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Why are you people even arguing? Racism is over,it just doesn't happen anymore! Jeez
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Cole posted:The quote from somebody was more or less "tend to not be cops anymore." No he initially said "fired and punished" though, you're the one who made it just about being fired. I can be pedantic too, if you like - in your quote, he said "tend". That leaves open the option that the cops who try to be better are not always fired, obviously. You're the only one asking for evidence of that.
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Aug 14, 2015 21:18
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lfield posted:No he initially said "fired and punished" though, you're the one who made it just about being fired. Evidence was provided before I ever asked. I merely said it would take more than two. I never said post more than two until Sedan told me he would post 100. He still hasn't though. And Dr's true colors came out later when he told us what he really meant, what I already knew he meant. e: "tend" also means regularly or frequently. it doesn't regularly or frequently happen though. Cole fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Aug 14, 2015 |
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Aug 14, 2015 21:19
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Cole posted:And four out of five of the first five posted were not examples, so you still has work to do. I quickly glanced through every article, which is more than you have done.
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Aug 14, 2015 21:20
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Cole posted:Evidence was provided before I ever asked. I merely said it would take more than two. I never said post more than two until Sedan told me he would post 100. Actually if we're going to split hairs, you asked him to provide, not read. So...
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Aug 14, 2015 21:21
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So we've got someone posting examples to support they're argument that they haven't read and another person dismissing them, also without reading them. Whats actually being argued here?
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Aug 14, 2015 21:22
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serious gaylord posted:So we've got someone posting examples to support they're argument that they haven't read and another person dismissing them, also without reading them. It appears to be dickwaving at this point.
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Aug 14, 2015 21:23
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SedanChair posted:I quickly glanced through every article, which is more than you have done. i thoroughly read your first five and you struck out on all but one of them. someone else said that another one you posted had nothing to do with violence. you shot your own credibility in the foot. Raerlynn posted:you asked him to provide, not read. So... Yes, and he didn't because what he provided isn't what I asked for. So...
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Aug 14, 2015 21:23
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Cole posted:i thoroughly read your first five and you struck out on all but one of them. someone else said that another one you posted had nothing to do with violence. you shot your own credibility in the foot. When you were initially asked about 100 stories, it was ironic. It wasn't a literal question. The intended meaning was that you would never accept any amount of evidence. Do you get that? Even if all 100 links all fit your exact specifications for what 'counts' you'd just change them again.
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Aug 14, 2015 21:26
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Cole posted:i thoroughly read your first five and you struck out on all but one of them. Then to use your own words "you have more work to do." You won't need to read any more thoroughly than I did to dismiss the rest of them, so go ahead.
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Aug 14, 2015 21:27
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lfield posted:When you were initially asked about 100 stories, it was ironic. It wasn't a literal question. The intended meaning was that you would never accept any amount of evidence. Do you get that? No, it was legit as soon as he said 100. That's why i didn't stop asking for it. It isn't my fault if he is wrong on most of them. It's pretty simple: SedanChair said he would show me 100 stories of cops getting fired for not being brutal or trying to stop brutal behavior. He has failed to do that.
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Aug 14, 2015 21:30
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SedanChair posted:Cole stated that if I posted 100 examples, he would say whether or not he was convinced. If you're going to claim those are examples, you're going to have to read more than the headline.
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Aug 14, 2015 21:31
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I declare victory on the basis that I refuse to read the opposing evidence.
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Aug 14, 2015 21:33
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Dead Reckoning posted:If you're going to claim those are examples, you're going to have to read more than the headline. I did. I checked to make sure that each example involved police attempts to report on or intervene in misconduct, and retaliatory action that followed.
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Aug 14, 2015 21:35
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lfield posted:I declare victory on the basis that I refuse to read the opposing evidence. But enough about sedanchair.
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Aug 14, 2015 21:35
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lfield posted:I declare victory on the basis that I refuse to read the opposing evidence. You can't show a basketball game for evidence in the Tom Brady trial just because both incidents involve sports. Even if you tell the judge to watch all of it because it picks up in the fourth quarter. Cole fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Aug 14, 2015 |
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Aug 14, 2015 21:35
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SedanChair posted:I did. I checked to make sure that each example involved police attempts to report on or intervene in misconduct, and retaliatory action that followed. Some of them didn't even involve this though.
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Aug 14, 2015 21:36
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Cole posted:Some of them didn't even involve this though. By all means, please grace us with your explanation for why they did not, in each case.
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Aug 14, 2015 21:41
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SedanChair posted:By all means, please grace us with your explanation for why they did not, in each case. I did with the first five and then decided you don't actually have anything good to show me and stopped reading. That's about as far as I'm willing to go unless you actually, you know, show me something that proves your point. That would require you to do some reading before I do it. I'm not gonna check your work for you, babe. It's up to you to restore your credibility in this argument, not me.
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Aug 14, 2015 21:44
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Cole posted:I did with the first five and then decided you don't actually have anything good to show me and stopped reading. What exactly are you arguing again?
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Aug 14, 2015 21:46
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Each article that I looked at fit the criteria, in my opinion.
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Aug 14, 2015 21:50
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I read a few and they all had to do with cops claiming they faced punishment for exposing misconduct or abuse by other police. I thought that was the whole point but apparently they need to be specifically fired (not just punished) for not participating in violent abuse (not just abuse of power in general.) So well done SedanChair, you proved that police departments are corrupt and punish whistle-blowers but you haven't won the pedantic, ridiculous, goalpost-moving internet argument yet. Next find me 100 where the cop was a Capricorn called Brian who was fired on a Wednesday.
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Aug 14, 2015 21:50
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/13/us/alabama-birmingham-police-detective-pistol-whipped/index.html This incident is bizarre. The cops keep saying the media caused the officer not kill that man, because the officer was scared of making headlines. but then no one died. I'm glad the media prevented that cop from killing someone.
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Aug 14, 2015 22:02
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lfield posted:I read a few and they all had to do with cops claiming they faced punishment for exposing misconduct or abuse by other police. I thought that was the whole point but apparently they need to be specifically fired (not just punished) for not participating in violent abuse (not just abuse of power in general.) Actually, all he proved is that he doesn't read the things he uses to back up his point. That's an absolutely horrible way to debate.
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Aug 14, 2015 22:03
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I'm surprised no one has yet pointed out that a news article reporting that someone is suing for allegations of whistleblower retaliation is not the same as an article saying said lawsuit was successful. Accusation =/= it happened. I can't be the only one who sees the irony here.
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Aug 14, 2015 22:15
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Cole posted:Actually, all he proved is that he doesn't read the things he uses to back up his point. That's an absolutely horrible way to debate. God drat. How do the same posters keep coming in and making GBS threads up this thread? Honestly, it's frustrating because most of the time it is enjoyable to read. But what the gently caress are you trying to achieve here? What are you adding to the conversation? gently caress. Just make a thread in GiP called "literally sucking cops dicks" and rename this thread to "discuss about hating cops" and just leave it at that. I'm definitely no DnD superstar, but the previous threads on this topic were much better when the DnD rules were more strict. This poo poo is terrible.
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Aug 14, 2015 22:19
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Internet Explorer posted:God drat. How do the same posters keep coming in and making GBS threads up this thread? Honestly, it's frustrating because most of the time it is enjoyable to read. But what the gently caress are you trying to achieve here? What are you adding to the conversation? This post is literally "if you don't agree with us get out"
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Aug 14, 2015 22:21
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Weren't y'all arguing with Cole non-stop like two months ago? It's like the Bernie quarantine thread.
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Aug 14, 2015 22:29
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Sir Tonk posted:Weren't y'all arguing with Cole non-stop like two months ago? It's like the Bernie quarantine thread. This is why you have to ignore people asking for evidence but always unwilling to give any of their own.
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Aug 14, 2015 22:53
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Trabisnikof posted:This is why you have to ignore people asking for evidence but always unwilling to give any of their own. That's because the burden of proof isn't on me in this situation.
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Aug 14, 2015 22:56
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Cole posted:This post is literally "if you don't agree with us get out" Yes, it is literally "if you don't agree with us get out." Because it was being talked about a few pages ago. Read the thread. Cole posted:That's because the burden of proof isn't on me in this situation. Burden of proof? You asked for 100 links. Some poor fucker with too much time posted 100 links. You don't actually have the decency to try to prove him wrong. I was actually looking forward to it, because as much as I think you're a loving moron, I thought maybe I'd learn something. But no, I get to read a bunch of your dumb one liners instead. Burden of proof? gently caress you.
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Aug 14, 2015 23:09
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Internet Explorer posted:You don't actually have the decency to try to prove him wrong. Because that isn't up to me. I didn't bring up police getting fired for stopping police brutality, I just responded by saying two sources isn't enough to reasonably say it doesn't happen a lot. "I am going to bring this up, now YOU prove it!" Really?
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Aug 14, 2015 23:13
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Trabisnikof posted:This is why you have to ignore people asking for evidence but always unwilling to give any of their own. As much as I'd like to emptyquote this, as it's exactly my take on those people, I'll also say it really should be something that's stickied in DnD at large rather than this particular thread or any particularly shitshow-generating topic. Don't just continually engage people who say "Well, you're wrong and I'm not even going to consider looking at the supports for your argument because I'm right, you're wrong, and your supporting data/record was confusing to me" because it validates that manner of argument and discussion. That said, this - DARPA posted:http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/13/us/alabama-birmingham-police-detective-pistol-whipped/index.html - is a legitimately good development, even if the schmuck is trying to wring fundraising out of the usual suspects. "I don't want to be known as someone who murdered an unarmed person, so I didn't murder an unarmed person and instead got knocked around a bit." Welcome to being a cop, sometimes you're going to take a lump or three after choosing not to kill someone, but that's what courts and criminal charges are for after the fact.
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Aug 14, 2015 23:14
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FAUXTON posted:"Well, you're wrong and I'm not even going to consider looking at the supports for your argument because I'm right, you're wrong, and your supporting data/record was confusing to me" The data given didn't support his stance. He even admitted he only skimmed every article he posted. That admission alone is enough to kill credibility. E: If I had said I only skimmed stuff I was using to back up my point, you all would dogpile the poo poo out of me for that. Cole fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Aug 14, 2015 |
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Aug 14, 2015 23:15
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DARPA posted:http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/13/us/alabama-birmingham-police-detective-pistol-whipped/index.html People will point to this as justification for shooting unarmed black men. It's amazing that "cop doesn't shoot black guy" is the main story on CNN and that most of the article talks about how sad it is that he got beat up and people took pictures. edit: also, "It's hard times for us" hahaha yeah. It's rough not being able to kill people because people are paying more attention. beejay fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Aug 14, 2015 |
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Aug 14, 2015 23:18
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Cole posted:The data given didn't support his stance. He even admitted he only skimmed every article he posted. That admission alone is enough to kill credibility. You get 2 "well researched" examples and you bitch and moan about it. Then you get the 100 examples you ask for and complain because he didn't read every word of every article? What are you, his thesis advisor? Is he working on getting his doctorate? Or perhaps interviewing for a job as chief of police, running on a platform of police reform? 
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Aug 14, 2015 23:21
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Internet Explorer posted:You get 2 "well researched" examples and you bitch and moan about it. Then you get the 100 examples you ask for and complain because he didn't read every word of every article? What are you, his thesis advisor? Is he working on getting his doctorate? Or perhaps interviewing for a job as chief of police, running on a platform of police reform? But I didn't get the 100 examples I asked for, that's why I complained.
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Aug 14, 2015 23:21
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Fly away troll~~~ (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 14, 2015 23:26
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Internet Explorer posted:Fly away since you don't agree with me~~~ 
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Internet Explorer posted:You get 2 "well researched" examples and you bitch and moan about it. Then you get the 100 examples you ask for and complain because he didn't read every word of every article? What are you, his thesis advisor? Is he working on getting his doctorate? Or perhaps interviewing for a job as chief of police, running on a platform of police reform? While I appreciate your energy I just want to tell you that it isn't worth it. You should post more, just don't get too invested. I know that is hard to do, I often fail. The reality of this thread is that there are a handful of us arguing the same poo poo day after day and then imagining how lovely the people we are arguing with are. We get testy and nasty and ascribe all sorts of wrong opinions onto people because we disagree with them. It's a fun thread. 
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