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Quest For Glory II posted:She's a good character but the other characters all tug their collars endlessly going "HMMM WHAT TO SAY" and then at one point at the bar vincent says "i'd appreciate this advice if it came from an actual woman" to her It's pretty clear once you know the twist, but if you don't, again, I don't see why you would immediately assume trans stuff, or even take that moment particularly impactfully. Vincent largely dismisses Erica's opinions for a variety of reasons, and she's well-known by the group, so it just seemed like a classic "idiots don't listen to sensible character's advice" gag. Either way, I kind of dig it. Erica's existence in the plot is a really interesting one, and she's symbolically important as well as fictively.
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kaine is my waifu don't tell my girlfriend i'm into chicks w/ dicks (because she already knows  )
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Aug 13, 2015 02:05
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the guys in catherine are dicks but it makes sense because you're a big group of idiot friends e: even the calm and collected guy is kind of an idiot since his big inner turmoil is that he still has a crush on your girlfriend even though he never does or says anything about it in the real world unless you break up. it's a problem but hilariously small compared to everybody else's issues in the game Motto fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Aug 13, 2015 |
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Aug 13, 2015 02:15
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Aug 13, 2015 02:21
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i feel like Catherine was a not so subtle "guys are actually pathetic and suck" game which is confusing because the concept and box artwork was like a porn mag
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Aug 13, 2015 02:28
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It's not subtle in the slightest, no
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Aug 13, 2015 02:33
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isn't that what i said
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Yeah, we are agreeing together
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Aug 13, 2015 02:36
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now i want to replay Catherine because i don't feel right looking up endings on youtube and so i only saw one of them (the "holy poo poo you hosed up, you terrible rear end in a top hat" ending). time to hit the playstation store with no regard at all for the literal dozens of backlog games i have
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Aug 13, 2015 02:40
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I kind of wanted a game to unwind with, after getting really stressed out trying to beat Champion's Road in Mario 3D World. For whatever reason Environmental Station Alpha was the game I picked and boy was that not the right choice because these bosses are brutal.
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Cardboard Box A posted:Japan Indie Games Expo (a quarter are Tohou fangames, 1% are coming to Steam) random click on the time bar took me to a mech shmup at like 29 minutes looks ok
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Cardboard Box A posted:Japan Indie Games Expo (a quarter are Tohou fangames, 1% are coming to Steam) It's so weird to see an indie gaming scene that isn't 90% pixel platformers.
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precision posted:i feel like Catherine was a not so subtle "guys are actually pathetic and suck" game I'd argue Catherine's story has slightly more nuanced themes, but yes it does seem to portray all of its male characters as these emasculated dweebs. There's a lot of interesting images and themes in Catherine, and I think it, like all SMT games with good writing, excels in its portrayal of its side characters. You have a wide assortment of motley, crass characters who range the gamut of romantic issues, who don't really factor into the main plot, but become increasingly important as you progress in the game, and your failure or success in saving their lives is a great source of emotional investment in the story. The reason I like SMT games so much is because of the detail and attention paid to side characters and supplemental dialog. It's the truth!
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Aug 13, 2015 03:14
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Catherine also has some of the best voice acting ever done in a video game.
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precision posted:Catherine also has some of the best voice acting ever done in a video game. 
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honestly i would pay for a game that's entirely about shooting the poo poo with guys at the bar night after night and getting wasted for the sake of alcohol history lessons
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Motto posted:honestly i would pay for a game that's entirely about shooting the poo poo with guys at the bar night after night and getting wasted for the sake of alcohol history lessons this game in fact exists, i played it for most of my 20s. i don't think i ever beat it though, i can't remember.
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Quest For Glory II posted:She's a good character but the other characters all tug their collars endlessly going "HMMM WHAT TO SAY" and then at one point at the bar vincent says "i'd appreciate this advice if it came from an actual woman" to her they're all supposed to be assholes though
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precision posted:i feel like Catherine was a not so subtle "guys are actually pathetic and suck" game But guys are pathetic and suck. Source: Me, I'm a guy. Never got to play Catherine but I should remedy that.
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anybody know if tales of zestria has random battles? i'm about 75% of the way through hearts r now and its is kinda wearing outs its welcome for me with the frequency of boring fights but i kinda like it and would be willing to try zestria on ps4 this fall if its less annoying.
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Real hurthling! posted:anybody know if tales of zestria has random battles? i'm about 75% of the way through hearts r now and its is kinda wearing outs its welcome for me with the frequency of boring fights but i kinda like it and would be willing to try zestria on ps4 this fall if its less annoying. No they're all on the map like most Tales games. Apparently the camera is kind of iffy because there's no cutaway to a separate battle screen, you just fight them where they are and it's the first time Bamco has tried that.
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Sakurazuka posted:No they're all on the map like most Tales games. Apparently the camera is kind of iffy because there's no cutaway to a separate battle screen, you just fight them where they are and it's the first time Bamco has tried that. sounds good. is the battle system more interesting than hearts r? i feel like you can win basically any non boss fight by just tapping x and all the special moves and systems that the game spends forever telling you about just feel superfluous.
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No idea but that's been true of pretty much every Tales game, at least on the default difficulty, so I wouldn't put any money on it changing.
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Modern/post-modern, heh, make way for the VIDEOGAME era https://medium.com/ratafire-insights/why-modern-art-is-outdated-de256041c289      Main Paineframe posted:...the person who wrote the article about how "modern" art is the founder and ceo of a patreon clone, it's to her direct financial advantage to tell furry porn creators and people who make videogame music videos that they're making real art and that anyone who disagrees just doesn't get the new era of artistry. in that, as well as her other articles, she's trying to convince them that they're true artists who should openly sell their work (on her website) and that those old-fashioned art galleries who refused to show their masterpiece portrait of master chief sucking off sonic the hedgehog were just too obsolete to understand their brilliance 
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Figures it would feature games with lovely storylines. Except maybe The Witcher, haven't played that series.
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Finished Catherine, it was a good ride. I don't really get the context of the stabby dream and subsequent nightmare it didn't really seem to fit the game's overall explanation. I guess they just needed to crazy it up to make the player that much more interested in the game's core plot twist.
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Cardboard Box A posted:Modern/post-modern, heh, make way for the VIDEOGAME era That picture at the top of that article, I know that place, it's packed to the brim with hipsters and they do tons graffiti art around the area each week. It's actually kind of cool looking most of the time... BUT gently caress THAT poo poo LET'S GET MY CHAD THE BLOWHOG FANART PASTED ALL AROUND THE PUB.
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I really like Catherine and thought Erica owned.
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I finished MGS3. Killing The Boss felt horrible, and now I'm sitting here imagining a version of the Big Boss arc where she was the player character instead of 60's-snake. (Yes, I know that could never have happened because of the first two Metal Gear games, let me have this fantasy.) It also proves that Hideo Kojima can write women correctly, he simply chooses not to. And now, because I don't have a PSP or a PS3 to play MGS4 or Peace Walker on, all I can do is wait for The Phantom Pain. On that note, take a moment to imagine The Boss with one eye, a wrinkled face, and a cyborg super arm, sitting in the back of a helicopter and listening to Love Will Tear Us Apart while watching the sunset over Mother Base.
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Cyberbird posted:It also proves that Hideo Kojima can write women correctly, he simply chooses not to. He's a pretty masterful troll, and he knows his audience well. From that perspective, I have a hard time faulting most of the ridiculous excesses in the games. Boss was rad as hell and everyone loves her though, so there is that.
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I'm fine with most of them too. The foruth wall breaking, the anachronisms, the goofy recurring lines, Ocelot. But every game has that one love interest character and her writing, direction, and body language are always just so hypersexual and it skeezes me out pretty bad. I just sit there during each one of Those Scenes thinking "Literally no woman is like this outside of your imagination dude." I'm really hoping the fact that Snake is old as gently caress in MGS5 means there will be less of this. e: the best gag in the whole game was looking in your facepaint screen and going "Why the hell do I have a Raiden mask? He hasn't even been born!" and then having a very specific reason for it later. Cyberbird fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Aug 13, 2015 |
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I think the worst example of Kojima writing women was in MGS4, the end of Meryl's arc. That was a "I cannot believe this is really happening" moment, and it was really bad, no matter how many layers of irony or trolling went into it.. I heard that one of the side games adds a bunch of retcons to the Boss' characterization, which I guess makes sense considering the nonsense Big Boss spouts in MGS4 and how none of it has anything to do with what actually happened in MGS3. It's a shame, because I thought she was a really good character and didn't need to have more convoluted nonsense added to her motivations.
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All of the women in MGS own.
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Cyberbird posted:I'm fine with most of them too. The foruth wall breaking, the anachronisms, the goofy recurring lines, Ocelot. But every game has that one love interest character and her writing, direction, and body language are always just so hypersexual and it skeezes me out pretty bad. I just sit there during each one of Those Scenes thinking "Literally no woman is like this outside of your imagination dude." I'm really hoping the fact that Snake is old as gently caress in MGS5 means there will be less of this. you've totally missed the point of eva
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I've always seen it as Hideo loving loving movies and creating characters to be essentially movie tropes. Meryl: Strong woman falls in love with quirky hero with no sensible redeeming features, because he's the everyman hero. For a recent example, see Ant Man
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Sloppy Milkshake posted:you've totally missed the point of eva Every time I have even a small criticism of these games someone says something like this. Sorry I didn't enjoy the gleeful indulgence of straight boy fanservice? 
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Strong sexuality of a character and "fan service" are not the same thing.
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Lurdiak posted:I think the worst example of Kojima writing women was in MGS4, the end of Meryl's arc. That was a "I cannot believe this is really happening" moment, and it was really bad, no matter how many layers of irony or trolling went into it.. Accordion Man fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Aug 13, 2015 |
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Accordion Man posted:They didn't retcon anything, a major part of the post 3 games is that everyone that knew The Boss just either incorrectly assumed what she wanted or just dressed up what they personally wanted as what they claimed The Boss wanted. Big Boss himself is totally subject to this. It's the entire basis of Peace Walker and I assume it will continue in V and it's extremely cool.
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Cyberbird posted:Every time I have even a small criticism of these games someone says something like this. Sorry I didn't enjoy the gleeful indulgence of straight boy fanservice? This is a really lame evasion. 3 is a love letter to old spy stories (which should be obvious if you talked to zero like at all) and Eva is a classic honey trap. Every time she uses her sexuality (in a way that you, personally, have decided is "literally no woman is like this") it's to distract from something. "I need to do some real crazy super triple cross bullshit for the chinese philosophers that involves backstabbing: the greatest soldier that ever lived, her disciples, a pyscho that shoots lighting and is powerful enough to take over the USSR, and the american intelligence community all at once? Better get in good with this old idiot that's making an idiot rocket tank", "Oh this loving virgin i'm messing with is still asking questions after I saved his life, better show him that i'm wearing the a swimsuit under this onesie", "Ugh this idiot virgin is still following me around, better pretend we're gonna do it and then drug him." A character being titillating to a segment of the population that is different than you doesn't make it bad. Eva serves an important purpose in that story, in fact the entire last half hinges on her and her actions. It works because everyone she interacts is either an idiot (Big Boss), doing some related super triple cross bullshit (The Boss), or completely dismissive to women generally (Volgin). As a spy literally trained from birth, she's adept at using any advantage she can get to manipulate situations to her benefit.
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