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New Leaf posted:Thanks guys. The last saga from DB establishes this pretty well. It's weird if you ignore that, but it all makes sense if you connect those two.
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New Leaf posted:Thanks guys. No, he totally would take over the world if it wasn't for Gohan. You should see him in DB. Thing is, he knows Goku would just break his face in so he needed to grow his strength.
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New Leaf posted:Thanks guys. I think you mean "meditating" 
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Aug 14, 2015 13:47
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Farecoal posted:I think you mean "meditating" I think you mean "napping". sick reference secured we did it guys
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Aug 14, 2015 13:48
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Is Chioutzu even friends with Goku & co? I like to imagine him as a +1 that no-one in the group really likes but just sorta puts up with cos he's always hanging around with Tien, and every time they're left alone with him there's a bunch of long silences and awkward chitchat because nobody's ever spent time with him and found out what his deal is. "So, uh........ what's Crane school up to these days? "  "....not much"
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Aug 14, 2015 13:51
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I think it would be funny if it turned out he was the ultimate evil in the universe and Tien stopped him from blowing up existence by pretending to be his friend.
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Aug 14, 2015 14:04
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Enourmo posted:It's been eons since I read DB but before Z started Goku was I think the only one who could sense ki cause he drank the magic power up water or whatever. Then he died and saiyans happened and Toriyama just was just like "whatever all the main characters can do it now except bulma or w/e". Yeah it's this. I don't remember if anyone else ever actually drinks the real water. I assume the rest of the Z fighters learned it from Kami, in the same way Gohan learned from Piccolo. I always thought Roshi just picked up the skill from observing his students, he always seemed pretty on the ball to me. When fighting Piccolo you can take Goku flying one of two ways, he either kept it secret until the last possible moment as a trump card, or he just didn't know and literally developed the ability in the fight. I always thought it was the second myself. I think on Namek he even asks Freeza to fight on the ground, since he's not as good at flying and Freeza has the advantage there.
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Prison Warden posted:Yeah it's this. I don't remember if anyone else ever actually drinks the real water. I assume the rest of the Z fighters learned it from Kami, in the same way Gohan learned from Piccolo. I always thought Roshi just picked up the skill from observing his students, he always seemed pretty on the ball to me. Makes sense. I don't know why every Z fighter wouldn't go through the exact same training as Goku did before he went completely off the rails into Saiyan craziness. If I could re-write the show, Krillin getting Guru's boost would give him a natural edge for future fights, plus the others who died to the Saiyans would get Kaioken from King Kai instead of getting ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. That way it would keep them all useful.
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Aug 14, 2015 14:13
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Goku is an rear end in a top hat that likes keeping everything he learns to himself. He never told anyone how he got to SSJ3, he never taught anyone to teleport, even after training with them for like 5 years straight, and he never taught anyone kaioken either.
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Aug 14, 2015 14:25
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New Leaf posted:Makes sense. I don't know why every Z fighter wouldn't go through the exact same training as Goku did before he went completely off the rails into Saiyan craziness. If I could re-write the show, Krillin getting Guru's boost would give him a natural edge for future fights, plus the others who died to the Saiyans would get Kaioken from King Kai instead of getting ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. That way it would keep them all useful. The funny thing is, that's exactly what happened at first. They trained with Kami in order to catch up to/exceed the level Goku was at during the Raditz fight. Then the idea of a zenkai was introduced after the Vegeta fight and the others had no chance of catching up ever again.
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Aug 14, 2015 14:27
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This is one of those things that make people say that Dragonball is all-round a better written story than DBZ. Pretty much all the stables, flying, ki beams, sensing energy, were introduced as a martial arts technique you could learn through training and dedication. And that informed the writing a lot. Like, that Chiaotzu and Tenshinhan could hover and use telekinesis made them out to be two major badasses, even before they ever threw a punch. Or when when Krillin revealed that he thought himself how to fly. He didn't actually need to fight a villain or anything, simply the fact that he was able to teach himself such a complicated technique was more that enough to show that he was on level.
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Aug 14, 2015 14:41
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sharktamer posted:How did that lovely last episode not even show what Fat Beerus is up to? He's the one thing in this dumb series that's different and by extension the only thing of any interest. I rather they just burn through this poo poo as quickly as possible than have splashes of pointless new content in every episode
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Aug 14, 2015 14:45
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e X posted:This is one of those things that make people say that Dragonball is all-round a better written story than DBZ. Pretty much all the stables, flying, ki beams, sensing energy, were introduced as a martial arts technique you could learn through training and dedication. And that informed the writing a lot. Like, that Chiaotzu and Tenshinhan could hover and use telekinesis made them out to be two major badasses, even before they ever threw a punch. Or when when Krillin revealed that he thought himself how to fly. He didn't actually need to fight a villain or anything, simply the fact that he was able to teach himself such a complicated technique was more that enough to show that he was on level. Videl learned it in minutes with little prior ki training.
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Aug 14, 2015 14:46
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e X posted:This is one of those things that make people say that Dragonball is all-round a better written story than DBZ. Pretty much all the stables, flying, ki beams, sensing energy, were introduced as a martial arts technique you could learn through training and dedication. And that informed the writing a lot. Like, that Chiaotzu and Tenshinhan could hover and use telekinesis made them out to be two major badasses, even before they ever threw a punch. Or when when Krillin revealed that he thought himself how to fly. He didn't actually need to fight a villain or anything, simply the fact that he was able to teach himself such a complicated technique was more that enough to show that he was on level. None of that has to do with quality of writing tho. That is just power creep.
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Aug 14, 2015 14:47
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Covok posted:Videl learned it in minutes with little prior ki training. I thought it took her multiple lessons with Gohan just to sense ki.
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Aug 14, 2015 14:50
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Covok posted:Videl learned it in minutes with little prior ki training. Eh, It took her like a week to train to be able to manipulate and sense Ki. And even then when she stopped training with Gohan she could only like hover IIRC. She spent the rest of the time leading up to the Tournament by herself training to actually have any mobility in the air.
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Aug 14, 2015 14:53
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Videl was a case of someone showing her what she didn't know she already had. The others had to pick it up on their own.
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Aug 14, 2015 15:06
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e X posted:This is one of those things that make people say that Dragonball is all-round a better written story than DBZ. Pretty much all the stables, flying, ki beams, sensing energy, were introduced as a martial arts technique you could learn through training and dedication. And that informed the writing a lot. Like, that Chiaotzu and Tenshinhan could hover and use telekinesis made them out to be two major badasses, even before they ever threw a punch. Or when when Krillin revealed that he thought himself how to fly. He didn't actually need to fight a villain or anything, simply the fact that he was able to teach himself such a complicated technique was more that enough to show that he was on level. Any point you might've made there was lost when you called Chiaotzu a major badass, to be honest.
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Aug 14, 2015 15:59
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Blaze Dragon posted:Any point you might've made there was lost when you called Chiaotzu a major badass, to be honest. He was kind of cool when he first showed up honestly, or at least I thought so. Major badass? No. Goku had no need to teach anyone else his techniques. He learned them himself, so why couldn't the others pull themselves up by their bootstraps and learn it themselves? King Kai probably dubbed the others unworthy of the kaioken (DBZA nailed this point pretty well). As for teaching them to help out in battles? Meh, Goku always had everything under control anyway
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Aug 14, 2015 16:51
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Goku always had everything under control!   
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Aug 14, 2015 16:57
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Don't forget the time he burned out his time on Earth and had to sit around on the god's planet a.k.a the sidelines.
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Aug 14, 2015 17:09
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I still think it's hilarious Goku's ultimate fate was to die of loving heart disease.
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HD DAD posted:I still think it's hilarious Goku's ultimate fate was to die of loving heart disease. The man love his bacon.
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Aug 14, 2015 17:31
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With how he eats, it wasn't a surprise to anyone. I wonder if this was meant as a joke by Toriyama.
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Aug 14, 2015 17:34
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Covok posted:Don't forget the time he burned out his time on Earth and had to sit around on the god's planet a.k.a the sidelines. Hey now, that time he tried to teach them but they're too stupid.
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Aug 14, 2015 17:42
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Only reason he taught anyone fusion was because it was impossible to do solo.
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Aug 14, 2015 18:21
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Goku cant teach anyone poo poo because hes an idiot and a terrible teacher and basically a prodigy. It comes naturally to him. He can literally teleport instantaneously to anywhere in the galaxy and he hasnt taught anyone. Not even Whis, the strongest person in the universe, can teleport and Goku is too dumb to teach people.
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Aug 14, 2015 18:38
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Tbf, Whis can probably find yadrat
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Aug 14, 2015 18:49
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Baal posted:Tbf, Whis can probably find yadrat Yeah, but it would probably take him an hour to get there and do you think they have any food worth his time?
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Covok posted:With how he eats, it wasn't a surprise to anyone. I wonder if this was meant as a joke by Toriyama. Wasn't it a heart "virus"?
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Aug 14, 2015 18:57
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havenwaters posted:The man love his bacon. goku was at like 8% bodyfat, he was burning that poo poo off with his workouts . There's no way those arteries were clogged.
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Aug 14, 2015 19:06
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ImpAtom posted:Goku always had everything under control! Hmm goku's side still one all those battles
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Aug 14, 2015 20:05
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facebook jihad posted:Hmm goku's side still one all those battles After people other than Goku fixed things.
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Aug 14, 2015 20:08
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facebook jihad posted:Hmm goku's side still one all those battles Because someone helped out in battle. 
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Aug 14, 2015 20:13
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That's because if they didn't win, there would no longer be a show.
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Aug 14, 2015 20:16
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Farecoal posted:Wasn't it a heart "virus"? A heart virus accelerated by going Super saiyen.
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Aug 14, 2015 20:54
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im still really pissed that cell was able to make cell jrs who were stronger than vegeta and trunks and about equal with goku
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Aug 14, 2015 21:16
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Cell just did mitosis and in theory could make a double of himself.
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tbp posted:im still really pissed that cell was able to make cell jrs who were stronger than vegeta and trunks and about equal with goku I dunno if they were equal with Goku, he was pretty tired.
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With regards to the kaioken I thought it was actually super dangerous and Goku basically was killing himself using it, it's just that between the Saiyan zenkai poo poo and senzus/bacta tanks this was actually kind of a plus, not a minus? Whereas Krillin might me able to do Kaioken x2 and then try Kaioken x3 and immediately explode.
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