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B-b-but you can't oppose fascism without becoming the fascist yourself, you see 
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circ dick soleil posted:B-b-but you can't oppose fascism without becoming the fascist yourself, you see You could answer a peaceful assembly with a peaceful protest instead of being violent and kept at bay by law enforcement officers? Just throwing that one out there.
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Aug 17, 2015 18:39
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circ dick soleil posted:Fascism is indeed a bad thing. Thanks for agreeing with me. Not when it opposes Islam, Muslims, Immigrants and promotes White heritage and nationalism. Then fascism is indeed a beautiful ideology that I fully support. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 17, 2015 18:40
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If you oppose anti-fascism by saying that it's fascist, you are saying that fascism is bad, which makes you an anti-fascist.
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City of Tampa posted:what group would I belong to in England if I hated nazis and fascism, but also didn't want to live in a community heavily influenced by Muslims? what does "heavily influenced by Muslims" mean? did you believe that fat Fox idiot when he said Birmingham had sharia law?
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ArbitraryC posted:If hypothetically there were a social issue you supported but only had pretty minor roots would you be okay with the general public showing up and throwing things at them/punching them in the face because they didn't want the movement getting any traction? As a general rule, I think free speech is critical and violence should be avoided at all costs. However, when a movement is predicated on eradicating minorities, celebrates Hitler, and literally can only grow by establishing a mythos through public displays of power, then I think there's a strong argument for kicking its legs from under it when it makes the attempt.
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Aug 17, 2015 18:42
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs4P1kKK-5k
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Aug 17, 2015 18:43
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Aug 17, 2015 18:44
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Coohoolin posted:what does "heavily influenced by Muslims" mean? did you believe that fat Fox idiot when he said Birmingham had sharia law? http://www.islamic-sharia.org/
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As a true progressive i believe that social ills a, b, and c should not be looked at as crimes of individuals but instead trends that reflect socioeconomic and institutional factors among the offenders. Their victims, while tragic, should not be used to justify hate or further harm. For social issues x, y, and z though, I will ignore such factors, chalk everything up to personal responsibility, dehumanize the offenders, and endorse attacks upon these monsters.
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Someone post that comic or Hitler being all reasonable about wanting to start up the Holocaust and some rageface idiot yelling at him. We can close the thread after that.
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Aug 17, 2015 18:45
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ArbitraryC posted:You could answer a peaceful assembly with a peaceful protest instead of being violent and kept at bay by law enforcement officers? Just throwing that one out there. Sure why not.
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ArbitraryC posted:As a true progressive You aren't a progressive.
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Aug 17, 2015 18:46
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I'm an anti facist and I fight facism by throwing faeces at old ladies Please tell me how cool and good I am.
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Nigel Farage posted:Not when it opposes Islam, Muslims, Immigrants and promotes White heritage and nationalism. Then fascism is indeed a beautiful ideology that I fully support. how long until you get banned
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Aug 17, 2015 18:46
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reddit liker posted:how long until you get banned For what? Speaking up and telling the truth?
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Aug 17, 2015 18:47
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corpuscollossus posted:As a general rule, I think free speech is critical and violence should be avoided at all costs.
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Aug 17, 2015 18:48
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White supremacists are by and large the worst examples of white genes you can find on the planet.
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Aug 17, 2015 18:49
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500 unemployed squatter crust punk antifa show up to throw poo poo at the dozen or so powerless nazis, who everybody hates, and then act like they're christ on the loving cross for doing it
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anchoress posted:and then act like they're christ on the loving cross for doing it Who? The antifa or the nazis?
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Aug 17, 2015 18:54
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circ dick soleil posted:Who? The antifa or the nazis? yes
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Aug 17, 2015 18:54
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circ dick soleil posted:You aren't a progressive.
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Aug 17, 2015 18:55
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circ dick soleil posted:White supremacists are by and large the worst examples of white genes you can find on the planet. Which is any better White people with blue eyes and blond hair that live inside the earth and use ufos or White people created to be the devils by a black scientist in 5000 BC
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Aug 17, 2015 18:56
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ArbitraryC posted:Because i don't think we should violently attack people peacefully assembling based on disagreements with their views? No, because you yourself have admitted that you're not progressive.
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Aug 17, 2015 18:57
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ArbitraryC posted:You cant have it both ways really, if you condone this kind of behavior now it's the same thing as condoning it over issues society hasn't quite progressed enough on. It's not like bad people do bad things cause they get off on being evil, it's because they think they're justified in their behavior due to how they view the people they're doing it to. I don't condone violence against fascists, but I do think blockading their displays of power is justified and that will often lead to violence. They might not believe themselves to be 'evil', but they also don't believe that what Hitler did was evil. Communities have a right to reject the ideology out of hand and prevent its proponents from attempting to build a following within it.
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Aug 17, 2015 18:58
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circ dick soleil posted:kindermord is a neo-nazi troll. communismo delenda est 
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Maybe we should take all facists and anti-facists and send them to some sort of camp.... some place we could "concentrate" them for lack of a better word.
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Aug 17, 2015 19:09
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If the fascists are being beat up by the anti-fascists, doesn't that just make the anti-fascists the real fascists? My brain hurts
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Aug 17, 2015 19:10
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corpuscollossus posted:I don't condone violence against fascists, but I do think blockading their displays of power is justified and that will often lead to violence. They might not believe themselves to be 'evil', but they also don't believe that what Hitler did was evil. Communities have a right to reject the ideology out of hand and prevent its proponents from attempting to build a following within it. Im not saying i think neo nazis are going to be heralded as civil rights figures 50 years from now but i do think when new important cultural issues are in their early stages we should have an environment where even those with views the majority oppose can nonviolently demonstrate and not be met with violence as a response. I do not personally trust society to ethically handle things by mob rule and i don't know how anyone who has taken a history class could.
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mdm posted:If the fascists are being beat up by the anti-fascists, doesn't that just make the anti-fascists the real fascists? My brain hurts the only real differences are in preference of early-20th century ideology and color of shirt
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mdm posted:If the fascists are being beat up by the anti-fascists, doesn't that just make the anti-fascists the real fascists? My brain hurts It means fascism is bad and should be opposed, no matter which way you slice it.
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mdm posted:If the fascists are being beat up by the anti-fascists, doesn't that just make the anti-fascists the real fascists? My brain hurts its honestly just a bunch of leftists beating the poo poo out of each other so im all for it
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Clemocracy posted:its honestly just a bunch of leftists beating the poo poo out of each other so im all for it Fascists aren't leftist.
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Aug 17, 2015 19:15
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ArbitraryC posted:I guess my point is if you look back historically to any social change there was a period where what we now see as the right side was the minority and the majority who opposed them thought they were in the moral right. They justified their atrocities etc by dehumanizing their victims and with the support of being the majority could get away with this behavior. I agree with you completely but
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ArbitraryC posted:I do not personally trust society to ethically handle things by mob rule Aren't you pro-GamerGate?
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Aug 17, 2015 19:17
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Makes me proud to be a Northerner, living only 15 miles from liverpool. We don't like nazis bc they bombed our chippy
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Aug 17, 2015 19:19
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A lot of people in this thread don't seem to get that most neo-nazi's think the holocaust was a giant hoax. The far right is ultimately the most annoying section of the political spectrum, since they're basically racist David Icke followers.
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Aug 17, 2015 19:20
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Nigel Farage posted:We do have Shariah in the Muslim controlled areas. We have about 100 Shariah law courts in Muslim controlled areas which are run by the Islamic Sharia Council. I literally live in one of the no-go zones and it's a dope neighborhood.
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lol ok... so I understand how american neonazis exist... germany didn't actually attack the united states landmass during ww2 and despite the country's collective jewish heritage, perhaps hitler had the right idea... but england was hosed by the hands of the nazis... and considering how much retarded brits like to dwell on the past... how are there people that idolize hitler
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so a small group of people fenced into a small area were easily assaulted by a large group of people that could move freely justice served
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