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Bloodly posted:Beaten, battered, close to death, unable to draw on Light Side powers because it's outright blocked where he's at, and this was before there was any creed to spout to yourself. I remember that sequence. I think it's more that every single panel is him being like "No, Master Vodo was right! Shouldn't do this!" (proceeds to do whatever without hesitation).
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Random Stranger posted:But isn't objectivism really all about self-loathing? I thought objectivism is actually about only loving yourself.
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Benito Cereno posted:Kirby definitely did not hate hippies. The Forever People, for example, was basically a love letter to the younger generation of that time, despite the fact that Kirby himself was in his 50s, which would normally be prime time for hating young people. To the latter point, the magic powers Kirby believed hippies had would be optimism and idealism, which just found themselves literalized in his comics in the same way that fascism is literalized in the form of the anti-life equation. If Mark Evanier can be believed, the "Hairies" from Jimmy Olsen were based on a biker gang that used to hang out in a ravine behind Kirby's house. 
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Selachian posted:If Mark Evanier can be believed, the "Hairies" from Jimmy Olsen were based on a biker gang that used to hang out in a ravine behind Kirby's house. Kirby even lived cool. 
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Aug 11, 2015 16:23
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prefect posted:Kirby even lived cool. How could he not as he is God.
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I can't find the exact quote, but in Evainer's biography of Kirby he talks about how at one point some (pre WW2) Nazi wannabes/sympathizers came into the Marvel offices to talk to the guys doing the Captain America comic so they could show them how "real Nazis fought." In response to which, Jack just signed, rolled up his sleeves, and headed downstairs. By which time the wannabes had already bolted. Although technically I suppose that should go in the Badass thread.
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Evil Mastermind posted:(pre WW2) Nazi wannabes/sympathizers came into the Marvel offices
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theflyingorc posted:I'm confused by this sentence, it seems to imply marvel existed in the early 30s They did as Timely and it would have been late 30s as Captain America came out a year before Pearl Harbor.
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bobkatt013 posted:They did as Timely and it would have been late 30s as Captain America came out a year before Pearl Harbor. It looks like Cap existed for about 6 months before WWII "officially" started? It was just a weird way to describe the sequence of events and I'd like to understand the details better. 
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theflyingorc posted:Timely started in 1939. Cap appeared in December 40 and Pearl Harbor happened December 41 so it would have been a year before America got involved and there was the huge isolationist movement.
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It's entirely possible I'm mis-remembering the timeframe.
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bobkatt013 posted:It would have been a year before America got involved and there was the huge isolationist movement. Yeah but that's not what he said. Evil Mastermind posted:It's entirely possible I'm mis-remembering the timeframe. Well, if you figure it out I'd love to hear more details, because the details are about Jack Kirby beating up Nazis.
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theflyingorc posted:Yeah but that's not what he said. Here's a different, but also cool story about Captain America and real life Nazis
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theflyingorc posted:Yeah but that's not what he said. Sounds more like the details are about Nazis turning tail at the mere suggestion of having to fight Jack Kirby.
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theflyingorc posted:Well, if you figure it out I'd love to hear more details, because the details are about Jack Kirby beating up Nazis.
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Teenage Fansub posted:e: Might as well post the best character introduction in comics. Pretty sure there was a thought balloon above Kirby's head with Stan Lee's face leering at him when he wrote this.
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This was the only reference I could find to that story, and a bunch of tumblrs with the same text:http://www.poormojo.org/pmjadaily/archives/035855.php posted:Another time, Jack took a call. A voice on the other end said, ‘There are three of us down here in the lobby. We want to see the guy who does this disgusting comic book and show him what real Nazis would do to his Captain America’. To the horror of others in the office, Kirby rolled up his sleeves and headed downstairs. The callers, however, were gone by the time he arrived. — So there may be more details in the book Kirby: King of Comics, or that may be it. Timely did end up with police protection from Nazi sympathizers for a while, though: http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/08/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-93/
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Jack Kirby: more feared than Captain America.
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Phylodox posted:Jack Kirby: more feared than Captain America. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0pcChyV6o4
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Jack Kirby was Jewish and from the lower east side. He probably would have taken them.
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goatface posted:Jack Kirby was Jewish and from the lower east side. He probably would have taken them. now I'm imaging that Kirby said "It's Clobberin' Time!" on the way to beat up the Nazis. This pleases me.
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Jack Kirby not being able to actually punch Hitler in the jaw is one of history's greatest crimes.
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Sefer posted:This was the only reference I could find to that story, and a bunch of tumblrs with the same text: In the original broadcast of Turpin's funeral, they had background characters based on the other characters he created, including ones for Marvel. Which, I suppose, belongs in the Touching Moments thread.
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Ever lovin' brown eyed Kirb
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Evil Mastermind posted:Thanks, that was the quote I was thinking of. I just couldn't find it. It also ended with a dedication to Jack Kirby.
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I'd pay good money for a comic starring Jack Kirby as he travels the world, sighing, rolling up his sleeves, and punching Nazis in the face. Doubly so if his sidekick is the rock and roll wizard Jim Steranko. Evil Mastermind posted:Thanks, that was the quote I was thinking of. I just couldn't find it. *sniffle* Sorry, I, uh, must have something in my eye. ecavalli fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Aug 11, 2015 |
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Sizone posted:Black Racer Okay, he's good at super names. But if he had one fault, it was in naming civilian Aliases. "O' Ryan" "Ike Harris" he wasn't even trying.
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I think the nazi story is a exaggeration of what happened when the mafia showed up to extort Marvel in the 50's. The guy didn't run off from Kirby. At first. The legend I've heard is Kirby chased after him threatening him.
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I'm sure Jack ran off and beat up more than one rear end in a top hat in his time.
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Lurdiak posted:I'm sure Jack ran off and beat up more than one rear end in a top hat in his time. If only he did it to John Byrne.
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Bloodly posted:Beaten, battered, close to death, unable to draw on Light Side powers because it's outright blocked where he's at, and this was before there was any creed to spout to yourself. I remember that sequence. Sure, he got that sequence where he gatecrashed Ulic's trial before the Republic Senate. That was pretty cool.
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Evil Mastermind posted:I can't find the exact quote, but in Evainer's biography of Kirby he talks about how at one point some (pre WW2) Nazi wannabes/sympathizers came into the Marvel offices to talk to the guys doing the Captain America comic so they could show them how "real Nazis fought." In response to which, Jack just signed, rolled up his sleeves, and headed downstairs. By which time the wannabes had already bolted. In The Dreamer, one of Will Eisner's psuedo-autobiographical works, some mafia guys come into his studio for a shakedown and not-Kirby chases them off. I don't know if that was actually a true event, but it's true enough for me. 
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bobkatt013 posted:If only he did it to John Byrne. God'll let Byrne into heaven just so Jack can whup his rear end.
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So, mobster story was true?
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I'm not an expert but I don't think Jews believe in heaven.
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Lurdiak posted:I'm not an expert but I don't think Jews believe in heaven. Jesus might argue that point, and as we all know, he's canonically Kirby's son.
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Lurdiak posted:I'm not an expert but I don't think Jews believe in heaven.
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poo poo, I forgot that canonically Kirby is God.
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Evil Mastermind posted:I can't find the exact quote, but in Evainer's biography of Kirby he talks about how at one point some (pre WW2) Nazi wannabes/sympathizers came into the Marvel offices to talk to the guys doing the Captain America comic so they could show them how "real Nazis fought." In response to which, Jack just signed, rolled up his sleeves, and headed downstairs. By which time the wannabes had already bolted. So, I know he probably doesn't in reality. But I'm just going to imagine the reason Jack Kirby keeps drawing people more swole than He-Man was because his art style was based on himself.
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