Pleasant Friend posted:

In hindsight, I still think this article is correct.

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/17/gop_candidates_trump_test_if_the_donald_is_beating_you_by_the_first_debate_drop_out/

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Here’s a means of culling, an early “show of organizing” or whatever that people babble on about : If you are not beating Donald Trump by the beginning of August, you should just drop out of the race. Or worse: drop out of public life. It means you are a loser. Did you see that show yesterday at Trump Tower? It was the funniest thing we’ve ever seen. If you can’t beat that, you have no business continuing to run for president.

Dahn posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUYE74Mz2wE

Omi-Polari posted:

Donald Trump is another Andrew Jackson.

He's rich and independent of all the eggheads (Jackson was big-time slave owner and a populist). Also remember that Jackson plunged the country into 80 years of economic chaos. And he was an ideological chimera and a national celebrity before he was elected. He's populist and brash and vulgar. Trump will kick the Mexicans like Jackson kicked the Indians.

The Human Crouton posted:

You know, I was thinking the same thing a while and was wondering who would be the first person crass enough to seriously compare Trump's future actions to the Trail of Tears. I was betting on someone on MSNBC, but I guess I was wrong.

The Human Crouton posted:

You know, I was thinking the same thing a while and was wondering who would be the first person crass enough to seriously compare Trump's future actions to the Trail of Tears. I was betting on someone on MSNBC, but I guess I was wrong.

Tautologicus posted:

How did Andrew Jackson plunge the United States into 80 years of economic chaos

fun tunnel posted:

Nagato posted:

im a little slow but i just now realized bernie sanders is "feels man" or whatever it's called

Omi-Polari posted:

If he manages to forcibly expel 12 million people then it will be.

Probably won't manage to though.

PT6A posted:

Well, see, there's a pretty significant difference between the ethnic cleansing of people who do have a right to be there, and the deportation of a bunch of people who have no right to be in the country at all. There's a discussion to be had about whether they should have the legal right to remain in the country, but as of now they do not have that right, nor is it a right extended to undocumented immigrants in most other countries.

I think Trump's proposed immigration policy is loving retarded, no question, but let's not compare apples and oranges.

Omi-Polari posted:

He killed the Second Bank so everything was topsy turvy until centralized banking came along later.

Spaceman Future! posted:

The rights of immigrants in other countries don't really matter given the fairly unique immigration heritage in the United States, the Americas have a their own circumstance in that regard.

PT6A posted:

[citation needed]

I assure you Canada doesn't just let anyone in, either, and we have a similar history regarding settlement/colonization/immigration. The problem is that the US has a very large border with a fairly poor country, and has in many ways been turning a blind eye to the issue of illegal immigration because it works out pretty conveniently for the people in power. The route to legal immigration is also needlessly long and complex, and operates very differently from other first-world nations from what I hear. Saying these problems need to be addressed is neither racism nor genocide. I don't think Trump's plan is a workable solution, but then again I can't say I've got any better ideas.

Nagato posted:

im a little slow but i just now realized bernie sanders is "feels man" or whatever it's called

Spaceman Future! posted:

What exactly are you looking for a citation of? The historical precedent of immigration into the US or the Americas in genral? Which time frame from that history are you curious about? Specifically.


Also, saying that kicking everyone out without any plan is stupid isn't saying that there are no problems to address, also note the distict lack of reference to genocide anywhere in my post. Are you sure you were responding to me and not.. someone you made up?

PT6A posted:

The genocide/ethnic cleansing guy was from a few pages back, but I feel like it's all a symptom of the same thing: some idea that, because Donald Trump dares to have an (admittedly insane) plan about immigration enforcement, he's some kind of a racist. I honestly don't think he is a racist, nor do I think that being in favour of proper immigration enforcement is always tied to racism, although it certainly is in some cases.

Saying America has a different history with regards to immigration is a red herring. Laws can and do change. Personally, I think the laws need to be changed to provide an easier and more secure pathway to immigration and permanent residency, both in the US and Canada, which I think is very much in keeping with our shared history of being "nations of immigrants." This should be extended to economic migrants, both skilled and unskilled, as well as refugees/asylum-seekers. That's still not a good excuse for ignoring the immigration laws we do have.

Spaceman Future! posted:

Undocumented workers currently represent 5.1% of the workforce. Obviously the laws we *do* have are economically untenable, if our workforce can not bear these jobs without undocumented people in them then the laws need to be changed to suit. As for ignoring the immigration laws we do have, who the hell cares? These people pay sales tax, they pay in many cases taxes on their homes, social security, income, and all other manner of taxes without receiving the benefit of them. They pay into the system in full without the benefit of the programs they support, there is no net negative to their presence. There is no logical reason for them not to be here, saying "but the law" is stupid, the law is stupid, we can change the laws and also not punish the people who broke a dumb law to fill an economic necessity for BOTH parties.

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Also, you dont single out Mexicans unless youre being a racist, there are a poo poo ton of undocumented Asian, African, middle eastern, European and even Canadian workers out there. If you are making an honest claim to punish wrongdoers or whatever the gently caress thats supposed to be an honest argument would not to be to ignore literally half, the other 5 million undocumented workers, and rail on about a wall along the Mexican border. there's already a loving Moat, whats a wall gonna do? You gonna keep people who are coming to the US to work on top of ladders out with a few bricks? The gently caress kind of dumb idea is that?

PT6A posted:

Oh, absolutely. The US economy is very much reliant on the labour of illegal immigrants, and that's a problem that should be addressed as part of immigration reform. However, there are some very significant problems with the status quo: namely, that due to their legal status, it's easy for employers to underpay and abuse illegal/undocumented immigrants. This needs to be addressed through wholesale reform of the immigration system to allow a path for legal residency for more unskilled workers, like those that are currently crossing illegally. Trump's policy is very stupid in that regard, because it doesn't address that side of the coin.


I disagree. People who have crossed the border illegally are different from those who have crossed legally, but violate one or more terms of their visa. If you cross the border legally, it means that you are legally admissible to the US, which at least means that you don't have a criminal record (for example). It doesn't necessarily mean you have the right to reside indefinitely or work, but you are documented as someone who has legally gained access to the United States. The biggest group of completely undocumented immigrants is always going to be from Latin America, due to proximity, comparative ease of crossing, visa policy (compared to Canada), and economic conditions. I'm not saying that Mexicans or Latinos should be singled out, merely that the fact that Latinos are over-represented in the group of people affected by this policy, compared to the general population, is not in and of itself evidence of racism.

I think the wall idea is retarded, but the idea that immigration laws must be stringently enforced and the border secured is a necessary part of immigration reform.

The Human Crouton posted:

This thread is confusing me. Do we want illegal immigrants to perform low paying jobs because our economy relies on them, or do we want to pay everybody a minimum wage of $15 per hour?

Spaceman Future! posted:

Canada is a snow driven hellhole full of awful people, ............ the backwoods inbred Canadian people.

Tricky D posted:

Quiero dos tacos, por favor. It's not even that hard.

Knight posted:

tentative8e8op posted:

Trump, you're fired

AfroLine posted:

coworker was singing the praises of Donald Trump, saying that he would bring America back to its former glory and blahdy blah. She went on to argue that racism against whites has been more prevalent than ever after Obama took office. She also said that Indonesians poop in the middle of their floors and eat it, and that’s why we need to close the borders.

AfroLine posted:

coworker was singing the praises of Donald Trump, saying that he would bring America back to its former glory and blahdy blah. She went on to argue that racism against whites has been more prevalent than ever after Obama took office. She also said that Indonesians poop in the middle of their floors and eat it, and that’s why we need to close the borders.