TRUMP: holy FUCK its november 8th

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1994 Toyota Celica: Sep 11, 2008; by Nyc_Tattoo

mastervj posted:

I can't be arsed to pay attention to yet another HRC scandal, unfortunately.

dunno why anyone needs to know more than "she used to sit on the board of directors for Wal-Mart" to stop supporting her frankly

# ? Aug 18, 2015 15:09

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# ? Jun 12, 2024 20:35

Dogstoyevsky: Oct 9, 2012; If there is no Dog, everything is permitted

Joementum posted:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/08/17/rel8a.-.gop.2016.pdf

One big thing about this poll, which I initially missed, is that Trump is now leading as 1st and 2nd choice amongst likely Republican voters. Meaning the traditional wisdom that support will consolidate primarily behind someone else once other candidates drop out is perhaps questionable?

PS Trump unfavorability is 59% wrap it up Trumpailures.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 15:10

Fuck You And Diebold: Sep 15, 2004; by Athanatos

zeal posted:

dunno why anyone needs to know more than "she used to sit on the board of directors for Wal-Mart" to stop supporting her frankly

Because that's a dumb reason to stop supporting her?

# ? Aug 18, 2015 15:12

Sulphagnist: Oct 10, 2006; WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

Feather posted:

All that stuff happened after months/years of raising hell, though. Rosa Parks didn't have any agenda other than "I can sit where I want on a public bus." The agenda of the BLM folks in that transcript is to get Hillary to acknowledge that there is a direct, unambiguous line running from her support for the racist prison and criminal "justice" system to the deplorable state of affairs today, and that action on that must be taken. That is a clear goal, a clear plan, a clear articulation of what Hillary--the person who seeks the power to do it--can pledge to do.

Rosa Parks was actually a long-time civil rights activist but this tends to get scrubbed away in high school history book hagiography.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 15:12

1994 Toyota Celica: Sep 11, 2008; by Nyc_Tattoo

gently caress You And Diebold posted:

Because that's a dumb reason to stop supporting her?

you can't honestly want someone evil enough to hold that post to possess control of the united states armed forces and nuclear weapons

# ? Aug 18, 2015 15:13

mdemone: Mar 14, 2001

zeal posted:

you can't honestly want someone evil enough to hold that post to possess control of the united states armed forces and nuclear weapons

Maybe you should do a little reading about why she sat on that board, and what policies she suggested while she did.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 15:15

sharknado slashfic: Jun 24, 2011

So if Trump wins the primary, does this mean in future elections Republicans will just give up dogwhistling entirely? If so I feel like we're sliding backwards.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 15:15

Nuclearmonkee: Jun 10, 2009

sharknado slashfic posted:

So if Trump wins the primary, does this mean in future elections Republicans will just give up dogwhistling entirely? If so I feel like we're sliding backwards.

Only if he wins. That's a big fuckin "if"

# ? Aug 18, 2015 15:16

Fuck You And Diebold: Sep 15, 2004; by Athanatos

zeal posted:

you can't honestly want someone evil enough to hold that post to possess control of the united states armed forces and nuclear weapons

Just sitting on the board doesn't mean poo poo, IIRC they wanted her to increase diversity. Did she actually do anything while on the board? Most of the positions are just "here take this money say you're on the board come to a meeting with catered food once a year" type things anyways. I wouldn't want to vote for anyone dumb enough to turn that down

# ? Aug 18, 2015 15:16

Grey Fox: Jan 5, 2004

DaveWoo posted:

Trump goes after Frank Luntz

I hope Trump nails that fucker to the wall

I doubt it--of all the acts in the Trump circus, this seems like the most contrived. Luntz is shameless enough to let big media names poo poo on him if it generates interest and attention for him (I'm reminded of when Colbert hired him to be the butt of a bunch of jokes).

# ? Aug 18, 2015 15:26

TheDisreputableDog: Oct 13, 2005

mlmp08 posted:

FWIW, while the whole Email thing seems extremely incompetent, she wasn't intentionally passing secret documents to her lover to keep that sweet sweet affair going and to get a super glowing biography.

loving Petraeus, man.

But to clarify - that's not what he was convicted for.

He was convicted, fined, and given probation in lieu of jail time for " unauthorized removal and retention of classified information" - keeping confidential material at his house.

This isn't a witch-hunt against Clinton, people up and down the chain are fired and prosecuted for less than this all the time - CIA director John Deutch was convicted for keeping confidential info on his laptop in the 90s (later pardoned by Bill). There are multiple cases of ground-level Homeland and armed forces employees facing consequences for putting sensitive information on thumb drives.

The only way I can see her staying clean from a legal perspective here is if a number of her aides (including Huma) take a fall for stripping out confidential tags on emails forwarded to her, but even then she'd have to somehow claim as SecState she didn't realize any of these hundreds of emails contained classified info.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 15:35

Fuck You And Diebold: Sep 15, 2004; by Athanatos

TheDisreputableDog posted:

But to clarify - that's not what he was convicted for.

He was convicted, fined, and given probation in lieu of jail time for " unauthorized removal and retention of classified information" - keeping confidential material at his house.

This isn't a witch-hunt against Clinton, people up and down the chain are fired and prosecuted for less than this all the time - CIA director John Deutch was convicted for keeping confidential info on his laptop in the 90s (later pardoned by Bill). There are multiple cases of ground-level Homeland and armed forces employees facing consequences for putting sensitive information on thumb drives.

The only way I can see her staying clean from a legal perspective here is if a number of her aides (including Huma) take a fall for stripping out confidential tags on emails forwarded to her, but even then she'd have to somehow claim as SecState she didn't realize any of these hundreds of emails contained classified info.

So far all the emails with sensitive data were ones sent to Clinton, not stuff she took and sent out, or put on a thumb drive or something. And the emails were tagged in any way to show they were classified. Getting an email is different from taking classified info home on a thumb drive and telling it to your mistress

# ? Aug 18, 2015 15:41

Hieronymous Alloy: Jan 30, 2009; Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!; Morbid Hound

sharknado slashfic posted:

So if Trump wins the primary, does this mean in future elections Republicans will just give up dogwhistling entirely? If so I feel like we're sliding backwards.

Well, there is a positive side also. There are left wing positions that the Republican base and Trump generally support, such as protecting social security, but that Republican elites disfavor and generally keep candidates from supporting.. So that's the silver lining.

Honestly, domestic policy wise, Trump is the least bad Republican. He's just a horror to contemplate on foreign policy, though.

Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Aug 18, 2015

# ? Aug 18, 2015 15:43

Spaceman Future!: Feb 9, 2007

TheDisreputableDog posted:

But to clarify - that's not what he was convicted for.

He was convicted, fined, and given probation in lieu of jail time for " unauthorized removal and retention of classified information" - keeping confidential material at his house.

This isn't a witch-hunt against Clinton, people up and down the chain are fired and prosecuted for less than this all the time - CIA director John Deutch was convicted for keeping confidential info on his laptop in the 90s (later pardoned by Bill). There are multiple cases of ground-level Homeland and armed forces employees facing consequences for putting sensitive information on thumb drives.

The only way I can see her staying clean from a legal perspective here is if a number of her aides (including Huma) take a fall for stripping out confidential tags on emails forwarded to her, but even then she'd have to somehow claim as SecState she didn't realize any of these hundreds of emails contained classified info.

The legality of it doesent really matter given her connections, she will be pardoned one way or another, the political reality of the situation is how it is spun. Given the current climate of federal security it could pretty easily be spun that a private email server was providing security through obscurity by not being related to federal infastructure, infastructure that has had several incredibly high profile hacks as of late.

I mean, if you think shes going down in any legal way from this I dunno what to tell you, any charges will be pardoned, the important thing about the Clinton emails is how her team handles the imaging and optics of her maintaining an independent mail database.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 15:45

TheDisreputableDog: Oct 13, 2005

gently caress You And Diebold posted:

So far all the emails with sensitive data were ones sent to Clinton, not stuff she took and sent out, or put on a thumb drive or something.

To be clear, every single email we're discussing now came from a thumb drive in her attorney's possession - the emails she decided to keep were all moved there before wiping the server.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 15:45

Fuck You And Diebold: Sep 15, 2004; by Athanatos

TheDisreputableDog posted:

To be clear, every single email we're discussing now came from a thumb drive in her attorney's possession - the emails she decided to keep were all moved there before wiping the server.

Yeah but wasn't this done because of the investigation?

# ? Aug 18, 2015 15:46

TheDisreputableDog: Oct 13, 2005

Spaceman Future! posted:

Given the current climate of federal security it could pretty easily be spun that a private email server was providing security through obscurity by not being related to federal infastructure, infastructure that has had several incredibly high profile hacks as of late.

I'm laughing so hard right now it's hard to see the keyboard through my tears.

Please try that angle, Clinton campaign.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 15:47

TheDisreputableDog: Oct 13, 2005

gently caress You And Diebold posted:

Yeah but wasn't this done because of the investigation?

Who cares why it was done? The fact that hundreds of classified pieces of data are sitting on a thumb drive in a lawyer's desk somewhere is demonstrative of exactly why there were regulations against doing official State Dept business via private email.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 15:50

Nuclearmonkee: Jun 10, 2009

TheDisreputableDog posted:

Who cares why it was done? The fact that hundreds of classified pieces of data are sitting on a thumb drive in a lawyer's desk somewhere is demonstrative of exactly why there were regulations against doing official State Dept business via private email.

hahaha

"GIEV US THE EMAIL"

"Here you go"

:byodood:

"OMG CLASSIFIED MATERIAL ON A THUMB DRIEVER !!@!?1"

# ? Aug 18, 2015 15:52

Spaceman Future!: Feb 9, 2007

TheDisreputableDog posted:

I'm laughing so hard right now it's hard to see the keyboard through my tears.

Please try that angle, Clinton campaign.

No one is going to cry if Clinton vaguely blames the big faceless federal government for having bad network security and the optics of it resonate with your average voter who only sees story after story about hacks recently. It makes no one politician or any member of her party look bad specifically while calling into question the security of agencies she can claim to improve if in office. Its a relatively safe play that is only really called into question at a technical level, and thats a level you lose mainstream voters at anyway so its not really a downside play so long as it doesn't come from her mouth that the justification for the server was the bad security she is scrutinizing, the links between the two have to be provided by third parties.

I mean, anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together understands that the private server was there just to obscure her communications from the intentional federal processes put in place and its shady as hell, there's not really any confusion on that, but the general electorate and people who actually evaluate these statements have a very small overlap.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 15:53

TheDisreputableDog: Oct 13, 2005

Nuclearmonkee posted:

hahaha

"GIEV US THE EMAIL"

"Here you go. I deleted a bunch that weren't relevant (trust me) and there's nothing classified here."

"OMG CLASSIFIED MATERIAL ON A THUMB DRIEVER !!@!?1"

# ? Aug 18, 2015 15:55

mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

Nuclearmonkee posted:

hahaha

"GIEV US THE EMAIL"

"Here you go"

"OMG CLASSIFIED MATERIAL ON A THUMB DRIEVER !!@!?1"

Yes?

I don't even want this to sink Clinton and don't think it will but pretending it is meaningless is pretty transparently partisan.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 15:58

Montasque: Jul 18, 2003; Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven

That CNN poll owns.

Trump is #1 on everything from fighting ISIS, to the economy, to social issues(lol).

Also Jeb! At 57% unfavorable is amazing. Keep it going Trump, you're a gift.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 16:02

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

Next to the Muslim foot bath, presumably.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 16:02

Ignite Memories: Feb 27, 2005

I mean, it's a great argument against Hilary w/r/t comparing her to bernie sanders. It's easy to see that one person does less shady things than the other. But when you compare "not using your email in a way that is acceptable" with "chomping at the bit for another endless war to never ever pay back", she ends up looking a lot better than the republican field.

That's why democrats don't care, mostly. Yea it wasn't legal what she did, but it's not 'killing a bunch of foreigners so your sugar daddies can sell some more lead' levels of unethical.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 16:03

Spaceman Future!: Feb 9, 2007

Joementum posted:

Next to the Muslim foot bath, presumably.

Where does one even get that many Muslim feet?

# ? Aug 18, 2015 16:04

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

Dogstoyevsky posted:

PS Trump unfavorability is 59% wrap it up Trumpailures.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 16:10

mastervj: Feb 25, 2011

Joementum posted:

Next to the Muslim foot bath, presumably.

Didn't Drudge know a lot about closets?

# ? Aug 18, 2015 16:10

Rocks: Dec 30, 2011

https://instagram.com/p/6h34CXGhcK/?taken-by=realdonaldtrump

lol

# ? Aug 18, 2015 16:22

Jealous Cow: Apr 4, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

A closet in a bathroom? Rich people.

Also....

Guess which candidate just said "I will only talk to white people about the very real problems."

hdawg

# ? Aug 18, 2015 16:23

TheDisreputableDog: Oct 13, 2005

Joementum posted:

Next to the Muslim foot bath, presumably.

Uh, please remember she was "dead broke" - a bathroom closet-cum-server room is obviously a must-have, but a foot bath is stretching it.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 16:26

Spaceman Future!: Feb 9, 2007

TheDisreputableDog posted:

Uh, please remember she was "dead broke" - a bathroom closet was clearly within reach, but a foot bath is stretching it.

a 36 cent plastic tub

# ? Aug 18, 2015 16:27

James Garfield: May 5, 2012; Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!

TheDisreputableDog posted:

But to clarify - that's not what he was convicted for.

He was convicted, fined, and given probation in lieu of jail time for " unauthorized removal and retention of classified information" - keeping confidential material at his house.

This isn't a witch-hunt against Clinton, people up and down the chain are fired and prosecuted for less than this all the time - CIA director John Deutch was convicted for keeping confidential info on his laptop in the 90s (later pardoned by Bill). There are multiple cases of ground-level Homeland and armed forces employees facing consequences for putting sensitive information on thumb drives.

The only way I can see her staying clean from a legal perspective here is if a number of her aides (including Huma) take a fall for stripping out confidential tags on emails forwarded to her, but even then she'd have to somehow claim as SecState she didn't realize any of these hundreds of emails contained classified info.

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2015/08/246080.htm posted:

QUESTION: And secondly, has the State Department been able to determine whether any classification markings may have been stripped from any of those documents from anyone within the State Department?

MR KIRBY: We have no indications that there were any – that there was at all any stripping of classification markings on these.

Yeah.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 16:27

OAquinas: Jan 27, 2008; Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.

Yeah, no one's going to take the fall for stripping here.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 16:36

Dogstoyevsky: Oct 9, 2012; If there is no Dog, everything is permitted

Joementum posted:

Totalizator posted:

So Hillary vs Trump would be an election between candidates >50% americans hate

Election 2016--

Dogstoyevsky fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Aug 18, 2015

# ? Aug 18, 2015 16:46

Fuck You And Diebold: Sep 15, 2004; by Athanatos

# ? Aug 18, 2015 16:53

Dogstoyevsky: Oct 9, 2012; If there is no Dog, everything is permitted

For fun, and because I hate when people lol at Clinton's favorability numbers out of context, here's everyone's favorability numbers that I could find on the HuffPo tracker (this is why Biden is here but not Chafee).

code:

Candidate	Favorability	Unfavorability	Net

Clinton		41.5		48.4		-6.9
Sanders		28		27.9		0.1
Biden		44.3		41.8		2.5

Trump		37.3		56.1		-18.8
Bush		33.5		45.5		-12
Walker		25.1		29.6		-4.5
Carson		27.7		24		3.7
Cruz		27		38.4		-11.4
Kasich		20.8		26.3		-5.5
Huckabee	28.5		42.5		-14
Christie	26		48.1		-22.1
Rubio		29.6		32.5		-2.9
Paul		31.4		38.6		-7.2

Pretty much everyone is underwater.

Edit: Forgot Rubio and Paul. GOP field of a lifetime, for sure.

Dogstoyevsky fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Aug 18, 2015

# ? Aug 18, 2015 16:59

baw: Nov 5, 2008; RESIDENT: LAISSEZ FAIR-SNEZHNEVSKY INSTITUTE FOR FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY

i remember seeing that even among GOP voters most of the republican candidates were underwater, i think rubio was the biggest exception with 54% favorability

# ? Aug 18, 2015 17:02

A GIANT PARSNIP: Apr 13, 2010; Too much fuckin' eggnog

Everyone loving hates everyone else, welcome to 2015.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 17:06

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baw: Nov 5, 2008; RESIDENT: LAISSEZ FAIR-SNEZHNEVSKY INSTITUTE FOR FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY

A GIANT PARSNIP posted:

Everyone loving hates everyone else, welcome to humanity.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 17:08

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