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pathetic little tramp posted:Well Carson was #2 in the polls, but we all knew that had to end. Just didn't think it'd be this fast. Yeah the right wing sphere is full of negative articles on Carson and Trump at the present. The Trump ones aren't sticking so well, but the Carson ones look like they're getting traction, and in the next debate watch for someone to throw this in his face. EDIT: Just to add, if they take out Carson most of his support will trickle to Cruz, or Trump. If/When Trump flames out I believe Cruz will be positioned as the "Anti-Establishment guy" polling around 30%... Montasque fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Aug 13, 2015 |
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pathetic little tramp posted:Well Carson was #2 in the polls, but we all knew that had to end. Just didn't think it'd be this fast. I think he'll be able to flip this. He'll claim that he was simply on that paper in an advisory capacity, and due to his experience with it he knows 100% how useless fetal tissue research is. It will end up bolstering his argument. This assumes he's a decent politician, though. If he fumbles a response to this then it could sink him. It doesn't have to automatically sink him, though. What would sink him is if he says, "it was just once," but then people find a handful more.
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XK posted:In 2012, there was no clear good choice, but Romney was the reasonably acceptable default choice. They tried out every other possible option, they were all terrible, and had to fall back to him. The same situation exists now, except there is no reasonably acceptable default choice, there's only the "gently caress the rest of you" choice of Trump. In 2012, no one was excited about or wanted to vote for Romney. I have no doubt that Trump's supporters are not only excited about his candidacy, but can't wait to vote for him, and I don't doubt he is winning over more voters every time he opens his big fat mouth. If he has any chance of holding on to the lead and winning the nomination, it will because of that energy. I think when Ben Carson flames out, his support will go to mostly Trump, because I can't really understand his appeal. Watching him talk at the debate was a snoozefest, and the only thing I can think of is that him, Fiorina and Trump are the only ones who can truly claim to not be career politicians and outsiders, and Trump is by far the best at it.
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ErIog posted:I think he'll be able to flip this. He'll claim that he was simply on that paper in an advisory capacity, and due to his experience with it he knows 100% how useless fetal tissue research is. It will end up bolstering his argument. He's not gonna flip poo poo. His "supporters" are loving crazy evangelicals, and they're gonna spend the next week pounding Dr Abortion into the ground.
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pathetic little tramp posted:Well Carson was #2 in the polls, but we all knew that had to end. Just didn't think it'd be this fast. Can't wait to visit my friend and see if his hugely anti-abortion wife has done anything with those stacks of Run Ben Run! materials.
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Aug 13, 2015 19:01
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#FatLivesMatter http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/conservatives-fall-in-love-with-texas-cop-who-said-black-lives-matter-is-a-hate-group-no-different-than-kkk/
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Holyshoot posted:So just because something terrible happened at the same time as a politician enjoying some R&R they are evil? The gently caress?!?! It's a well-worn cliché at this point. Remember this? 
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ErIog posted:I think he'll be able to flip this. He'll claim that he was simply on that paper in an advisory capacity, and due to his experience with it he knows 100% how useless fetal tissue research is. It will end up bolstering his argument. You're talking as if he hasn't already responded. From that same link: quote:Carson offered an explanation to The Washington Post of how his work was totally consistent with his pro-life beliefs — but at the same time, it really reads like a much-needed lecture to the public about the vital need for fetal tissue research.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:He's not gonna flip poo poo. His "supporters" are loving crazy evangelicals, and they're gonna spend the next week pounding Dr Abortion into the ground. My family are these people. You underestimate how much they love Carson. My point is kind of moot, though, because he's giving honest answers instead of politic answers. So yeah, he's done. quote:"You have to look at the intent," Carson told The Washington Post's Dave Weigel before he began a campaign swing through New Hampshire. "To willfully ignore evidence that you have for some ideological reason is wrong. If you’re killing babies and taking the tissue, that’s a very different thing than taking a dead specimen and keeping a record of it." This refusal to support bans on fetal tissue research and him giving a mealy-mouthed defense of his own use of fetal tissue is what's going to sink him. The fact that he did the research wouldn't have sunk him if he had any political skills.
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He's a doctor, I guess the one thing he can't compromise his ethics on is something medical.
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Republicans on their way out soon: Ben Carson Rick Perry Rand Paul(?) who else?
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MrBims posted:Republicans on their way out soon: Jim Gilmore Rick Santorum George Pataki I think Carson might stick around for a few more debates. comedy option: Lincoln Chaffee
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I'm thinkin' it's going to come down to Trump, Rubio, Cruz, and Jeb! Rubio ultimately takes the nomination
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The Nastier Nate posted:Jim Gilmore Arguably they were never really in.
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So some time next month the republican field will be 12-14 white guys with different flavours of horrible, 1 failed business woman and the most luxurious, yoogest Donald "Offend everyone" Trump?
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JT Jag posted:He's a doctor, I guess the one thing he can't compromise his ethics on is something medical. I think in his view he has never compromised his ethics because he believes, reasonably, that he didn't perform the abortion himself so god would probably be okay with conducting research on the fetal tissue in order to try to do something positive with it. There's no room for things like "reason" in the GOP primary, though, so he's gonna get hosed unless he starts to give political answers instead of real answers. He's mostly a normal guy who let the moment get the better of him at the Prayer Breakfast a few years ago, and then had legions of people screaming at him to run for office since then. He seems like a nice man with dumb political beliefs that doesn't understand that it's going to be very difficult for him to square his nuanced medical background with the GOP primary clownshow. He's just too gosh darn earnest. People say they want an outsider, but it turns out that outsiders get torn to shreds since they don't understand the game. Carson is a true outsider, and his political advisers, provided they exist, should be on suicide watch. ErIog fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Aug 13, 2015 |
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Der Kyhe posted:So some time next month the republican field will be 12-14 white guys with different flavours of horrible, 1 failed business woman and the most luxurious, yoogest "Offend everyone" Donald "Please don't feel so stupid or insecure" Trump? If there is a kind and loving god. hail satan
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Arguably they were never really in. That's what they said about Carly Fiorinia and look at her now - soaring into the limelight with 3.5%!
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Will Carson crashing and burning lead the other campaigns to prop up Fiorina harder? It seems like a necessity to keep the field looking diverse.
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Der Kyhe posted:So some time next month the republican field will be 12-14 white guys with different flavours of horrible, 1 failed business woman and the most luxurious, yoogest Donald "Offend everyone" Trump? Is hitting the republicans for running too many white people really the play here guys? (btw you glossed over a latino and an indian as "white", well done)
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Is hitting the republicans for running too many white people really the play here guys? lmao you think jindal is staying in
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Montasque posted:Yeah the right wing sphere is full of negative articles on Carson and Trump at the present. The Trump ones aren't sticking so well, but the Carson ones look like they're getting traction, and in the next debate watch for someone to throw this in his face. As with every major black politician in the GOP, they're just waiting for the first *not racist* reason to drop them.
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Abner Cadaver II posted:lmao you think jindal is staying in i seriously forgot he was running
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This is the most attention anyone has paid to Bobby Jindal in months.
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The Lord of Hats posted:Will Carson crashing and burning lead the other campaigns to prop up Fiorina harder? It seems like a necessity to keep the field looking diverse. Magic 8-ball says yes. Fiormentum has begun.
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If only we could capture some of the rich ethnic tapestry that comprise the democratic primary candidates.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:If only we could capture some of the rich ethnic tapestry that comprise the democratic primary candidates. man you guys are really desperate for your own obama
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The Lord of Hats posted:Will Carson crashing and burning lead the other campaigns to prop up Fiorina harder? It seems like a necessity to keep the field looking diverse. There's only so much they can do to help her. If the voters turn on her she's done. Prediction: By the next debate Walker, Rubio and Trump will be the 3 main contenders with about 60% combined in the polls. Jeb! and cruz with 10% each and the other 20 spread out between 5 or 6 random losers. The other 5 or 6 losers having quit, like losers.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Is hitting the republicans for running too many white people really the play here guys? Wow somebody here has nt seen the official bobby jindal portrait
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I think some posters in this thread are forgetting about a little thing called Kasicceleration
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bpower posted:There's only so much they can do to help her. If the voters turn on her she's done. That might be what the field looks like 6 months from now, but the next debate is only a month away. It looks like they're overtly putting pressure on Jim Gilmore to drop out, and Carson may just give up soon, but I doubt anyone else will have dropped out by then. VV Edit: He the best compromise candidate between the establishment and the crazies, and the Koch brothers have pledged to spend $500mil if he gets the nod. Basically the establishment has to prop up someone who isn't complete anathema to the base as a top-tier contender, or risk exposing the primary process for the farce it is. Random Asshole fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Aug 13, 2015 |
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Wasn't all the post-debate coverage of Walker negative? Doesn't seem like anyone is pushing him particularly hard and that Rubio/Jeb!/Trump have a much better chance of being on top for the long-term. Doesn't help that his state is hosed and he's still the governor, while Kasich is doing fine.
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Yes, you're correct of course. My imagination ran on a bit there.
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Sir Tonk posted:Wasn't all the post-debate coverage of Walker negative? Doesn't seem like anyone is pushing him particularly hard and that Rubio/Jeb!/Trump have a much better chance of being on top for the long-term. Generally, yeah, the post-debate consensus was that Walker didn't do all that great.
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Kasich is hilarious. It feels like he's a time traveler from a different primary year. Huntsman had a similar feel.
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euphronius posted:When is New Hampshire this cycle. february 9th, second one after iowa as usual
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Is hitting the republicans for running too many white people really the play here guys? Rubio is really white though, and there is palatable animosity between Cuban-Americans and other Latinos precisely because of their white supremacist undertones.
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Abner Cadaver II posted:february 9th, second one after iowa as usual Dear god we have five and a half months to go.
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