a talk where i agreed that they could examine the car and that i would talk to some german and american engineers about the incident. We had some back and forth discussions and i filled out a lot of forms and stuff. after about a week i had decided i wanted another Tesla to replace the crashed one. at the time there was a 6 months wait for P85Ds in Norway and i worried about what to do. two weeks after the accident we where supposed to use the tesla for a car holiday in Norway. after a few days Tesla found a car matching my desires that was they where able to divert and send to me. to not impact our holiday plans they let us borrow a demo car on the first part of the holiday, and we picked "our" car up in Drammen, the main port for auto transport in norway. They also gave me a zero dollar finance on the car until my insurer payed out my claim. and the insurer agreed to handle the claim with tesla, so i had no worries to deal with. 5/5 would crash again (joking, it was a pretty hard blow emotionally to put my kids in harms way)
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fjelltorsk posted:So, earlier this summer i was driving my 2015 P85D on a fairly narrow dual carriage way on a bendy stretch with a 60 km/h limit. i passed a fairly tight right hander and saw a semi truck in the oncomming lane and a late model Audi comming towards me in my lane. he was comming very very fast. On my right hand side i had a rock wall and on the left there was the annoying bit about the oncomming trailer. i put the side of my car on the wall (i would like to tell that is was to scrub speed, but i think it was just instinct fight/flight) and we impacted. Due to me going to the right and possibly the Audi going abit towards the truck we had a pretty severe offset. One of the occupants of the audi was ejected due to no seatbelt and hit my bonnet. I was hit in the face with some debris from the audi, slammed into the airbag and got my bell rung pretty bad and my nose broke. i also cracked a few ribs when the tentioner fired. I had my twin boys in the back seats in rear facing kids seats. One of my kids got a broken arm and a sore neck from leaning out of his seat. The ejected party from the audio was paralized and was in coma for a few weeks before he passed. the other occupants had some pretty significant trauma to his legs and torso. as far as i know he is still in rehab. Wow... I'm sorry you had to go through it, but the results are pretty telling. Audi doesn't build lovely safety equipment (although the lack of a seatbelt isn't their fault), and it sounds like you fared much better than the occupants of the Audi. It's pretty amazing that you could open your doors after an impact like that. I'm glad to hear that Tesla helped out, I'm a huge fan of the company and hope to own one at some point (Model 3 is looking like a possibility in a few years). Do you have any pictures of your car? I'm not interested in seeing the Audi.
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I'm sorry that that happened to you and your family., and I'm glad that you guys pulled out okay. Sucks the guy in the other party neglected to wear a belt. I would also like to see photos. How was Tesla sales aware of the accident the day following it? It sounds like you did the very best you could in very unforgiving circumstances. This is not super relevant to the thread but I've never had the opportunity to ask about a crash like this, and I'd like to know, how old were your kids? How did you explain the event to them, and what unfortunately happened to beltless guy? Michael Scott fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Aug 10, 2015 |
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Michael Scott posted:How was Tesla sales aware of the accident the day following it? I'm pretty sure Tesla gets alerted by the on-board computers about lots of things... Airbag deployment being one of them. OnStar is the same way in the GM products.
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Michael Scott posted:I'm sorry that that happened to you and your family., and I'm glad that you guys pulled out okay. Sucks the guy in the other party neglected to wear a belt. I would also like to see photos. How was Tesla sales aware of the accident the day following it? I am fairly sure the firefighters called to inquiery if there was any special protocol for handling the battery pack as it was their first tesla crash. the deal with pics are that.... i agreed to not use any of the pics taken from the accident scene due to well....gore. and it also was a part of the deal i made with tesla for them to cover the options on the car i got that i would not normally order. i took very little photos, i just wanted the thing to be over, and my face hurt like hell for three weeks. i still look kinda "rough" and i have alot of scaring on my nose my kids are nearly three years old. they handled it pretty good. i think me having brung them on open days at the FD where we did extraction demos maybe helped. was also pretty helpfull that most of the firefighters responding are people that visit our home regularly. we had a talk about how sometimes bad things happen to good people, and that we try all we can to not have that happen. but sometimes i just does. My wife was very good with taking them on rides the day after and making riding in the car safe again. when we got the new one the kid with the broken arm said "this blue on is cooler, lets not crash it daddy" the ejected guy, a 17 year old was the passenger in the Audi, i have little information, due to the fact that my wife is a doctor at that hospital, so everyone sorta guessed she filled me in, but she has comfidentiality. he had severe head trauma, they tried to relieve pressure and stuff. he also had several fractured vertabrae in his neck and back. He also lost a lof of blood. at the scene i tried to apply pressure to his femural artery bleed until the ambo arrived. i think he died due to a brain bleed after the swelling got under controll. i also learned why they tell boxers not to blow trough their nose when its fractured
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fjelltorsk posted:the deal with pics are that.... i agreed to not use any of the pics taken from the accident scene due to well....gore. and it also was a part of the deal i made with tesla for them to cover the options on the car i got that i would not normally order. Tesla asked you not to use photos from the accident in order to cover some options on your new vehicle? e: Also, thank you for sharing your experience. Michael Scott fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Aug 10, 2015 |
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Telsa crash photos have tanked the stock before, they're probably not keen to have a bloody mangled tesla blow up all over New media. Wear your seat belts, all the safety features are designed with the assumption that you are. They become useless if you don't.
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Uncle Jam posted:Telsa crash photos have tanked the stock before, they're probably not keen to have a bloody mangled tesla blow up all over New media. Yeah, even though it should be attached to the fact that the car did a stellar job of protecting its occupants, it won't stop someone from taking it out of context. Especially given this bit: fjelltorsk posted:One of the occupants of the audi was ejected due to no seatbelt and hit my bonnet. As if I didn't want a Tesla before, I want one even more now. An electric car that's still fun to drive and also insanely safe in a crash? Yes please.
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Michael Scott posted:Tesla asked you not to use photos from the accident in order to cover some options on your new vehicle? when i signed the thingiemagigy where they skipped charging me it was a point on the contract along the lines with "dont sell the car for more than you payed for it within the first 180 days without telling us. it was not like i was rewarded for not using the photos. it was just one of the more superflous parts of the contract. and most of the pictures i would never post online, i even have deleted them from my phone. there was a lot of blood from the front bumper, windshield, roof and driver side of the car. it looked pretty nasty... this is a picture i found on my HD, fairly sure it had been hosed at this point.. 
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