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Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

XMNN posted:

Is there any better way to show respect for the word of God than by printing it on millions of disposable fast food wrappers?

toilet paper

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Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



PittTheElder posted:

Has anyone here ever eaten horse? I've heard it's kinda gross anyway.

I eat it from time to time. Why on earth would it be gross? It's actually similar to beef both in taste and in the sense that a lot depends on the quality, preparation and seasoning. So if you ever get the chance to try a horse steak at a good steakhouse, go for it, it can be delicious.

Frostwerks
Sep 24, 2007

by Lowtax

Hogge Wild posted:

US didn't. They just cut diplomatic relations in -44. The person who made the map probably didn't know about it, or then he's thinking about the Great Northern War where modern US was part of UK and modern Finland was part of Sweden.

-44 = 44 bc right?

a very nice paella
Oct 12, 2012

Kapitalism

Kopijeger posted:

So occupied, in fact, that the occupiers even provided them with military equipment:



Seriously, they had a common enemy, allowed German units to operate on their territory and coordinated their military actions with each other. That is an alliance, not an occupation.

Fun fact: Three Finnish citizens of Jewish ethnicity are known to have been awarded the Iron Cross for services rendered in aid of the German armed forces. All of them refused the award.

The swastika had been the insignia of the Finnish air force since 1918, 2 yeas before the German nazi party adopted it.

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

Krokerik posted:

The swastika had been the insignia of the Finnish air force since 1918, 2 yeas before the German nazi party adopted it.

The evidence of the Finnish-German alliance is the German-manufactured Stug and Bf109 in Finnish service, not the Swastika.


btw, nobody implies the Finland was a Nazi state, they kept an arms-length alliance to fight the Soviets.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

There are probably more nazis in Finland now than then :can:

Kopijeger
Feb 14, 2010

Krokerik posted:

The swastika had been the insignia of the Finnish air force since 1918, 2 yeas before the German nazi party adopted it.

Note that I wrote "equipment", not "emblems". I know perfectly well that the Von Rosen cross is unrelated to the NSDAP emblem. The point was that the German government wouldn't have provided assault guns, tanks and fighters to an occupied country.

Kopijeger fucked around with this message at 08:28 on Aug 13, 2015

Molentik
Apr 30, 2013

To be fair, they did kick them out later.



"as a thanks for not demonstrating a brotherhood of arms".

Ghost of Mussolini
Jun 26, 2011

Molentik posted:

To be fair, they did kick them out later.

To be fair, they may have needed some slight convincing.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
Fun fact, our war against Nazis running away in the north is the only war Finland has won as an independent nation.

Seriously, Finland's story in WWII is all magnificent bastardy and backstabbing, I don't know where we got the reputation of being honest.

Hogge Wild
Aug 21, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Pillbug

DarkCrawler posted:

Fun fact, our war against Nazis running away in the north is the only war Finland has won as an independent nation.

Seriously, Finland's story in WWII is all magnificent bastardy and backstabbing, I don't know where we got the reputation of being honest.

Finland also won the war against the working class in 1918.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Hogge Wild posted:

Finland also won the war against the working class in 1918.

I thought that was Germany

khwarezm
Oct 26, 2010

Deal with it.

Count Roland posted:

Uhhhh yeah.

When was the US at war with Thailand?

e: Horse is ok, nothing special.

Thailand was allied with Japan in WW2. Not because they were particularly into it mind you, they were surrounded by the Japanese as all of the colonies in Southeast Asia fell to them and strong-armed into an alliance.

Chemtrailologist
Jul 8, 2007
If I'm remembering it right, Thailand declared war on the US but the US didn't respond which is pretty funny.

I'm assuming Somalia on that map is for the whole 1993 thing. Seems like another big gray area.

I guess Afghanistan isn't labelled because only two other countries recognized the Taliban as the legitimate rulers.

Chemtrailologist fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Aug 13, 2015

majormonotone
Jan 25, 2013

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

What do Canadians say when they make up girlfriends? "Oh, I have a girlfriend, she lives in… uh… gently caress."

davebo
Nov 15, 2006

Parallel lines do meet, but they do it incognito
College Slice

TinTower posted:

What do Canadians say when they make up girlfriends? "Oh, I have a girlfriend, she lives in… uh… gently caress."

Greenland.

ZShakespeare
Jul 20, 2003

War gives the right to the conquerors to impose any condition they please upon the vanquished.
Didn't Finland switch allegiances two or three times depending on who was not fighting the soviets at the given time?

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Freedom for Quebec, or death!

(Death delivered by Russian thermonuclear missiles TM)

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

ZShakespeare posted:

Didn't Finland switch allegiances two or three times depending on who was not fighting the soviets at the given time?

They did, and ultimately they slipped out of the war with no repercussions.

And even during the Cold War "Finlandization" became the term for describing a country sucking the dick of the superpower that currently had the most influence in the neighbourhood.

In short, the Finns are the ultimate opportunists of the word. Though to be honest they managed to turn this into some good things, such as the 70's Helsinki declaration, as well as several latter Helsinki summits.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

davebo posted:

In and Out is the one that puts bible passages on their wrappers and cups right? I had never been until a friend insisted we go to one while in Vegas and their fries were pretty mediocre.

No one goes to In-N-Out for their fries. No one.

(okay maybe for animal-style but even then...)

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


ComradeCosmobot posted:

No one goes to In-N-Out for their fries. No one.

(okay maybe for animal-style but even then...)

I'd go for anything if it was served animal-style.

Edible Hat
Jul 23, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

steinrokkan posted:

They did, and ultimately they slipped out of the war with no repercussions.

And even during the Cold War "Finlandization" became the term for describing a country sucking the dick of the superpower that currently had the most influence in the neighbourhood.

In short, the Finns are the ultimate opportunists of the word. Though to be honest they managed to turn this into some good things, such as the 70's Helsinki declaration, as well as several latter Helsinki summits.

I'm not sure Finland suffered no repercussions.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
Finland and Germany were co-belligerents.

European countries that were allies of the Reich in order of most compromised to least compromised
(Not including countries they made up like Pavelic's Croatia or the Slovak State)

Vichy France
Hungary
Romania
Finland
Bulgaria
Yugoslavia

Course that list should include the USSR but it's hard to place.

What I really don't get about that map is why Slovenia is not on there? It was part of Austria-Hungary and at least some of it was an annexed part of the Reich. They even had their own little home guard in WW2 that got more and more deep into the poo poo with the Nazis and then all got murdered by Tito.

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013


Is anyone actually calling for this now? I looked briefly but only saw mention of it from 3 years ago.

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012



Likelihood of dying of injury.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



After the successful invasion of their country, probably a majority of the French population thought a German victory in the war was inevitable and that the Vichy regime would at least manage to safeguard some French sovereignty. It was widely accepted by at least the right wing as the legitimate continuation of the pre-war regime. There was little popular resistance even in the occupied part of France until Germany invaded the Soviet Union and the communists started stirring things up. The Free French forces, being non-communist patriots dedicated to fighting Germany, were initially a handful of idealists that lacked widespread support and couldn't even get the majority of French colonies on their side.

All of this is fairly understandable given the circumstances, but it is questionable that they present themselves as one of the 'victors' of WWII. Basically, if not for Charles de Gaulle, France would be viewed as an Axis country. That's the main reason he has near-godlike status in France.

SaltyJesus
Jun 2, 2011

Arf!

cheerfullydrab posted:

Finland and Germany were co-belligerents.

European countries that were allies of the Reich in order of most compromised to least compromised
(Not including countries they made up like Pavelic's Croatia or the Slovak State)

Vichy France
Hungary
Romania
Finland
Bulgaria
Yugoslavia

Course that list should include the USSR but it's hard to place.

What I really don't get about that map is why Slovenia is not on there? It was part of Austria-Hungary and at least some of it was an annexed part of the Reich. They even had their own little home guard in WW2 that got more and more deep into the poo poo with the Nazis and then all got murdered by Tito.

What are you referring to with Yugoslavia there? Nedić's Serbia was much more of a "made up country" than NDH. Yugoslavia was on the right side from the very start to the bitter end of the war, even the loving Chetniks were anti-Axis despite their later tendency of tenuous collaboration when it helped them kill communists and other ethnicities, and even so there were some serious splits within 'em. On the other hand the Yugoslav partisans were the most organized resistance movement in WWII, making the French look like a joke.

e: even if Chetniks were unquestionably axis allies I cannot see how you can claim they somehow represent all of Yugoslavia was Reich allied

e2: oh, are you referring to us signing the Tripartite act? because a coup annulled that literally 2 days after it was signed.

SaltyJesus fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Aug 14, 2015

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009

Jaramin posted:


Countries the United States has been at war with at least once.


Countries the United States has been allied with in at least one war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYiOCctlPR0

doverhog
May 31, 2013

Defender of democracy and human rights 🇺🇦

steinrokkan posted:

They did, and ultimately they slipped out of the war with no repercussions.

In short, the Finns are the ultimate opportunists of the word.

There were 100k dead. Loss of land which included Viipuri, Finland's second largest city at the time. 300 000 000 dollars (of the time) worth of war reparations, which Finland actually payed. Took up to 16% of the budged for years. No repercussions, sure.

If "opportunism" is doing whatever you can not to be occupied by the Soviet Union it sounds like a pretty good policy.

Glah
Jun 21, 2005

cheerfullydrab posted:

Finland and Germany were co-belligerents.

Co-belligerent was a wartime propaganda term used in Finland during the war to try smooth things over with western allies and after war in more nationalistic histography meant to distance Finland from German atrocities and war aims.

Finland was allied with Germany during 41 - 44. There were some 200 000 German troops in Lapland that co-operated with Finnish military and protected the northern front, Finland imported war material and food stuffs from Germany and atleast until Stalingrad higher echelons were betting on German victory in east and the formation of Greater Finland on the ruins of SU.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Afghanistan :smuggo:

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Phlegmish posted:

Basically, if not for Charles de Gaulle, France would be viewed as an Axis country.
From the number of FN posters around the place last time I went there, I'm surprised people still don't :v:

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


France seems to like its popular generals swooping in to save the hilariously broken political system from itself. Bonus points if they're not even very good generals

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.




Grimey Drawer

HookShot posted:

Yeah, McDonalds tastes pretty universally the same everywhere.

And by everywhere I mean western Europe, Japan, Australia and North America.

A lot of the American smaller burger chains are pretty good. I like Five Guys and Fatburger. I'd like to go to an In and Out one day. Of the big chains Dairy Queen make the best burgers though.

This is a few days old, but I have to comment on this. A few years ago Japan (and much of Asia) did a promotion item called "shaka shaka chicken" which was the best fast food thing I've ever tasted. If anyone can tell me where I can find some now, I would be thrilled, because it was really loving good. McDonalds and others overseas are, in my experience, a little better in quality than the US but still not worth it.

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
Not sure I'd eat something called shaka shaka chicken.

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:



Likelihood of dying of injury.

Syria is the same as western europe, a reliable map.

khwarezm
Oct 26, 2010

Deal with it.

Count Roland posted:

Syria is the same as western europe, a reliable map.


Maybe it predates 2011?

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

SaltyJesus posted:

What are you referring to with Yugoslavia there? Nedić's Serbia was much more of a "made up country" than NDH. Yugoslavia was on the right side from the very start to the bitter end of the war, even the loving Chetniks were anti-Axis despite their later tendency of tenuous collaboration when it helped them kill communists and other ethnicities, and even so there were some serious splits within 'em. On the other hand the Yugoslav partisans were the most organized resistance movement in WWII, making the French look like a joke.

e: even if Chetniks were unquestionably axis allies I cannot see how you can claim they somehow represent all of Yugoslavia was Reich allied

e2: oh, are you referring to us signing the Tripartite act? because a coup annulled that literally 2 days after it was signed.

I am referring to Prince Paul signing on to the Axis and immediately getting overthrown. He got a pretty good deal, no movement of Reich troops through Yugoslavia at all, which is why I put Yugoslavia down as least compromised.

Also I understand the NDH was less of a made-up state than Nedic's Serbia, but its borders were pretty ridiculous and it couldn't stand on its own.

I could talk about these things for days, WWII Yugoslavia was such a ridiculous fractal of horribleness and it took me years to get everything straight, from the Domobranci to the partisan war against the Italians in Montenegro and everything in between.

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steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

doverhog posted:

There were 100k dead. Loss of land which included Viipuri, Finland's second largest city at the time. 300 000 000 dollars (of the time) worth of war reparations, which Finland actually payed. Took up to 16% of the budged for years. No repercussions, sure.

If "opportunism" is doing whatever you can not to be occupied by the Soviet Union it sounds like a pretty good policy.

Ultimately that's very little for for a belligerent country of the WWII, especially one that had the bright idea of invading the USSR like a champ.


Phlegmish posted:

After the successful invasion of their country, probably a majority of the French population thought a German victory in the war was inevitable and that the Vichy regime would at least manage to safeguard some French sovereignty. It was widely accepted by at least the right wing as the legitimate continuation of the pre-war regime. There was little popular resistance even in the occupied part of France until Germany invaded the Soviet Union and the communists started stirring things up. The Free French forces, being non-communist patriots dedicated to fighting Germany, were initially a handful of idealists that lacked widespread support and couldn't even get the majority of French colonies on their side.

All of this is fairly understandable given the circumstances, but it is questionable that they present themselves as one of the 'victors' of WWII. Basically, if not for Charles de Gaulle, France would be viewed as an Axis country. That's the main reason he has near-godlike status in France.
What about the Polish, were they a victorious nation, or a defeated nation, or what?

Also this idea that the Communist underground was happy to stay passive under Nazi rule under 1941 is a myth that has been thotoughly debunked. The Communists were purged as much as any other politically dangerous group in the Third Reich, and their lack of apparent activity was the product of loyalty to Stalin's doctrine of fighting fascism, not of localized cowardry.

steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Aug 15, 2015

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