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Rincewinds posted:Considering how bad most of the republican candidates today are, what was the awful part of George H. W. Bush? I mean, he was right wing, but standing next to these bozos and even his sons, he would look like the sane one, but he must had something to gain the support of the loons in the party. The loons just didn't have a full hand on the reins of the party back then, at least not in the way the Tea Party has pulled things. What probably motivated the crazies to vote for Bush Jr. was the Clinton hate machine that was already in full swing, and I don't know if he campaigned on it, but I know he supported a lot of measures towards loving over public schools, which is kind of a right wing looney issue. Looking back on it from non-highschooler perspective, H.W. Bush just seems like the perfect establishment Republican candidate. I mean, what crony style nonesense didn't his administration get up to? He did private schooling bullshit, pushed for privatizing social security, started a long, drawn out conflict that certainly lined the pockets of your typical military contract corporations, and allowed the banks to run wild and nearly destroy the economy. Edit: Oh poo poo wrong bush! I was too young to know anything about Bush Sr! bobtheconqueror fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Aug 16, 2015 |
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Rincewinds posted:Considering how bad most of the republican candidates today are, what was the awful part of George H. W. Bush? I mean, he was right wing, but standing next to these bozos and even his sons, he would look like the sane one. I'm 40 now. I was 13 when he got elected so I will give you what I remember He had a disaster of a vice president. He was completely out of touch with the day to day lives of the average American. He had the misfortune of being president during what turned out to be a mild recession, but one that began to popularize mass corporate layoffs. I seem to remember him going to a store and buying a pair of tube socks and saying that his purchase was going to stimulate the economy, and BTW, what new fangled technology is the scanner the cashier is using? He was the opposite of the next president who said he felt our pain. He didn't have the gift of words like both his predecessor or successor, I can't think of any strong convictions either. He struggled with the "vision thing", but mostly seemed pragmatic. He might have been an imperialist, but if he was an emperor, he was a competent one. And yes, he would be a dream compared to any of the current crop except for maybe Kasich. quote:but he must had something to gain the support of the loons in the party He ran against Dukakis. Enough said. Dukakis did enough to destroy himself. But for someone with as bland a leadership style he was a surprisingly viscous campaigner. Look up Willie Horton. I don't think he was racist, but it sure didn't stop him from pulling all the stops out to get the racist vote. This was the tail end of the cold war and Democrats tended to have headwinds against them on national security. Also the electorate was a lot whiter then. bobtheconqueror posted:I mean, what crony style nonesense didn't his administration get up to? He did private schooling bullshit, pushed for privatizing social security, started a long, drawn out conflict that certainly lined the pockets of your typical military contract corporations, and allowed the banks to run wild and nearly destroy the economy. Every Republican lines the pockets of military contractors, but they mostly got Saudi Arabia and the other gulf nations to finance their war. He was part of the deregulation push that led to the economy being destroyed, but if you are going to be honest about it, Clinton was an even bigger deregulator. It was under Clinton that Glass Stegall was overturned. Zeta Taskforce fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Aug 16, 2015 |
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Absurd Alhazred posted:That sounds like a defense A LOSER would have. Trump stands 110% behind all of these, he will get all the blacks, Jews, Hispanics, everybody to vote for him! The Blacks, the Jews, the Hispanics - they'll vote for him as much as the normal people do!
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stoutfish posted:so kicking out mexicans is a higher priority than saving the lives of millions of dead babies? If Trump's rise in the polls has taught us anything, it's that the single most important issue and qualification for the Republican base is being a racist.
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Rincewinds posted:Considering how bad most of the republican candidates today are, what was the awful part of George H. W. Bush? I mean, he was right wing, but standing next to these bozos and even his sons, he would look like the sane one, but he must had something to gain the support of the loons in the party. He said he wouldn't raise taxes. Then he raised taxes.  e: Daddy's Boy Jeb! is totally going to do a Read My Lips speech at some point which will mark his final flameout.
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Just to make this clear; Trump wants to ethnically cleanse America. Not sure any other candidate are on board with that.
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Montasque posted:Just to make this clear; Trump wants to ethnically cleanse America. Deporting illegal immigrants is not the same as ethnic cleansing. I disagree with it even so, but let's not blow things out of proportion. I don't think any other countries get criticised so harshly for enforcing their immigration laws.
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Montasque posted:Just to make this clear; Trump wants to ethnically cleanse America. If they aren't now, just wait until they see what it does to Trump's numbers with the base.
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Montasque posted:Jeb's response to no longer being top three?
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Just to bring it home; 8 years of Regan and 4 Years of Bush the elder. 12 long and just horrible years. 12 years.... Clinton wasn't perfect, be wasn't one of those assholes. When people talk about how great Regan was, they are lying or just making poo poo up, when they do it about Clinton they honestly liked him, even if they didn't like his policies. Clinton was also incredibly right wing, which led to some really bad policy being voted into law while he was president. No Republican could have passed his crime bills and welfare reform, for example.
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PT6A posted:Deporting illegal immigrants is not the same as ethnic cleansing. I disagree with it even so, but let's not blow things out of proportion. I don't think any other countries get criticised so harshly for enforcing their immigration laws. The forced deportation of 30 million people, the majority being one specific ethnic group(Latino) seems like ethnic cleansing to me.
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Montasque posted:The forced deportation of 30 million people, the majority being one specific ethnic group(Latino) seems like ethnic cleansing to me. I think when many people hear ethnic cleansing, they tend to think of it in terms of murder.
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This is how terms get watered down and eventually the population at large just rolls their eyes at what should be serious accusations.
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PT6A posted:Deporting illegal immigrants is not the same as ethnic cleansing. I disagree with it even so, but let's not blow things out of proportion. I don't think any other countries get criticised so harshly for enforcing their immigration laws. it would absolutely be ethnic cleansing
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AssassinPrincess posted:I think when many people hear ethnic cleansing, they tend to think of it in terms of murder. A lot of those people would wind up dead because of the policy.
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Montasque posted:The forced deportation of 30 million people, the majority being one specific ethnic group(Latino)
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a vote for Trump is a vote for nihilism. the dream of 1930's Germany is alive in America
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Brannock posted:This is how terms get watered down and eventually the population at large just rolls their eyes at what should be serious accusations. Ethnic Cleansing doesn't necessary mean mass murder, but with that said you bet your rear end that if this policy was instituted it would lead to tens of thousands of deaths.
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Montasque posted:The forced deportation of 30 million people, the majority being one specific ethnic group(Latino) seems like ethnic cleansing to me. Ethnic sweeping, I mean he's not killing them just putting it under the rug (Mexico). I hate myself
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apatheticman posted:Ethnic sweeping, I mean he's not killing them just putting it under the rug (his hairpiece).
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Aug 16, 2015 23:01
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Some guy on CNN just compared Donald Trump to Dwight Eisenhower.  How in the hell does this guy get so much air time? All his solutions to problems sound like they came from a 9 year old.
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Pohl posted:Just to bring it home; No, lots of people legitimately like Reagan, mainly because he was the political equivalent of junk food. He provided simple, easy answers during a complex time and reassured people that they didn't have to reconsider any of their long-held beliefs about America. All of the terrible things he did during his term don't matter, even the things that blatantly contradict his conservative beliefs, Because he told Americans that they were good and that everything was going to be okay, thus s become the ultimate conservative daddy figure.
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SouthLAnd posted:Some guy on CNN just compared Donald Trump to Dwight Eisenhower. America has the average intelligence and attention span of an 8-year-old, so it works out perfectly.
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SouthLAnd posted:Some guy on CNN just compared Donald Trump to Dwight Eisenhower. We are about to embark on a luxurious crusade...
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Brannock posted:This is how terms get watered down and eventually the population at large just rolls their eyes at what should be serious accusations. "Ethnic cleansing" literally does not mean "mass murder" only. It refers to intentionally reducing the population of a particular ethnicity(ies) (or bolstering the population of a particular ethnicity) in a given area, as accomplished by any means.
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Fuschia tude posted:"Ethnic cleansing" literally does not mean "mass murder" only. It refers to intentionally reducing the population of a particular ethnicity(ies) (or bolstering the population of a particular ethnicity) in a given area, as accomplished by any means. I know what it means, dude.
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Aug 16, 2015 23:19
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"Ethnic cleansing? Pfft, all he's doin' is sending them illegals back home. Shouldna been here if they didn't want to get kicked out! Hah!" *in incredibly autistic voice* "Actually, if you inspect the dictionary, here, you will see that this is, indeed, ethnic cleansing. Therefore, you should not support Donald Trump."
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Okay guys, in your honest opinion how likely is a Trump presidency? I've been increasingly coming across people who unexpectedly favor him, or seem apathetically resigned to it.
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Rincewinds posted:Considering how bad most of the republican candidates today are, what was the awful part of George H. W. Bush? I mean, he was right wing, but standing next to these bozos and even his sons, he would look like the sane one, but he must had something to gain the support of the loons in the party. I want you to visualize a thousand points of light. Never mind, just read my lips. New Taxes! (Papa Reagan already maxed out the plastic)
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SouthLAnd posted:Some guy on CNN just compared Donald Trump to Dwight Eisenhower. They have the same hairline
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Brannock posted:"Ethnic cleansing? Pfft, all he's doin' is sending them illegals back home. Shouldna been here if they didn't want to get kicked out! Hah!" This post is silly.
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Neo_Crimson posted:Okay guys, in your honest opinion how likely is a Trump presidency? I've been increasingly coming across people who unexpectedly favor him, or seem apathetically resigned to it. Its more likely than it should be. 2 Months ago, if you had claimed that Trump would get the numbers he does, most people would have laughed at you. Especially after his first 2 speech. Now, I think people just don't know what to make of it. Some people genuinely want Trump to win, while others just want to see the Nuclear armaggedon that would most likely result from his first few hours in office. I for one, am brushing up on my Fallout lore to figure out post-nuclear war survival skills.
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Neo_Crimson posted:Okay guys, in your honest opinion how likely is a Trump presidency? I've been increasingly coming across people who unexpectedly favor him, or seem apathetically resigned to it. More likely than any other Republican, really. Even then, not very likely at all. About the best the GOP can hope for is an electoral tie -- as of right now, anyway. Of course, the election is over a year away and who knows what can happen in... hmm, 450 days.
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Neo_Crimson posted:Okay guys, in your honest opinion how likely is a Trump presidency? I've been increasingly coming across people who unexpectedly favor him, or seem apathetically resigned to it. People thought Reagan was a joke and would never be president
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Brannock posted:"Ethnic cleansing? Pfft, all he's doin' is sending them illegals back home. Shouldna been here if they didn't want to get kicked out! Hah!" I guess you're right, we should just give up the meanings of words because ignorant people are ignorant
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I just read through the immigration policies of both Bush and Trump - they're mostly the same poo poo except for Trump's innovation of making Mexico pay for a giant wall with a "big, beautiful door." Bush is going down the tubes. He's got no energy, he's a puppet, and he's got no energy. Nice enough guy, though.
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Aug 16, 2015 23:33
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They make me want to give him a big ol wedgie
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Beforehand posted:This post is silly. This post is not Trump approved. But thank you for your insightful contribution to our dialogue. If you are not in the country legally, pack your bags and make sure you wear clean underwear. The Trump bus full of new ICE agents is just around the corner.
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Brannock posted:"Ethnic cleansing? Pfft, all he's doin' is sending them illegals back home. Shouldna been here if they didn't want to get kicked out! Hah!" You know who else supports ethnic cleansing? That's right!!! Nazis! You know what you're supposed to do when you meet a Nazi? Introduce their skull to the loving asphalt repeatedly! Or be an autistic nerd or w/e
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