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bobkatt013 posted:Mark A. Sheppard is another one. If you want to see Mark Pellegrino take a look at No Holds Barred. There's yet another Lost connection I can think of(other than the multiple appearances by Terry O'Quinn), Titus Welliver shows up in the Season 1 episode "Darkness Falls" playing an eco-terrorist.
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Nouvelle Vague posted:Doesn't she have no eggs? bobkatt013 posted:Which is crazy as it was revealed that she could not get pregnant and it was using the Ova that they found in season 4. esperterra posted:Which was silly since they were already loving before season 8 so really it should have been nbd, shippers already got their fix mang. Yes, she had no eggs. But she also says that she can't explain how she got pregnant during the season 7 finale. And you are expecting the shipping thing to make sense. For fun, and inspired by Kumail, here are some of the x files discussions of the time per manun aired: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.tv.x-files/Fcpbm5OlNvo https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.tv.x-files/LM_I4NCek4g[1-25] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.tv.x-files/U9lVKs3rPmg https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.tv.x-files/ygqO5B7rFqA "we got a semi kiss" edit: for some reason the links are directing to specific posts. Click on expand all to see the entire discussion. joepinetree fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Aug 12, 2015 |
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My understanding is that the alien chip implanted in Scully somehow allows the colonists to manipulate her bodily functions in ways that are way beyond what our scientists would be able to explain. When they decided to use her as the mother of the first hybrid they were somehow able to "turn on" her baby making equipment again.
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Chairman Capone posted:I remember at the time there was some review on the end of the show about how The X-Files was such a product of the Clinton era and its view on government, the conspiracies it generated, etc., it already seemed anachronistic in the new Bush era (at least those early years). Yeah I remember people saying that having the government as the bad guys was pre 9/11 thinking haha.
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Castle Radium posted:There's yet another Lost connection I can think of(other than the multiple appearances by Terry O'Quinn), Titus Welliver shows up in the Season 1 episode "Darkness Falls" playing an eco-terrorist. You made me google it and I found this http://lostfiles.tumblr.com/
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Castle Radium posted:There's yet another Lost connection I can think of(other than the multiple appearances by Terry O'Quinn), Titus Welliver shows up in the Season 1 episode "Darkness Falls" playing an eco-terrorist. The last MOW was Michael Emerson
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WebDog posted:I think the main appeal for me was spending too much time reading crap like this.
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Chairman Capone posted:I remember at the time there was some review on the end of the show about how The X-Files was such a product of the Clinton era and its view on government, the conspiracies it generated, etc., it already seemed anachronistic in the new Bush era (at least those early years). I think the AV Club review for "Nothing Important Happened Today" said something like that as well, namely that The X-Files couldn't continue as it had in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 because, in that short window between the towers coming down and the start of the fighting in Iraq, mass audiences in America weren't keen on the idea that the government was scheming against them and hiding the truth from them. Now, this was before the PATRIOT Act and wire-tapping and what have you, and I imagine there still would've been a place - perhaps even a very important place - for The X-Files in that cultural context, but by then, I think mainstream TV had moved on to 24.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I think the AV Club review for "Nothing Important Happened Today" said something like that as well, namely that The X-Files couldn't continue as it had in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 because, in that short window between the towers coming down and the start of the fighting in Iraq, mass audiences in America weren't keen on the idea that the government was scheming against them and hiding the truth from them. Now, this was before the PATRIOT Act and wire-tapping and what have you, and I imagine there still would've been a place - perhaps even a very important place - for The X-Files in that cultural context, but by then, I think mainstream TV had moved on to 24. This, but also the kind of conspiracies that were the bread-and-butter of the The X-Files seemed almost quaint in comparison to the early Bush years.
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I guess it's because the 1990s were meant to be the end of history, when the Cold War was ended, liberal democracy had driven all before it, communism was defeated, and the success of the Western coalition in Kuwait seemed to suggest that the most we (by which I mean the Anglosphere) would have to worry about on the geopolitical scale was working through either NATO or the UN to resolve local political disputes (though obviously Somalia and Rwanda had put paid to that last part by the middle of the decade). There was no Soviet Union to represent an existential external threat, and radical Islamic terrorism hadn't yet emerged to replace it. So, people looked inwards for something to be suspicious or paranoid of. The 1990s were the decade of Posse Comitatus, conspiracy theories about FEMA death camps and black helicopters, the Waco siege, domestic terrorism and so on. For example, keep in mind that one Tom Clancy novel where the villains were originally Muslim terrorists mounting an attack on the continental United States, but were changed to a far-right militia before publication because it was felt that it would be more believable that way. You also had a seeming preponderance of doomsday cults like the Branch Davidians, the Order of the Solar Temple, Heavens Gate, Aum Shinrikyo (in Japan), teh Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God (in Uganda) etc. People who believed that the dawning of the new millennium would herald the emergence of the evil planet Nibiru from behind the Sun, the inevitable and fatal approach of which would be obscured by the perihelion of the Comet Hale-Bopp. Of course, just about every decade has had all of these things and more, but I think in the 20th century the 1990s are set apart by the fact that there wasn't a Soviet Union looming on the other side of the world. (Disclaimer: I read a bunch of end of history stuff when I was researching my dissertation and ended up using none of it.  )
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Nouvelle Vague posted:This, but also the kind of conspiracies that were the bread-and-butter of the The X-Files seemed almost quaint in comparison to the early Bush years. Yeah, Clinton-era paranoia was all about what was going on under the surface of the Pax Americana and the strange world that followed the end of the Cold War. A lot of it was uncertainty about what was happening and what would happen in the future, which was expressed by a general dread or sense of unease about tensions under the surface. Those tensions were economic and about the future role of nation-states. But then what turned out to have been under the surface all along was rejection of the global economic order by non-state actors who framed their rejection in terms of a clash of civilizations, and we got a whole new narrative almost exactly as the new century began. All of the 90s fear was in the wrong direction, but it was in anticipation of another shoe dropping once the Soviet Union fell. You can see economic and geopolitical fears all over the X-Files. Local manufacturing shutting down or being taken over by some spreading malign interest is all over that show, whether it's a monster-of-the-week reacting to exposure from globalization or a changing relationship between an isolated place and the wider world, or some alien conspiracy using industrial rail lines to ship evil clones around. Geopolitics is all over the conspiracy angle, and how there's a secret race between nations of the world that do and don't work together to change everything. It's been mentioned before, but _Behold a Pale Horse_ really explains the zeitgeist of the times and was probably an actual source for the show's narrative. I AM GRANDO fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Aug 12, 2015 |
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Wheat Loaf posted:For example, keep in mind that one Tom Clancy novel where the villains were originally Muslim terrorists mounting an attack on the continental United States, but were changed to a far-right militia before publication because it was felt that it would be more believable that way. Wait, which Clancy book was that? The only far-right militia guys I remember in a Clancy book were Dumb and Dumber trying to blow up Washington with a concrete mixer full of fertilizer in Executive Orders (which also had Iran launch a bio-attack on the U.S. as prelude to attempting to take over the entire Saudi Penninsula). And Sum of All Fears had a pair of Muslim terrorists nuke Denver
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howe_sam posted:Wait, which Clancy book was that? The only far-right militia guys I remember in a Clancy book were Dumb and Dumber trying to blow up Washington with a concrete mixer full of fertilizer in Executive Orders (which also had Iran launch a bio-attack on the U.S. as prelude to attempting to take over the entire Saudi Penninsula). And Sum of All Fears had a pair of Muslim terrorists nuke Denver I think he's thinking of the Sum of All Fears movie, which changed the bad guys from Muslim extremists to neo-Nazis.
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Yes, that's what I was thinking of - cheers for clarifying the details.
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Smoking Crow posted:Aliens are real y'all
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Wheat Loaf posted:I think the AV Club review for "Nothing Important Happened Today" said something like that as well, namely that The X-Files couldn't continue as it had in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 because, in that short window between the towers coming down and the start of the fighting in Iraq, mass audiences in America weren't keen on the idea that the government was scheming against them and hiding the truth from them. Now, this was before the PATRIOT Act and wire-tapping and what have you, and I imagine there still would've been a place - perhaps even a very important place - for The X-Files in that cultural context, but by then, I think mainstream TV had moved on to 24. Yes! Post-9/11, there was something comforting and needed about 24 and Jack Bauer pulling all the horrible stops to prevent terrorist attacks. I think the most modern version of the conspiracy/political zeitgeist has been Person Of Interest (one of the great "Children of the X-Files" shows) for a couple of years now.
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Jose posted:You made me google it and I found this Doug Hutchison played Horace? I'll never look at the character the same way again. 
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Yannick_B posted:Yes! Post-9/11, there was something comforting and needed about 24 and Jack Bauer pulling all the horrible stops to prevent terrorist attacks. I think it may be somewhat telling that, by the time they each came to an end, the characters in both 24 and Spooks seemed to be dealing with shadowy international conspiracies that might as well have been the Syndicate more than terrorists.
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I was thinking a bit about this when I saw Zero Dark Thirty, specifically at the part when Jessica Chastain goes to Area 51 to get two of those black UN stealth helicopters to hunt down Bin Laden. This doesn't explain why the X-Files lost its audience in 2001, of course, but it seems like in the years since then there's been a gradual revelation that not only are all the conspiracies true...but that they're far more disappointing than we ever could have imagined. There are plans and schemes, but all are orchestrated by dull, greedy men for relatively unimpressive reasons. (Hell, even in the movie, one of the helicopters flips over in an updraft.) Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the first AV Club review for Millenium suggest that the show was a post-9/11 show that had the misfortune to air before 9/11?
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I don't know if I'd really call Millennium a post-9/11 show, but I think it was definitely ahead of its time. I think it would have been a lot more accepted by both audiences and the network ten years later.
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Chairman Capone posted:I don't know if I'd really call Millennium a post-9/11 show, but I think it was definitely ahead of its time. I think it would have been a lot more accepted by both audiences and the network ten years later. No doubt. I've caught a couple episodes of Criminal Minds here and there and that poo poo is as grim (if not grimmer) as Millenium or episodes like Aubrey and Irresistible. And it keeps coming back!
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Yannick_B posted:No doubt. I've caught a couple episodes of Criminal Minds here and there and that poo poo is as grim (if not grimmer) as Millenium or episodes like Aubrey and Irresistible. And it keeps coming back! Yea Criminal Minds is just as dark as pretty much anything on television with the one caveat that they can't really show graphic violence like HBO can.
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Millennium is grim like True Detective. The dread isn't really about the cases, even, but the hopelessness of a world falling into ruin.
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Millennium's season 2 finale is down there with some Melancholia levels of depression.
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MacDougall posted:As X Files fans how do you feel about Fringe? Love it.
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Season 1's a little uneven and the last season is whatever, but Walter Bishop is one of the best characters in genre TV. He's a goddamn treasure in every episode.
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MacDougall posted:As X Files fans how do you feel about Fringe? It's super great! It's another children of the X-Files but they go harder and crazier in some of their big premises in a way XF could not really do back then.
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I couldn't get into Fringe or Supernatural, and it makes me think I'm missing something.
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The funny thing about Fringe is that there was an episode with some kind of senate hearing where somebody referenced "the old X-division" as a reference, and then a few episodes later they went out of their way to some somebody watching X-Files on tv, like they got scared that somebody would take the earlier in-joke as proof that the show was a sequel to the X-Files. But then they later straight-up said that Dr. Jacoby from Twin Peaks knew Walter from medical school and never went back on it.
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Fringe had a vastly better finale than X-Files that's for sure.Big Mean Jerk posted:Walter Bishop is one of the best characters in genre TV. He's a goddamn treasure in every episode. 
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Jack Gladney posted:The funny thing about Fringe is that there was an episode with some kind of senate hearing where somebody referenced "the old X-division" as a reference, and then a few episodes later they went out of their way to some somebody watching X-Files on tv, like they got scared that somebody would take the earlier in-joke as proof that the show was a sequel to the X-Files. Yeah, Fringe is basically a love letter to the X-Files, and though it's an imperfect show, they really go full on with the storytelling risks they take. The last season is divisive as hell but personally I loved it.
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MacDougall posted:As X Files fans how do you feel about Fringe? It was awful.
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MacDougall posted:As X Files fans how do you feel about Fringe? Most of Fringe was great but it had its slow points and I didn't like the last season.
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Fringe is decent but it has a really different appeal to me than X-Files does. The shows seem really tonally different and I don't feel at all similarly about the two of them.
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Fringe is maybe more like a super hero show without any real super heroes. First season had some terribly wooden acting but it was ok show as a whole.
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haveblue posted:Most of Fringe was great but it had its slow points and I didn't like the last season. Interestingly enough, that's the same opinion most would have on the X-Files.
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MacDougall posted:As X Files fans how do you feel about Fringe? When it first came out I gave it a shot for about 3-4 episodes and didn't feel like they were doing anything new. After season 2 ended I saw a late season 2 episode, thought it was awesome, and went back to catch up. Later on in the show's run you really realize how much the show rewards the early watchers by making just about every single plot point early on relevant in the late game, something X-Files didn't really pull off. It's X-Files if its arching narrative was cohesive and got a satisfying payoff. There are weaker points obviously, and some dropped plot threads, but I give them a lot of credit for trying new things constantly and never backing down or returning to status quo.
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