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M_Gargantua posted:Jerry should be seeking help for something the whole episode, reluctant to ask Beth, or Rick, and see the box in the garage when no ones around. Hesitation, a tentative reach. Cut to credits. Post credit scene is just a Meseeks punching Jerry in the face over and over. Better than my idea for someone to call up a Meseeks for something, then for it get get resolved on its own or not technically complete for the Meseeks to die and Rick and gang portal away leaving the Meseeks trapped. e; Condiv posted:that may be untrue. when rick, morty, and summer were trapped between existence and non-existence they should have been in a state of super-imposed existence and non-existence, but there was no visible difference in that measure. perhaps "existence" is having quantum observer status (ie: able to influence the world/timeline). if rick hadn't escaped perhaps he would have returned to the real world but as a phantasmagoric being that is unable to be observed or make any effect on the real world. basically, maybe rick would've been shadowbanned from life if he didn't reclaim his existence. So that's where shadow people come from 
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Condiv posted:that may be untrue. when rick, morty, and summer were trapped between existence and non-existence they should have been in a state of super-imposed existence and non-existence, but there was no visible difference in that measure. perhaps "existence" is having quantum observer status (ie: able to influence the world/timeline). if rick hadn't escaped perhaps he would have returned to the real world but as a phantasmagoric being that is unable to be observed or make any effect on the real world. basically, maybe rick would've been shadowbanned from life if he didn't reclaim his existence. Rick posted:Don't think about it!
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Aug 14, 2015 22:37
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sirtommygunn posted:They knew how to help Jerry, Jerry just wasn't willing to listen. Exactly. The Meseeks were giving Jerry good advice, but Jerry doesn't like listening to other people because he's stubborn and easily offended so he ignored them. The Meseeks couldn't help because he wouldn't let them help him, even though they knew what the the solution to his problem was. A person like Jerry is Hell to a Meseeks.
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Aug 14, 2015 22:44
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Exactly. The Meseeks were giving Jerry good advice, but Jerry doesn't like listening to other people because he's stubborn and easily offended so he ignored them. The Meseeks couldn't help because he wouldn't let them help him, even though they knew what the the solution to his problem was. A person like Jerry is Hell to a Meseeks. Well which is it keep my head down or follow through? Jerry, we've been through this, you have to do both.
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"Mr. Poopybutthole" is also a sort of reference to an older Roiland/Harmon cartoon, The Unmarketables (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcMFHRXp8xM), but it's really more of a reference to Justin's general insanity.
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Aug 14, 2015 22:54
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drunkill posted:Rick and Stan This didn't get enough love, but I did appreciate it. Thank you.
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Aug 14, 2015 23:02
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MariusLecter posted:Better than my idea for someone to call up a Meseeks for something, then for it get get resolved on its own or not technically complete for the Meseeks to die and Rick and gang portal away leaving the Meseeks trapped. That's a pretty good horrifying "I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream" scenario right there.
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Aug 15, 2015 00:01
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The Red Queen posted:That's a pretty good horrifying "I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream" scenario right there. It doesn't really make sense, Rick isn't needlessly cruel, why not just shoot the thing in the face if it's begging for death?
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a cop posted:It doesn't really make sense, Rick isn't needlessly cruel, why not just shoot the thing in the face if it's begging for death? Aren't they immortal outside of fulfilling their request?
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Aug 15, 2015 00:27
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That's what I remember.
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Aug 15, 2015 00:31
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Baltazar Robotnik posted:Aren't they immortal outside of fulfilling their request? They can at least be killed by other Meeseeks. Or maybe just torn to shreds?
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Aug 15, 2015 00:34
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They say "None of us can die until our purpose has been served" but I took that as some sort of built in genetic code that disallowed them from killing each other. I'm pretty sure rick could kill one of those things.. they did a decent job of loving each other up.
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Aug 15, 2015 00:35
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32MB OF ESRAM posted:They can at least be killed by other Meeseeks. Or maybe just torn to shreds? The opposite is explicitly true. There are guns in that brawl, and Meseeks missing limbs and other bits that should probably be important, but they're all fine.
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Aug 15, 2015 00:37
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Typical posted:
Cool, but your Nebuchadnezzar + Sail Barge influences show through too much in that design.
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Baltazar Robotnik posted:Aren't they immortal outside of fulfilling their request? I think it's more like an obsessive compulsion that prevents them from killing themselves before their task is complete. They're physically capable of killing themselves and dying at any time, but psychologically they they feel compelled to stay alive until the task is done no matter how bad being alive feels.
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Aug 15, 2015 00:56
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I think it's more like an obsessive compulsion that prevents them from killing themselves before their task is complete. They're physically capable of killing themselves and dying at any time, but psychologically they they feel compelled to stay alive until the task is done no matter how bad being alive feels. This is pretty directly refuted by the part of that episode where they're literally ripping each other limb from limb and then they all collectively agree that Jerry's an rear end in a top hat gently caress Jerry.
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Aug 15, 2015 01:03
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Its pretty clear they can't be killed...how are people missing that? Repeatedly? It was shown in the show and then explained here in the thread multiple times. Normally when a premise like "they cant die until their task is complete" is presented in a show, it means that, and not some other convoluted explanation that the writers felt was important enough to be true but not explained or ever mentioned at all.
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Aug 15, 2015 01:20
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Alright, I've got this one. We generate two Meeseeks, giving the first an arbitrarily difficult but objectively completable task like "recite the first ten million prime numbers" then we give the second one the task "kill that Meeseeks." Alternatively, the center of consciousness of a Meeseeks isn't its body, but the Meeseeks box. The body is just the tool by which it completes its task and self-terminates. A destroyed Meeseeks (from, say, Rick's suicide machine) would remain conscious, and painfully extant, until its task was complete. It would just have no ability to move, communicate, or perceive anything.
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Aug 15, 2015 01:30
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Strobe posted:This is pretty directly refuted by the part of that episode where they're literally ripping each other limb from limb and then they all collectively agree that Jerry's an rear end in a top hat gently caress Jerry. Not really, they're making Meseeks not to kill themselves but to kill other Meseeks who disagree with them so they can complete their task faster and those other Meseeks are fighting to stay alive even though being alive is awful to the. It definitely feels like they have a compulsive need to be alive until their task is done.
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Aug 15, 2015 01:33
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Space T Rex posted:Its pretty clear they can't be killed...how are people missing that? Repeatedly? It was shown in the show and then explained here in the thread multiple times. Normally when a premise like "they cant die until their task is complete" is presented in a show, it means that, and not some other convoluted explanation that the writers felt was important enough to be true but not explained or ever mentioned at all. That's retarded. Rick could kill them.
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Aug 15, 2015 01:39
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Not really, they're making Meseeks not to kill themselves but to kill other Meseeks who disagree with them so they can complete their task faster and those other Meseeks are fighting to stay alive even though being alive is awful to the. It definitely feels like they have a compulsive need to be alive until their task is done. Except none of them are actually fighting to stay alive as far as we can tell? They're just fighting. And more importantly, none of them at all, period, are dying, regardless of the level of punishment and dismemberment inflicted upon them. I mean how much loving clearer does "Meseeks can't die" have to be before you loving believe it.
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Aug 15, 2015 01:42
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And that's why, even when some Meseeks were created with the goal of "kill that other Meseeks", they all agreed to go after Jerry as a unit: The only way any Meseeks can die is if their task is completed, so if a Meseeks needs to kill another one, they're really actually stuck helping that one with its task. This was an actual plot point. They're genies created by a box for a singular purpose and they can't die until they've finished it. Maybe rewatching the episode will help.
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Aug 15, 2015 01:47
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Oh god, we are the daycare for Jerrys.
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Aug 15, 2015 01:48
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TequilaJesus posted:Next you're going to argue Pluto's still a planet. You heard about Pluto? That's messed up, right?
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KoRMaK posted:But I woulnt mind seeing what the meeseeks do in their own universe I don't think they do anything. They're born with the exact same personality, probably stored somewhere, and they understand the longer their task isn't accomplished, the longer they'll live in huge agony. Actually, it's beginning to sound a bit like Pigs Are People. Though I'd like to see maybe the creators behind them. I imagine you can get a meeseeks box at a supermarket or something, you know the ones where you can buy socks and chicken without having to move your trolley. Maybe some dude was like "yeah can do, you can use my personality as a template for torture slaves" at the torture factory or something.
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Aug 15, 2015 01:55
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ashpanash posted:"Mr. Poopybutthole" is also a sort of reference to an older Roiland/Harmon cartoon, The Unmarketables (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcMFHRXp8xM), but it's really more of a reference to Justin's general insanity. Holy poo poo guys, are we sure Mr Poopybutthole isn't a real parasite that's implanted memories of him always existing? I mean, I'm pretty sure he was on Justin's podcast too, with his brother Luigi.
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Siamang posted:Cool, but your Nebuchadnezzar + Sail Barge influences show through too much in that design. Thanks for letting us know who the real expert on spaceship influence and design is. How dare they. You dick.
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Aug 15, 2015 02:05
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I just love it so much that the hyper-obvious Meseeks storyline, where Mr. Meseeks is a genie/slave who dislikes spending his whole life serving others' needs and yearns only for freedom, is immediately sidestepped within seconds of him being introduced.
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Aug 15, 2015 02:21
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Fellbat posted:Oh god, we are the daycare for Jerrys. Truer words have never been spoken.
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KoRMaK posted:they have to exist tho, in some form. it would be very unfamiliar to us, maybe we wouldnt even call it existence, but for them it is. - Mr. Meeseeks - "Rick and Morty" - Don't think about it
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Strobe posted:Except none of them are actually fighting to stay alive as far as we can tell? They're just fighting. And more importantly, none of them at all, period, are dying, regardless of the level of punishment and dismemberment inflicted upon them. But then what happened to the Meseeks who was ordered to kill the other Meseeks? He wouldn't have disappeared when Jerry got better at golf-oh wait yes he would have because technically he did help kill the Meseek he was created to kill. Okay now I believe it.
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Squall posted:You heard about Pluto? That's messed up, right? I miss that drat show already.
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Aug 15, 2015 03:41
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Just Offscreen posted:Thanks for letting us know who the real expert on spaceship influence and design is. How dare they. Hey, if you're involved in making something and are genuinely interested in improving and not just fishing for feedback, would you rather hear "awesome!" or "hey it looks a little too derivative of X and Y"? There's a middle ground between yes man and dick.
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You missed the middle ground and landed straight on the dick.
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Aug 15, 2015 03:43
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No, saying something like 'this is poo poo' would be dick. I said it was cool but had some pretty apparent influences. Sorry about your tenderness!
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If meeseeks are truly immortal there would be innumerable wars between lower level civilizations where the acquisition of a single meeseeks box would spell doom and chaos across entire worlds. That would actually be an interesting direction for a followup so if they go that route cool but I think they can be killed!!!
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Thank God goons have never found a meeseeks box
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Can we make "thinking about it" bannnable please? ...mods?
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ultramiraculous posted:Can we make "thinking about it" bannnable please? ...mods? The crux of "Don't think about it" is that Morty, in Rick's eyes, is incapable of thinking about it. Rick and Morty is a show that thinks about it.
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