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They dragon claw locks can be picked...only if you're the worst leader of the worst faction of the worst questline 
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Aug 19, 2015 20:39
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The point of traps is to use them against your enemies. When there's a few grouped together it is hilarious. Watching that idiot get ragdolled across the room a couple times like a pinball.
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Aug 19, 2015 22:12
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Duodecimal posted:The point of traps is to use them against your enemies. When there's a few grouped together it is hilarious. Watching that idiot get ragdolled across the room a couple times like a pinball. This dude knows what's up. First time I did Bleak Falls Barrow and led a Draugr into that spiked wall trap I did not stop laughing for a good five minutes at how stupid they were to walk straight into it. Imagine  but with Draugrs and Spiked Walls.
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Aug 19, 2015 23:19
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Lycus posted:The only whale-bird-snake puzzle that I sorta liked was the one where you had to get the sequence from a book. Other than that, those puzzles were so stupid. http://uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Yngol_Barrow I remember that one! Up until I read the wiki page just now, I thought in addition to reading the book first, you had to be sitting on the "man" throne and then have a follower flip the switch for it to work. Now, I also only sorta like it. Anyone remember this puzzle from Daggerfall? After taking hours to fully explore the dungeon and figure out the right combination of switches to drop the beams, your prize is to be immediately fried by a Lich that probably has 15 levels on you.
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Aug 19, 2015 23:41
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Duodecimal posted:The point of traps is to use them against your enemies. When there's a few grouped together it is hilarious. Watching that idiot get ragdolled across the room a couple times like a pinball. This was fun and all, but man Oblivion was more fun that way. Messing with the spike balls until they gained chaotic, wrathful sentience and luring bandits into them was the most fun because it's like a metal baseball and it sends 180 pound men into the air like nothing.
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Aug 20, 2015 07:36
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TresTristesTigres posted:Anyone remember this puzzle from Daggerfall? After taking hours to fully explore the dungeon and figure out the right combination of switches to drop the beams, your prize is to be immediately fried by a Lich that probably has 15 levels on you. Haha; yes! And that's why you made a custom class with absorb magic as a feature. That and also only using "area at range" spells and using them in close quarters so you're in their blast radius and you absorb your own spell's magicka back so that you get unlimited casting. Daggerfall had pretty great old school puzzles, that is to say, frustratingly hard and mostly based on your maze-navigating skills. Contrarily to today's puzzles which are just condescendingly easy. Puzzle design today really is "if it's not blindingly obvious, players are just going to alt-tab to gamefaqs and read a walkthrough, so make all your puzzles super easy". I also liked how the King of Worms sent messages in Daggerfall. You've got a zombiemail!
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Aug 20, 2015 08:52
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Cat Mattress posted:Daggerfall had pretty great old school puzzles, that is to say, frustratingly hard and mostly based on your maze-navigating skills. Contrarily to today's puzzles which are just condescendingly easy. Puzzle design today really is "if it's not blindingly obvious, players are just going to alt-tab to gamefaqs and read a walkthrough, so make all your puzzles super easy". 
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Aug 20, 2015 09:39
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Every year since binging it at release I reload Skyrim with 50gb of painstakingly selected mods and shaders and play up to the end of Bleak Falls Barrow before getting bored at Whiterun and deleting it from the pc. It's probably one of the best tutorial dungeons ever and the dragon claw is part of that.
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Aug 20, 2015 11:00
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Skyrim was really fun the first time I played it, but I tried going back and starting over and I just could not get back into the game at all. It's weird since I really liked it the first time through and I can go back and just play a shitload of Morrowind whenever the desire strikes, but if I want to play Skyrim, I get 20 minutes in and no further. Oh well.
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Aug 20, 2015 11:31
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1 800 J JAMES posted:Every year since binging it at release I reload Skyrim with 50gb of painstakingly selected mods and shaders and play up to the end of Bleak Falls Barrow before getting bored at Whiterun and deleting it from the pc. It's probably one of the best tutorial dungeons ever and the dragon claw is part of that. Bleak Falls Barrow is one of the only times the Draugr dungeon design makes sense. The door is locked, so outside there's just spiders and bandits, while all the Draugr are locked inside behind the claw door. Just don't think about the fact that all dungeons apparently have a convenient backdoor to the beginning.
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Aug 20, 2015 13:10
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Tasteful Dickpic posted:Bleak Falls Barrow is one of the only times the Draugr dungeon design makes sense. The door is locked, so outside there's just spiders and bandits, while all the Draugr are locked inside behind the claw door. The draugr actually start showing up long before the claw door. In fact, the claw door only blocks off the final room with the word wall. And convenient backdoors are certainly better than trudging all the way back through the dungeon.
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Aug 20, 2015 13:43
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Praetorian Mage posted:And convenient backdoors are certainly better than trudging all the way back through the dungeon. Yeah, thats one particular immersion-breaker I'll forgive. Plua at least most of the time in Skyrim it was some sort of secret door you have to open unlike a lot in oblivion where the dungeon just looped around to a ledge over the entrance
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Aug 20, 2015 14:27
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Duodecimal posted:The point of traps is to use them against your enemies. When there's a few grouped together it is hilarious. Watching that idiot get ragdolled across the room a couple times like a pinball. Yes. Back in the day, someone posted this in one of the skyrim threads of the old subforum:  I let the same thing happen when I got to that point. My Draugr ended up surviving all of that. In the end, he was knocked down a floor and straight into a closet.
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Aug 20, 2015 16:54
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Nth Doctor posted:Yes. At least the draugr have an excuse for being so stupid, being mindless undead and all. Lydia, on the other hand... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTMwjYgJsFQ
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Aug 20, 2015 17:22
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The big problem with bleak falls barrow is it buggers up the story if you go there before nerd wizard guy asks you to go there (by going into the riverwood trader instead of running straight to whiterun), because you never see the mysterious woman come to collect it i'm fairly sure i've seen reviews where that happened to them and they say that the dragonstone is a pointless maguffin that has nothing to do with the rest of the story vug fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Aug 20, 2015 |
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Aug 20, 2015 19:41
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vug posted:The big problem with bleak falls barrow is it buggers up the story if you go there before nerd wizard guy asks you to go there (by going into the riverwood trader instead of running straight to whiterun), because you never see the mysterious woman come to collect it You just miss out on a bit of foreshadowing. When you first meet Delphine she says "Hey, weren't you the one who found this originally?"
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Aug 20, 2015 19:56
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vug posted:The big problem with bleak falls barrow is it buggers up the story if you go there before nerd wizard guy asks you to go there (by going into the riverwood trader instead of running straight to whiterun), because you never see the mysterious woman come to collect it Wait, what?
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Aug 20, 2015 20:02
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Nth Doctor posted:Wait, what? If you visit Dragonsreach before picking up the Dragonstone, you'll hear a Very Mysterious Woman talking to Farengar about an Important Artifact she needs. The woman is Delphine and the artifact is the Dragonstone. It doesn't happen often because most of us go to Bleak Falls Barrow before heading to Whiterun, either because of the Golden Claw quest, or just because it's the first big, tempting ruin you see.
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Aug 20, 2015 20:10
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vug posted:The big problem with bleak falls barrow is it buggers up the story if you go there before nerd wizard guy asks you to go there (by going into the riverwood trader instead of running straight to whiterun), because you never see the mysterious woman come to collect it If you ask what it is, Farengar will tell you it's a map of ancient dragon burial sites, so whether you see Delphine there or not, you ought to be able to put two and two together when you do finally meet her and she's got a map of dragon burial sites. GrumpyDoctor posted:If you visit Dragonsreach before picking up the Dragonstone, you'll hear a Very Mysterious Woman talking to Farengar about an Important Artifact she needs. The woman is Delphine and the artifact is the Dragonstone. It doesn't happen often because most of us go to Bleak Falls Barrow before heading to Whiterun, either because of the Golden Claw quest, or just because it's the first big, tempting ruin you see. You're talking about when you return with the dragonstone if you didn't have it the first time you got to Whiterun, right? Or is there another meeting between them? My Q-Face fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Aug 20, 2015 |
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Aug 20, 2015 20:12
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Going back and playing Morrowind again today. For a long time playing this, I would always release the slaves when I could, but one time I accidentally clicked on no and the Khajiit was like "you have the key, will you let me go free?" No(oops) "badaargo is sorry, please do not punish poor badaargo", and something clicked and I lost all sympathy for them. Dammit, slaves, quit leaving scratch marks on the bed posts and quit running around without your clothes after you relieve yourselves!!!
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Aug 20, 2015 22:44
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GrumpyDoctor posted:If you visit Dragonsreach before picking up the Dragonstone, you'll hear a Very Mysterious Woman talking to Farengar about an Important Artifact she needs. The woman is Delphine and the artifact is the Dragonstone. It doesn't happen often because most of us go to Bleak Falls Barrow before heading to Whiterun, either because of the Golden Claw quest, or just because it's the first big, tempting ruin you see. Who the gently caress is delphine? I swear i've played skyrim for over 200 hours but i can't remember a single name Because the stories and npcs are all bad, yaknow
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Aug 20, 2015 23:27
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Krowley posted:Who the gently caress is delphine? I swear i've played skyrim for over 200 hours but i can't remember a single name The lady who wants you to kill Paarthurnax.
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Aug 20, 2015 23:28
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Cat Mattress posted:Daggerfall had pretty great old school puzzles, that is to say, frustratingly hard and mostly based on your maze-navigating skills. Contrarily to today's puzzles which are just condescendingly easy. Puzzle design today really is "if it's not blindingly obvious, players are just going to alt-tab to gamefaqs and read a walkthrough, so make all your puzzles super easy". TESII Mannimarco was truly a pioneer. And then you've got Raminus Polus sending Lex a Dremoragram in TESIV. Goddam wizards. Cat Mattress posted:And that's why you made a custom class with absorb magic as a feature. That and also only using "area at range" spells and using them in close quarters so you're in their blast radius and you absorb your own spell's magicka back so that you get unlimited casting. Ah piss now I have to figure out how to run Daggerfall in dosbox again
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Aug 20, 2015 23:43
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My Q-Face posted:If you ask what it is, Farengar will tell you it's a map of ancient dragon burial sites, so whether you see Delphine there or not, you ought to be able to put two and two together when you do finally meet her and she's got a map of dragon burial sites. I think she even outright tells you she used the Dragonstone to make her map if you ask her how she came to her conclusions.
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Aug 21, 2015 00:03
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TresTristesTigres posted:
Nah just go here and download daggerfallsetup.exe http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Files
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Aug 21, 2015 03:43
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Krowley posted:Who the gently caress is delphine? I swear i've played skyrim for over 200 hours but i can't remember a single name She's the important lady who is NOT voiced by Susan Ivanova.
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Aug 21, 2015 05:48
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She's the creepy lady that invites you into her secret basement because you can suck dragons souls
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Aug 21, 2015 06:33
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Nasgate posted:She's the creepy lady that invites you into her secret basement because you can suck dragons souls That reminds me: Does anyone else feel like the Elder Scrolls games are too casual with souls? Normally you'd have to go to some kind of existential horror story to see as much fuckery with a being's immortal essence as you find in the Elder Scrolls universe.
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Aug 21, 2015 10:17
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vug posted:The big problem with bleak falls barrow is it buggers up the story if you go there before nerd wizard guy asks you to go there (by going into the riverwood trader instead of running straight to whiterun), because you never see the mysterious woman come to collect it This is a good thing actually, because in every single other dungeon in the game, if there is a quest thing inside, it will be completely locked or walled off until you talk to the right dude. Sure, they could have laid it out better so that you have a better chance of getting the encounter, but talking to npcs to unlock quests is annoying and lazy.
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Aug 21, 2015 10:25
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I think it's a bit hyperbolic to say it buggers up the story. I've did the barrow first my first time, and I didn't give the dragonstone a second thought. I saw the Delphine scene on a later playthrough, I didn't miss anything.
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Aug 21, 2015 12:06
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Praetorian Mage posted:That reminds me: Does anyone else feel like the Elder Scrolls games are too casual with souls? Normally you'd have to go to some kind of existential horror story to see as much fuckery with a being's immortal essence as you find in the Elder Scrolls universe. If it makes you feel better once everything else, all thought and memory and emotion is burned away all the emptied out souls fly off to the edge of the universe, get scraped clean and autoclaved pure, then sent back into Nirn for another go round (maybe... it's not 100% clear what happens to souls trapped in Daedric realms and that's not getting into Talos & Vivec, who started off with at least one mortal soul)
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Aug 21, 2015 12:21
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But but but the Soul Cairn  wtf was that anyway
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Aug 21, 2015 12:47
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Souls and soul gems are pretty interesting and terrifying in the Elder Scrolls. Spoilers for some nest stuff related to the ESO main story; It's stated that Molag Bal is really eager to learn more about soul gems, which was interesting to me. And Mannimarco's big plan is to betray Molag Bal, kill him, and use the Amulet of Kings (which he insists is actually the biggest soul gem in existence) to steal his soul and achieve godhood. Like Mankar Cameran, Mannimarco is probably wrong about quite a few things, but its still interesting to hear.
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Aug 21, 2015 14:19
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Rough Lobster posted:Souls and soul gems are pretty interesting and terrifying in the Elder Scrolls. It was a soul gem, at least. The first Empress was in it until Martin went super-saiyan on Dagon.
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Aug 21, 2015 14:46
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Will Jiub just hang around in Purple Farltand until the Ninth era or is there any kind recycler in the Soul Cairn?
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Aug 21, 2015 15:16
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Another game where souls and soul gems play an important role is in Redguard where Prince A'tor had his soul (mostly)willingly placed into a soul gem to "survive" his body being poisoned during a pivotal battle against Tiber Septim forces, so that he could later have his body cured and his soul imbued back so that he could take up arms again. Needless to say, things don't exactly go to plan, but he still manages to help the protagonist, Cyrus. Who's apparently an important character in C0DA, but I haven't read it so I don't know for certain.
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Aug 21, 2015 16:24
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So I tried Daggerfall now that it's freeware and able to run on modern systems and... Died on the first rat because I didn't know you had to hold down the attack button and move your mouse. After I figured that out I conquered my old foe and died to a bat.
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Aug 21, 2015 20:38
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Daggerfall is pretty cool but it is really rough in this day and age. Good luck.
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Aug 21, 2015 20:54
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At the same time, the project to remake Daggerfall in Unity is apparently going surprisingly well. http://www.dfworkshop.net/category/daggerfall-tools/daggerfall-unity/
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Col. Roy Campbell posted:So I tried Daggerfall now that it's freeware and able to run on modern systems and... Assuming you ever make it to the third monster I hope you didn't gently caress up your characters background choices.
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