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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

CobiWann posted:

Well, with a name like Pussy Galore...

I remember Roger Moore telling a pretty hilarious story about when he was playing The Saint and somebody asked if him and the other "super-spies" like Sean Connery and Patrick Macnee went out on the town together. He says of course they do, and the guy asks him,"....Pussy Galore?" and Moore responds,"Well we don't go looking for it....."

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Dr. Gene Dango MD
May 20, 2010

Fuck them other cats I'm running with my own wolfpack

Keep fronting like youse a thug and get ya dome pushed back
The Enemy of the World is really good. Like, top five Troughton good. I am very thankful this one showed up again.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

Dr. Gene Dango MD posted:

The Enemy of the World is really good. Like, top five Troughton good. I am very thankful this one showed up again.

Yeah, I'm so glad this one was the one recovered in its entirety. Troughton's performance is incredibly fun to watch and it benefits so much from having visuals again.

Forktoss
Feb 13, 2012

I'm OK, you're so-so
Enemy of the World shot straight up my list of best Troughtons as soon as I could see it in its entirety, it's so good. So much so that it made The Web of Fear feel almost a bit underwhelming compared to it.

Pesky Splinter posted:

There's some good scenes in there, but it's the typical uneven BF quality; the first story is good, but it's practically stand-alone. The second's pretty garbage (Reverse werewolves, seriously?). The third is alright, but feels like it needs expanding on (it could have also been the main introduction story really). And the final one...starts off strong, flags in the middle, and then it seems like everything is rather rushed towards the end; the real standout is Baker's regeneration scene. I dunno really, the thing as a whole is ok, but lacks polish.

Yeah, the second one isn't great, but there's some good Charley stuff in there. The final one gets messy at points, too, but Colin does wonders with the big speeches. The very end is definitely a rush, though, and I have to say I completely lost my way a couple of times and am still not entirely sure what happened and why. Mel was hardly even in the last one, too, and passes out before Six can even say so much as a goodbye to her (though I suppose Time and the Rani is to blame for this). I thought the Valeyard was handled surprisingly well, though (aside from the dumb black ops stuff), and his scenes with the Doctor alone carry a lot of the third and fourth episodes. He's way better here than he was in Trial, that's for sure.

Forktoss fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Aug 20, 2015

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

Pesky Splinter posted:

Sticking behind a link to avoid open spoilers in the thread.
Spoilers!
VVV
:siren: The Last Adventure :siren:
^^^
Spoilers!

This makes knocking himself out on the console look dignified by comparison.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

𝅘𝅥𝅮 I wanna go home with the armadillo
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
𝅘𝅥𝅮
There's always Spiral Scratch for the last Sixth Doctor story.

Forktoss
Feb 13, 2012

I'm OK, you're so-so

CaptainYesterday posted:

There's always Spiral Scratch for the last Sixth Doctor story.

Or Time's Champi:unsmigghh:

vegetables
Mar 10, 2012

jivjov posted:

It's certainly better than "whoops I fell down and now I'm McCoy."

I don't really agree with this; no story at all is better than an aggressively bad one. It's not like an epic send-off which comments on how great the outgoing Doctor was is even in keeping with most regeneration stories, which tend to be about how they were flawed in some way the new one will not be. In a weird way I find an approach that sounds like it's not about the current Doctor's failings to be a more disrespectful way of handling things; on some level it feels like they know the Sixth Doctor isn't actually massively popular and so aren't prepared to have a story in which there is an implied criticism of the character. I guess that's a choice some people will love, but it's not one I feel any urge to spend money listening to.

FreezingInferno
Jul 15, 2010

THERE.
WILL.
BE.
NO.
BATTLE.
HERE!
I finally got around to starting Dark Eyes 3.

I forgot how much I love Alex McQueen's performance in these.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

FreezingInferno posted:

I finally got around to starting Dark Eyes 3.

I forgot how much I love Alex McQueen's performance in these.

Oh! Hello, you... I'm just finishing up Dark Eyes 3! :hfive:

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?



Short Synopsis: The Doctor and Lucie meet one of those couples who become almost indistinguishable from each other.

Long Synopsis: The Doctor and Lucie take a little vacation time at a B&B run by Lucie's Auntie Pat, who seems to be doing far better for herself than Lucie ever thought she did. Pat's husband gets a visit from some old business associates who want to put the band back together. The local wet nurse is in high demand, and there is a pretty hosed up tribute to end things.

What's Good:

  • Continuity. Pat first appeared in The Horror of Glam Rock, Lucie's Aunt from a time when she was the hip young musician trying to make it in the industry, long before Lucie was born. In that story, Lucie unfortunately lets slip that Pat never made it, that she lived a quiet and unremarkable life and that none of her dreams came true. It was an oddly downbeat note for a one-off character with such a close connection to Lucie, so her return in this story works in a couple of different ways. First, it allows us to bypass the "getting to know you" stage with a new character because we're already familiar with Pat (if we listened to season one). Secondly, it raises questions - if Pat never made anything of her life and lived out a pleasant if utterly boring life.... then how come she's currently running a successful B&B in the Lake District with a former folk music star and apparently a reasonable success both personally and professionally? This is the initial mystery of the piece, and it is aided by the pre-existing tension between the characters - Pat and Lucie know each other from their shared experience in the previous story, but Lucie is the niece that hasn't been born yet, and this Auntie Pat is a complete stranger in comparison to the one Lucie knows. Their connection feels false to them, they have a familial bond that doesn't yet exist, and Pat in particular highly distrusts their disruptive presence. That underlying sense of,"Something isn't quite right here" tension permeates the entire story, and I'd argue this a good thing.

  • Communication. As the title so clearly gives away, there is a Zygon in this story. When the Doctor discovers that Trevor is not human, he immediately moves to inform Pat of the danger she is in.... and discovers that she wasn't paying lip-service to the idea of open communication in marriage. She is completely aware of Trevor's true self and rather blase about it, judging him purely by his character rather than his species. It is a mostly refreshing take on things, normally even in the most positive portrayal you'd have the alien not tell the truth to their partner about being an alien to "protect them" or because they were scared of being rejected. Trevor and Pat turn out to be exactly what they seemed to be - a happily married couple who know each other very well and are entirely comfortable with each other warts (and suckers) and all. When the Doctor is incredulous about this, Pat's non-plussed reminder that she once spent the night in a gas station being attacked by otherworldly creatures precludes her being surprised by the revelation of alien lifeforms being among us is pretty great.

  • Sheridan Smith gets to stretch her range. Lucie by this point is a well established character, but like in the otherwise disappointing Skull of Sobek, she gets to play around within the confines of this role a bit in this story. Investigating Trevor's old business associates, she runs afoul of, of course, an alien plot and gets abducted. Replaced by an imposter, Smith gets to play Lucie as portrayed by somebody who knows everything about her but has to fake the personality/character. So you get a (deliberately) awkwardly paced manner of speech, of little pauses and hesitations as she reviews what she knows and attempts to maintain the pretence of being somebody she is not. There are little slip-ups and mistakes, she knows things she shouldn't, reacts in ways that are odd to those who know her (only really the Doctor, in this case) and her idea of being aggressive/no-nonsense is completely different from the way the real Lucie does the same thing. There are problems, but they're mostly with the writing as opposed to the performance, and for the actor it must have been nice to get to play around a bit with the portrayal of a by now very familiar character.

What's Not:

  • The fake Lucie. Despite the fact I think it's a neat thing for the actual actor to get to change up the way she portrays her character, the writing lets the side down. Fake Lucie is too shrill, too easily lets drop knowledge she shouldn't have or ask deeply suspicious questions. Even with the listener having the knowledge that she is a fake, it beggars belief that the Doctor wouldn't notice something was up with Lucie and put 2+2 together, especially since he is entirely aware there are Zygons about. It seems so obvious that I ran with the assumption that the Doctor figured it out almost immediately and just played along to see what happened next, but late in the story when he DOES expose her as a fake, he makes it clear that he has only just figured this out. The less than impressive writing makes the character look dumb, easy to say when we have access to explicit information that he doesn't, but the Doctor is supposed to be smarter than that.

  • Trevor's associates. The former colleagues of Trevor are pretty poorly written and their performances are nothing to write home about. You can only do so much with the material given anyway, and while I don't think Paul Magrs is a bad writer, nothing of his I have heard so far has ever managed to get itself about "mostly okay, I guess" status. The trio of villains are campy, but not campy enough, and sadly a minor plot point that seems to be pointing towards at least one of them developing "human" feelings for the other never really goes anywhere, though it would have been a nice parallel/contrast with Trevor and Pat's relationship. They just kind of hang around being sibilant and discussing their evil plans for evil, which makes them feel one-dimensional and not a little pathetic. This may have been the intended effect, but in that case it was perhaps too successful, as they are tiresome, annoying to listen to, and hardly feel like a threat at all no matter how much the story attempts to up the stakes.

  • The ending. Though I believe it was intended to be sweet/a tribute, I was pretty appalled by the ending to this story. It answers questions that attempt to reconcile the Pat we've seen in this story and the previous with the one Lucie grew up knowing, and though it is successful in this regard it also pretty goddamn horrific in how it is done. It is a disservice to the person it intends to pay tribute too, and effectively negates them entirely and turns the entire thing around to being all about the other character entirely, about their thoughts and feelings, their grief, the impact events had on THEIR lives. That's not the intention at all, in fact it is put together to suggest it is the very opposite, that it is a selfless act and a mark of atonement, a suffering in tribute to the memory of somebody else. But for me the execution is handled very poorly, and with only a little rewriting it could have been handled more tactfully and perhaps been more palatable.

Final Thoughts:

The Zygon Who Fell to Earth is a troubling story with a less than satisfying conclusion. With poorly handled/written bad guys, the Doctor being uncharacteristically dim at times, and a well-intentioned but poorly handled ending "twist" that left me feeling disturbed, it is not a story I can really recommend. Especially since it follows up on the excellent Grand Theft Cosmos, which reinvigorated my flagging enthusiasm for the Eighth Doctor Adventures, only for this story to drag it back down again. A disappointment.

Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Aug 21, 2015

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)
Without spoiling too much, the ending of Zygon will have consequences down the line.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Well on the one hand I think that's cool that they are willing to go for callbacks and later development of characters etc, but to make that work they need to make each story also work as a standalone. I do think they failed in that regard in this story, it wasn't all that great and the ending left a very bad taste in my mouth.

Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 10:58 on Aug 21, 2015

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
In a development that may be very detrimental to many people's free time soon, Big Finish have started putting their stuff up on Audible. No direct Who stuff thus far, mainly Blake's 7 and Dark Shadows, with a smattering of other stuff, notable one of the more recent seasons of the Benny series.

Psybro
May 12, 2002
Everyone should talk about how great Logopolis is imo, in particular how The Master nearly destroys the universe because he has this wicked plan and when people say 'No, don't, you'll destroy the universe', he's like 'Pfffffft NAH'.

Also that scene with Nyssa and "Logopolis is a cold high place overlooking the universe" is Anthony Ainley's finest hour before it all goes badly wrong for him.

We'll ignore anything to do with Tegan and the 80s understanding of what a supercomputer might look like.

Psybro fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Aug 21, 2015

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

Psybro posted:

Everyone should talk about how great Logopolis is imo, in particular how The Master nearly destroys the universe because he has this wicked plan and when people say 'No, don't, you'll destroy the universe', he's like 'Pfffffft NAH'.

Also that scene with Nyssa and "Logopolis is a cold high place overlooking the universe" is Anthony Ainley's finest hour before it all goes badly wrong for him.

We'll ignore anything to do with Tegan and the 80s understanding of what a supercomputer might look like.

Ainley gets Castrovalva as well to be fair to him. I'd argue his Master appearances are solid while Bidmead is in the script chair. He's a cartoon after that for sure though.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Actually, Timeflight is the only time Ainley is bad in any way

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
Ainley does a really solid job of being genuinely believably malicious and cruel in Survival.

Rochallor
Apr 23, 2010

ふっっっっっっっっっっっっck
Logopolis also has one of the, if not the best, soundtracks of the series. It's this wonderful, bizarre little fairy tale and it's a great note for Baker to go out on. The whole season, really, is just of exceptional quality.

egon_beeblebrox
Mar 1, 2008

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.



Rochallor posted:

Logopolis also has one of the, if not the best, soundtracks of the series. It's this wonderful, bizarre little fairy tale and it's a great note for Baker to go out on. The whole season, really, is just of exceptional quality.

JNT's Tom Baker season is his best to me. I don't like much of Five's run, Six is a trainwreck, and about half of Seven's run does nothing for me. All good Doctors, just a bunch of dull and/or bad stuff surrounding them sometimes.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

I love that the Master accidentally sets off a chain reaction that will bring about the end of the universe, realizes what he has done and works eagerly with the Doctor to find the solution.... and then once he has the solution tries to use it to blackmail the universe into paying up :xd:

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

DoctorWhat posted:

Ainley does a really solid job of being genuinely believably malicious and cruel in Survival.

The best part about that is that it's all really hammy dialogue in a serial about interdimentional cats but Ainley swims against the current the entire time and delivers every single line with the loving malevolence of a serial killer.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
it's the only time the Ainley Master makes any sort of sense as carrying on from Crispy

IceAgeComing
Jan 29, 2013

pretty fucking embarrassing to watch
I personally think that the last series of Classic Doctor Who should be seen as among the best series ever.

Battlefield is incredibly silly but it manages to work somehow and I really like how the Brigadier is treated in it, Ghost Light and the Curse of Fenric are very very good and Survival is also the right kind of silly Doctor Who story. Although I really like the Seventh Doctor and Ace (the first classic Who episode I saw was a copy of Remembrance of the Daleks that my parents got me as a Christmas present) so I'm not exactly objective.

Psybro
May 12, 2002

Rochallor posted:

Logopolis also has one of the, if not the best, soundtracks of the series. It's this wonderful, bizarre little fairy tale and it's a great note for Baker to go out on. The whole season, really, is just of exceptional quality.

I was actually playing my housemate the wonderfully out-of-place porno music bit from Part Four when they're running across the field at the Pharos Project. It's all synthy organs and then suddenly you've got bass and wah-wah guitar, it's hilarious.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!
Battlefield is great because of the Last Stand of the Brigadier.

quote:

DESTROYER: Ah, little man. What do you want of me?
BRIGADIER: Get off my world.
DESTROYER: Pitiful. Can this world do no better than you as their champion?
BRIGADIER: Probably. I just do the best I can.

Rochallor
Apr 23, 2010

ふっっっっっっっっっっっっck
All of Seven's run is really of remarkable quality. The only story that's actually, outright, not good is Time and the Rani, and even that's still better than like half of Six's episodes.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Seven's run has also got beautiful disasters like Paradise Towers and The Happiness Patrol where they don't quite work but you can absolutely see what they were going for and just how close they came to getting it right.

Rochallor
Apr 23, 2010

ふっっっっっっっっっっっっck

Jerusalem posted:

Seven's run has also got beautiful disasters like Paradise Towers and The Happiness Patrol where they don't quite work but you can absolutely see what they were going for and just how close they came to getting it right.

Maybe The Happiness Patrol to a degree, but Paradise Towers is basically perfect. I wouldn't change a thing about it.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

Rochallor posted:

All of Seven's run is really of remarkable quality. The only story that's actually, outright, not good is Time and the Rani, and even that's still better than like half of Six's episodes.

Four words; Delta and the Bannermen.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

Rochallor posted:

Maybe The Happiness Patrol to a degree, but Paradise Towers is basically perfect. I wouldn't change a thing about it.

Not even the long "cleaner bot drives down a corridor" sequences?

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
Paradise Towers is one where you can really feel the "we can't be too scary" edict- there are a lot of weird, 2000 AD-esque elements in the story that could be really disturbing, but of course they have the villain really play things for laughs, you've got the computer shouting HUNGRY!, and there's rarely a sense of genuine menace. It's not a bad story (Red Kangs are best!) but it has its flaws- and also might have worked better as a three parter.

It is interesting to see how the influence of contemporary SF was creeping in those last seasons.

Trin Tragula
Apr 22, 2005

Rochallor posted:

Logopolis also has one of the, if not the best, soundtracks of the series. It's this wonderful, bizarre little fairy tale and it's a great note for Baker to go out on. The whole season, really, is just of exceptional quality.

Love those Radiophonic Workshop scores from the 80s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciXACtP92zg

If this seems to have a vaguely familiar quality, it may be because this one was done by Paddy Kingsland, who also did the music for The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!
I've posted before about how much I love State of Decay, when I still had time to do my detailed breakdowns

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

IceAgeComing posted:

I personally think that the last series of Classic Doctor Who should be seen as among the best series ever.

Battlefield is incredibly silly but it manages to work somehow and I really like how the Brigadier is treated in it, Ghost Light and the Curse of Fenric are very very good and Survival is also the right kind of silly Doctor Who story. Although I really like the Seventh Doctor and Ace (the first classic Who episode I saw was a copy of Remembrance of the Daleks that my parents got me as a Christmas present) so I'm not exactly objective.

It's certainly one of my favourites ("Remembrance" was also the first Classic Who story I saw). I think the McCoy era actually managed to foreshadow a lot of what RTD did in the first season of the revival.

Also (since I'm thinking of "Battlefield" and "Remembrance", and therefore Aaronovitch), I've been thinking you could probably cast a Rivers of London adaptation entirely from Doctor Who alumni. Aaronovitch has already said, I believe, that he pictures Nightingale as Paul McGann, for instance. :D

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

MrL_JaKiri posted:

I've posted before about how much I love State of Decay, when I still had time to do my detailed breakdowns
It's one of my favourites too, and not just because it was one of the first stories I saw.

The music reminds me of old adventure games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6elAeX07I4

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Doctor Spaceman posted:

The music reminds me of old adventure games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6elAeX07I4

That's a Lucasarts soundtrack if I ever heard one.

Also?

:siren: FOUR WEEKS TO GO :siren:

egon_beeblebrox
Mar 1, 2008

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.



Hey, guys, that TARDIS Wikia, huh?

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Posterior

According to Susan Foreman's diary, Francis Minto shoved a protractor into Gillian Roberts's buttocks in mid-March 1963, and she destroyed her desk in rage. Mr Grange strapped her three times across the palm of her hand for vandalising school property.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!

egon_beeblebrox posted:

Hey, guys, that TARDIS Wikia, huh?

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Posterior

According to Susan Foreman's diary, Francis Minto shoved a protractor into Gillian Roberts's buttocks in mid-March 1963, and she destroyed her desk in rage. Mr Grange strapped her three times across the palm of her hand for vandalising school property.

Now, I'm not saying I'm going to ask Wendy Padbury to sign my copy of The Mind Robber at ReGenerationWho next year, but...

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PriorMarcus
Oct 17, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT BEING ALLERGIC TO POSITIVITY

egon_beeblebrox posted:

Hey, guys, that TARDIS Wikia, huh?

Oh, what could've been...

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