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Absorbs Smaller Goons posted:Here's a solution to the shower problem: Or an hour or two of freetime after everyone wakes up. My prisons do pretty well with a good amount of freetime throughout the day.
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So have they made dogs more lethal in the past few patches? I've lost 40 angry prisoners in the past two days to dogs that don't stop attacking when the prisoner goes unconscious, even when the handler is fine.
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Aug 18, 2015 00:15
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Met posted:Or an hour or two of freetime after everyone wakes up. The key difference between freetime and scheduled activities is prisoner control. Freetime lets them just handle their needs on their own time which means that you'll be less likely to see a bunch of prisoners with critically low needs being shoved into the same room at the same time. On the other hand, because they can wander all over the prison during free time, it means you'll need to make entirely separate facilities for your PC prisoners and (possibly) supermax as well. With scheduled activities like yard or shower time, you can have your PC prisoners make use of the canteens because all the other prisoners will be forced to go to a particular room. Having a more structured regime also lets you be a little more efficient with your deployment - you can have a couple of dogs that get assigned to the yard or such during yard time and easily sniff out anyone there, rather than needing a bunch of dogs all over the prison all the time.
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Aug 18, 2015 08:06
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Anyone think the Death Row Appeal system is a bit too lax? I've had about 10 Death Row inmates come through and all but one turned into Max Sec. (Speaking of which, make sure you get the mod that removes the Gang member tag from death row inmates so they can go to Parole.) That's a lot of convictions being overturned. Who the gently caress is the judge in this city? A robot that throws darts? Roger Goodell?
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Aug 18, 2015 08:26
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PantsFreeZone posted:Anyone think the Death Row Appeal system is a bit too lax? I've had about 10 Death Row inmates come through and all but one turned into Max Sec. (Speaking of which, make sure you get the mod that removes the Gang member tag from death row inmates so they can go to Parole.) I think the Brits who made the game are a little uncomfortable with the whole execution idea. The clemency rate is ridiculous. If they were being realistic though it would be like 0.2% or something. If they were being realistic though, prisoners would have to spend 15-25 years on death row before execution so a little creative license might not be such a bad thing. They probably don't want you turning your prison into a state sanctioned murder mill which is also why the rate of death row prisoners is so low.
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Aug 18, 2015 13:36
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Well, there's a difference between clemency and having your sentence commuted. Clemency comes from high government officials and is, yes, very rare. Sentence commuting in the game, however, is pretty normal from what I've seen for Western countries that still have capitol punishment. Most guys end up getting their sentence commuted to life, but that happens more often than not even in Texas nowadays because capitol punishment is so onerous for the state to adjudicate. It literally costs less to keep someone in prison for life than it does to execute them in America because there are so many legal challenges, the expert medical help is so expensive, and the drug cocktail is such a pain in the rear end to get right. So most people who are sentenced to death will later have their sentences commuted quietly by some appeal circuit judge after the public has stopped paying attention, because the department would prefer to use that money for other things.
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Aug 18, 2015 19:01
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So when a CI tells me about contraband hidden in a cell, is there anything I can actually do with that information? The cell is empty at the time, so I don't know whose it is, so I can't order a cell search. Does contraband I've been told about get automatically found on the next shakedown at least? It's driving me nuts that my CIs are going "yeah there's three cell phones in there" and I can't take action about it. Also wiping out cell phones is goddamn impossible, I've got all the other contraband at least well in control but these fuckers are swimming in phones.
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Aug 18, 2015 22:02
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Click on the bed, then "Search Cell". Should come right up.
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Aug 18, 2015 22:16
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Just make sure to wait until you've dismissed the CI to do it. They'll get loads of suspicion otherwise.
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Aug 18, 2015 22:42
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CapnAndy posted:So when a CI tells me about contraband hidden in a cell, is there anything I can actually do with that information? The cell is empty at the time, so I don't know whose it is, so I can't order a cell search. Does contraband I've been told about get automatically found on the next shakedown at least? It's driving me nuts that my CIs are going "yeah there's three cell phones in there" and I can't take action about it. I don't even bother with most contraband unless its tools which can lead to escapes. Also you can click on any item in the cell to search the cell. But yeah, don't do it while the CI is still at security.
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Aug 18, 2015 22:57
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A Pale Horse posted:They probably don't want you turning your prison into a state sanctioned murder mill which is also why the rate of death row prisoners is so low. But my prisons wind up being state sanctioned murder mills. And I don't even need an execution chamber to make it so. The prisoners do it for free. 
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Aug 19, 2015 03:36
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The Cheshire Cat posted:The key difference between freetime and scheduled activities is prisoner control. Freetime lets them just handle their needs on their own time which means that you'll be less likely to see a bunch of prisoners with critically low needs being shoved into the same room at the same time. On the other hand, because they can wander all over the prison during free time, it means you'll need to make entirely separate facilities for your PC prisoners and (possibly) supermax as well. With scheduled activities like yard or shower time, you can have your PC prisoners make use of the canteens because all the other prisoners will be forced to go to a particular room. Having a more structured regime also lets you be a little more efficient with your deployment - you can have a couple of dogs that get assigned to the yard or such during yard time and easily sniff out anyone there, rather than needing a bunch of dogs all over the prison all the time. My prisons are mixed and I don't make extensive use of snitches. I haven't played with Gangs though. I'm not exactly sure what snitches do for me. It's not important for me to know the attributes of individual prisoners. I just keep everyone happy and design things to not be exploitable by the prisoners as best as I can.
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Aug 19, 2015 05:03
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Met posted:My prisons are mixed and I don't make extensive use of snitches. I haven't played with Gangs though. Some prisoners will come into the prison with "Ex-Law Enforcement" or "Snitch" characteristics. These guys will get shanked by the other prisoners, usually at the first opportunity (especially if you have and max sec guys that come into contact with them). In my experience, the only way to keep them alive long term is to have a small separate wing for them. I guess maybe if your prison is very segregated and they only come into contact with min security prisoners, they may survive but it wouldn't work for me (I like to throw the occasional less psychotic gang members in min sec to help keep the gangs spread out and under control)
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Aug 19, 2015 12:03
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Inevitablelongshot posted:Some prisoners will come into the prison with "Ex-Law Enforcement" or "Snitch" characteristics. These guys will get shanked by the other prisoners, usually at the first opportunity (especially if you have and max sec guys that come into contact with them). In my experience, the only way to keep them alive long term is to have a small separate wing for them. I guess maybe if your prison is very segregated and they only come into contact with min security prisoners, they may survive but it wouldn't work for me (I like to throw the occasional less psychotic gang members in min sec to help keep the gangs spread out and under control) There is also the 'cop killer' trait which you'll want to lock up in a luxury cell or something so that they don't kick-off and get beaten to death by a guard.
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Aug 19, 2015 12:38
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I find snitches are useful for trying to rid my prison of needles - they're the only drug that can't be detected by sniffer dogs so they tend to get around a lot unless you do a regular shakedown every few nights, and prisoners just love to steal them from the infirmary during rehab treatment. I wish there was some sort of "checkpoint" object that you could place that would automatically flag anyone passing through it for a search, rather than having to rely on metal detectors or dogs which will only trigger on certain things.
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Aug 19, 2015 13:01
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I just search the cellblocks when they're in the yard.
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Aug 19, 2015 16:23
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ShootaBoy posted:Just make sure to wait until you've dismissed the CI to do it. They'll get loads of suspicion otherwise. More or less anything below gun, keys or pickaxe are not worth it, in my experience. And pickaxe only because it is a clear sign that this motherfucker tries to dig himself out and should be locked somewhere deep within the building. Everything else just shores up at some point because of fight, metal detector, dog or rolling block searches during the nighttime.
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Aug 19, 2015 16:25
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A checkpoint object would be really cool. Also the ability for mandatory searches of anything coming in, like the reception room but for goods.
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Aug 19, 2015 16:36
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The Cheshire Cat posted:unless you do a regular shakedown every few nights And why wouldn't you. Shakedown all night, every night.
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Aug 19, 2015 19:22
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Obfuscation posted:And why wouldn't you. Shakedown all night, every night. I rotate shakedowns. I'll shake a dorm down on average every third night and I haven't had an escape since the first few days of my prison with that strategy.
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Aug 19, 2015 19:30
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Inevitablelongshot posted:Some prisoners will come into the prison with "Ex-Law Enforcement" or "Snitch" characteristics. These guys will get shanked by the other prisoners, usually at the first opportunity (especially if you have and max sec guys that come into contact with them). CapnAndy fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Aug 19, 2015 |
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Picked this up over the weekend. Stayed up way too late last night trying to fail. I figured just making a massive holding cell stuffed it with beds, some toilets with showers on top, armed guards, and some dogs, then selecting ALL would cause a riot within hours, but several days passed with just the occasional murder during shakedowns (offsetting the min/normal schedules by 12 hours and putting murderers in solitary confinement forever might have helped stabilize the situation). Eventually I realized I would have to do more to fail, and set the regime to ALL YARD ALL THE TIME, and sure enough a riot started that killed caused 100 deaths. Still didn't fail the next day though (set everybody to freetime and there weren't 5 deaths), so I ended up just sacking all the guards and setting the regime to ALL YARD again (and making some holes in the wall), which eventually caused an uncontrolled riot. Still couldn't get the actual loss, as the train of hearses were backed up with no guards to load them, preventing the soldiers from pulling up.
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Aug 19, 2015 20:23
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CapnAndy posted:I really wish snitches and ex-LEO were more obvious and not buried behind two menus and a CI. If I don't manually inspect my intake every day they get stabbed before I can notice them; it's a loving hassle. With a good coverage CI snitches and ex-LEO will have a big red target over them (even if they've already been moved to PC), so you'll know who in your prison is marked for death by the inmates.
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Aug 19, 2015 21:46
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This game does desperately need more graphs and lists and stuff to sperg on. The menu is rather clunky as it is and it's insanely hard to find a specific prisoner/staff member.
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Aug 20, 2015 01:32
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The game could also REALLY do with some hot keys.
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Aug 20, 2015 02:26
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Splode posted:The game could also REALLY do with some hot keys. And saveable clone templates. Across saves/prisons I mean
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Aug 20, 2015 03:37
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Splode posted:The game could also REALLY do with some hot keys. Oh sweet Jesus, yes. Trying to build a basic office with the three required pieces of furniture should only take 9-12 key strokes and three mouse clicks, not the 18-20 key presses + 10 or so mouse clicks.
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Aug 20, 2015 04:14
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Would be nice too to skip the formality of doing all that research again
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Aug 20, 2015 09:26
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Absorbs Smaller Goons posted:This game does desperately need more graphs and lists and stuff to sperg on. The menu is rather clunky as it is and it's insanely hard to find a specific prisoner/staff member. I would just appreciate a prisoner "roster" where you could sort by things like name, or sentence, or last offence.
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Aug 20, 2015 15:53
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Last offence would be pretty useless, considering all prisoners commit crimes. Why would a min sec steal poo poo if his sentence expires the very next day, for example?
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Aug 20, 2015 16:35
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The Cheshire Cat posted:With a good coverage CI snitches and ex-LEO will have a big red target over them (even if they've already been moved to PC), so you'll know who in your prison is marked for death by the inmates. Also my PC boys are driving me up the loving wall. I made them their own canteen. I made them their own yard. Those places are protected. What do they do? Bumblefuck around and end up in the main yard so that anyone who's not currently working a job can come up and have a go after all. I REALIZE IT'S A SHARED ZONE BUT STAY IN YOUR PLACES, IDIOTS
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CapnAndy posted:Well yeah, that's exactly what I meant about being buried behind two menus and a CI. If I don't do that literally every day, my first indication that there's someone who needs protecting in my prison is when they get stabbed to death. Airlock the PC wing with Staff Only zones maybe?
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Aug 20, 2015 17:13
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Yeah, airlock the areas and don't use freetime. Prisoners will go to the nearest available yard, in terms of physical distance not pathing distance.
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Aug 20, 2015 18:20
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Airlocking isn't really feasible, it's a small prison that's just sorta grown around the original holding cell. The PCers are sharing a block with Death Row and I'd need to block off a regular cell block and one of the main walkways. It's something to think about when I sell and rebuild at Medium.
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Aug 20, 2015 18:28
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dogstile posted:Last offence would be pretty useless, considering all prisoners commit crimes. Why would a min sec steal poo poo if his sentence expires the very next day, for example? I was just thinking in a "wow, this guy's murdered 3 people since he's been in, maybe he should be supermax" kind of way. Once I get over 200 or so I start missing these things.
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There needs to be some sort of notification system that provides reports on what has happened in your prison. Kind of like Dungeon Keeper or Evil Genius. Something that will say "X was involved in a fight" "X has been released" "X, Y, Z have been found with contrabrand" or something along those lines. At the moment I feel a major disconnect between running the prison and actually understanding what happens in there. Everything is too convoluted if you didn't witness it happen. I.E finding out who has been in a fight is a case of either looking at the dead body and the persons sent to solitary.
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Does anyone know if we are getting 2 or 3 more updates with the official release in October? I hope they give us a few more rooms/production chains and not just bug bashes. I'd like the ability to set up an internet room and a jobs program. Also, the use of armed guards needs to be adjusted. They are almost pointless. I hire 2 for the grant, 1 extra and then only deploy them at the very last road gate on the N and S entrances. Using them anywhere else causes suppression spirals.
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Aug 21, 2015 00:23
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PantsFreeZone posted:Also, the use of armed guards needs to be adjusted. They are almost pointless. I hire 2 for the grant, 1 extra and then only deploy them at the very last road gate on the N and S entrances. Using them anywhere else causes suppression spirals.
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Aug 21, 2015 03:04
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Armed Guards are useful at the entrance to major cell block areas where prisoners shouldn't be on a regular basis (such as in front of the min-sec or the max-sec entrance or something), to grab an easy point or two of Punishment/Security without affecting the day-to-day, and are also useful in parole rooms, to keep people from kicking off if their parole gets denied. This is true regardless of your prison's ethos. They are also universally useful for patrolling cell blocks populated by a bunch of gang members (aka, the supermax/death row wing) because those guys never work or attend reform programs - eternal suppression is really the best thing you can ask for. Beyond that, they're undoubtedly more useful in prisons that are geared toward being about punishment hellholes, but is it really a surprise that jackbooted, barrel chested, shotgun toting thugs aren't terribly useful in situations where people are trying to work and learn?
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