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I'm looking at the 10 team 0 ppr (2rb,3wr,1te,1flx) beer sheet and it shows Gronk's value at 5.1. That puts 10 RB's, 6 WR's, and 1 QB ahead of him. Is this saying Gronk should be drafted behind all of them? I just find it odd that McCoy (and a few others) are valued above Gronk.
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Aug 22, 2015 18:28
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In 0 PPR, yeah, might be. RBs are huge in those formats.
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Aug 22, 2015 18:30
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Remind me tomorrow and I will make you a sheet. 
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Aug 22, 2015 19:05
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Since we're talking about modifying crap in excel, does anybody know how to adjust auction values based on players being kept (since it removes points and dollars from the league)?
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Aug 22, 2015 19:11
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ESPN may have the worst predictive scoring I've ever seen. Basically every wide receiver is going to get at least 10 points a week because they're basically guaranteed a touchdown right?
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Aug 22, 2015 19:12
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ZIGfried posted:ESPN may have the worst predictive scoring I've ever seen. Basically every wide receiver is going to get at least 10 points a week because they're basically guaranteed a touchdown right? In PPR that just means like 5 catches for 50 yards
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Aug 22, 2015 19:16
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Ya, I am just going to use Beer Sheets, because I am not going into the draft using the Yahoo rankings like I always used to. Thanks guys for telling me how dumb the standard ratings are.
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Aug 22, 2015 19:22
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ESPN doesn't seem to cross-compare scoring projections, though, so you'll get a QB projected to have 18 points and then you add up his WRs and they're supposed to earn 40 total between them or something stupid like that.
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Aug 22, 2015 19:25
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RCarr posted:I'm looking at the 10 team 0 ppr (2rb,3wr,1te,1flx) beer sheet and it shows Gronk's value at 5.1. That puts 10 RB's, 6 WR's, and 1 QB ahead of him. Is this saying Gronk should be drafted behind all of them? I just find it odd that McCoy (and a few others) are valued above Gronk.
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Aug 22, 2015 19:29
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OK, In my league their SHOULD be 12 QBS 48 RBS 48 WRS and 12 TES starting. That is ideal, but there are 2 RB 3 WR 2 WR/RB 1 WR/TE and 1 TE. I think I am going to get some LEGIT projections, go with those numbers for an average, do the same thing I did before for each group, but this time TE will be its own grouping. Should give a more relevant sampling, then do the same thing with about 30 or so bench RBS and WRS and maybe 10 TES and QBS. If a TE and other position is cloudy will just go by projected points, but won't be drafting a back up unless VALUE! appears with my formula, but it would have to be pretty huge.
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Aug 22, 2015 20:05
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I didn't see a master list for Beer Sheets on the first page. Does somebody have a link? Gotta get my auction draft on and I wanna check to see if one matches my league before I request a new one.
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Aug 22, 2015 20:50
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cheese posted:Gronk is the clear #1 TE, but TE's just dont score that much. His 178 standard points last year put him as RB#9 and WR#10. I want someone with the #1 pick who can score 230+ points in a season and the TE ceiling as we know it is just too low. Isn't it not so much how many points he can score, but how many more points he can score compared to the next best option available?
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Aug 22, 2015 21:05
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Reik posted:Isn't it not so much how many points he can score, but how many more points he can score compared to the next best option available? Absolutely it is. Otherwise you'd always draft your QB in the first round.
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Aug 22, 2015 21:09
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Papes posted:Evans > Hilton > cooks Hilton/Evans > Cooks, really
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Aug 22, 2015 21:11
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:I didn't see a master list for Beer Sheets on the first page. Every year he makes them and every year I say "goddamnit beer put them in the OP" BeerSheets 2015-08-21
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Aug 22, 2015 21:12
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Reik posted:Isn't it not so much how many points he can score, but how many more points he can score compared to the next best option available? Which in a non-PPR is even less of a difference and even more of a reason to not draft a TE ever ever ever
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Aug 22, 2015 21:25
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Dandy Kaiser posted:Which in a non-PPR is even less of a difference and even more of a reason to not draft a TE ever ever ever Gronk the third or wait on TE in non ppr.
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Aug 22, 2015 21:34
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RCarr posted:I'm looking at the 10 team 0 ppr (2rb,3wr,1te,1flx) beer sheet and it shows Gronk's value at 5.1. That puts 10 RB's, 6 WR's, and 1 QB ahead of him. Is this saying Gronk should be drafted behind all of them? I just find it odd that McCoy (and a few others) are valued above Gronk. Yeah that's what it's saying. He's decidedly first tier, but TE is pretty devalued particularly in standard leagues. Michael Corleone posted:Thanks, probably better than this, whatever this IS. I always liked excel and started f'ing with it to make power ranking for my fantasy baseball league, now I am an addict. Basically, ESPN projected scoring, I adjusted the QB TD's to six, ran the average of each position group, then divided a players points by that, that is the last column, where 1 is average for the sample which was like 300 players, but then I did it by position group. IDK, whatever. Yours is probably MUCH better, but I like to have fun too! Eh, missed taking McCown out of flex but you get the point. https://www.dropbox.com/s/gxkkq7ylyx5ce3c/Michael%20Corleone.xlsx?dl=0 JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:I didn't see a master list for Beer Sheets on the first page. OP updated. Spoeank posted:Since we're talking about modifying crap in excel, does anybody know how to adjust auction values based on players being kept (since it removes points and dollars from the league)? The way auction values work is you sum up the total available auction dollars [TEAMS*(POOL - ROSTER SIZE)], divide that by the sum of positive player value in the pool, multiply that by the projected value of each player, and add $1 for the minimum bid. So in the case of keepers you would subtract the value and auction price from both pools and recalculate. Beer4TheBeerGod fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Aug 22, 2015 |
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Aug 22, 2015 21:42
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Thank you! Is the VAL the same for all position groups, ie; can I sort them by overall VAL to create a 'Big Board'? Thanks again.
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Aug 22, 2015 21:49
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In my 10 person 1 ppr I've been talking myself into gronk at 13. Now everyone is saying no? I thought it was a savvy move because gronk will outscore the average tight end by more than whatever receiver I would take would outscore the average wr.
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Aug 22, 2015 21:50
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In a snake draft I would certainly consider Gronk in the second round, especially if you're drafting at 8th and then 13th, and assuming a good RB1 fell to you at 8th. Then again, if an elite WR was still there in spot 13, I would probably take him, assume Gronk would not fall to me in the 3rd round, and in that case, just take any old TE in like the seventh or eighth round.
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Aug 22, 2015 21:56
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So, I WAS gonna draft Gronk/JJ Watt in my first two picks. So, I have to update you with what happened....Antonio Brown was there at my pick 7 out of my 10 team league. Could not pass that up. JJ Watt went later in the 2nd round. 10 man - 0.5 PPR 1qb, 2rb, 3wr, 1te, 1k, 2lb, 1dl, 1db  Really happy about my elite reciveing code. PPR to the max, brah. And then when Foster comes back...!!
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Aug 22, 2015 22:01
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Had my draft this afternoon. First time doing an in person draft and it was a lot of fun. I didn't like the draft being this early though. I'm pretty happy, but it's still early. QB Tony Romo RB Leveon bell RB CJ Spiller WR Julio Jones WR Golden Tate WR Jarvis Landry TE Rob Gronkowski FLEX Davante Adams D/ST Seattle K Dan Bailey BNCH Eddie Royal BNCH Kyle Rudolph BNCH Dorial Green-Beckam BNCH Jonas Gray BNCH Marcus Mariotta It's not a ppr league. I can't remember the order I drafted them in, it was up on a giant board.
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Aug 22, 2015 22:06
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Reik posted:Isn't it not so much how many points he can score, but how many more points he can score compared to the next best option available?
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Aug 22, 2015 22:06
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Leperflesh posted:In a snake draft I would certainly consider Gronk in the second round, especially if you're drafting at 8th and then 13th, and assuming a good RB1 fell to you at 8th. Then again, if an elite WR was still there in spot 13, I would probably take him, assume Gronk would not fall to me in the 3rd round, and in that case, just take any old TE in like the seventh or eighth round. This. This is the only scenario where I'm taking a TE before the 3rd to last round right before my kicker and defense, even then I'm going WR/RB, RB/WR, or WR/WR at the top of the draft almost every single time. Maybe in a weighted PPR where WR, RB, and TE all get different values, TE being the highest; then my opinion would change, and even then, I would need to probably see Gronk fall to me in the early second before I pulled the trigger.
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Aug 22, 2015 22:07
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89 posted:So, I WAS gonna draft Gronk/JJ Watt in my first two picks. So, I have to update you with what happened....Antonio Brown was there at my pick 7 out of my 10 team league. Could not pass that up. JJ Watt went later in the 2nd round. Man. Frank Gore as your RB1 is very risky. He's old, man, and while I love the guy, I don't think you can count on a full season of RB1 production out of him. And then waiting to round 7 for your second RB... well, I hope Ellington or Stewart step up and outperform this year for you. I'm not that big on Mike Evans (although he has upside), and Golden Tate will do fine but if Megatron stays healthy I don't think you can expect him to score as well as he did last season (when he played just 13 games, at least one as a decoy). I hope Brown and Gronk do really really well for you, man.
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Aug 22, 2015 22:08
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GAYS FOR DAYS posted:Had my draft this afternoon. First time doing an in person draft and it was a lot of fun. I didn't like the draft being this early though. I'm pretty happy, but it's still early.
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Aug 22, 2015 22:09
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Leperflesh posted:Man. Frank Gore as your RB1 is very risky. He's old, man, and while I love the guy, I don't think you can count on a full season of RB1 production out of him. And then waiting to round 7 for your second RB... well, I hope Ellington or Stewart step up and outperform this year for you. I'm not that big on Mike Evans (although he has upside), and Golden Tate will do fine but if Megatron stays healthy I don't think you can expect him to score as well as he did last season (when he played just 13 games, at least one as a decoy). On the plus side, Algholor, Johnson, and Bradford look like pretty savvy picks and your defense looks pretty decent.
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Aug 22, 2015 22:10
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cheese posted:Is this a 10 team league? You have 3 guys (Bell, Gonk, Julio) who often go in the first round... 12 teams. I had third pick and the draft order snaked around. Took Bell first, and I took Gronk 2nd and Julio third.
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Aug 22, 2015 22:12
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GAYS FOR DAYS posted:Had my draft this afternoon. First time doing an in person draft and it was a lot of fun. I didn't like the draft being this early though. I'm pretty happy, but it's still early. You got some serious RB issues.
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Aug 22, 2015 22:12
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Leperflesh posted:Man. Frank Gore as your RB1 is very risky. He's old, man, and while I love the guy, I don't think you can count on a full season of RB1 production out of him. And then waiting to round 7 for your second RB... well, I hope Ellington or Stewart step up and outperform this year for you. I'm not that big on Mike Evans (although he has upside), and Golden Tate will do fine but if Megatron stays healthy I don't think you can expect him to score as well as he did last season (when he played just 13 games, at least one as a decoy).  DeSean in the 10th seems like great value - he was WR 16 last year with garbage QB play.ZIGfried posted:You got some serious RB issues.
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Aug 22, 2015 22:13
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GAYS FOR DAYS posted:12 teams. I had third pick and the draft order snaked around. Took Bell first, and I took Gronk 2nd and Julio third. That's super late for Julio, great pick up for you 
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Aug 22, 2015 22:23
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RVProfootballer posted:That's super late for Julio, great pick up for you Great Big 3!
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Aug 22, 2015 22:27
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I'm picking second in a 12 team 1PPR league. With everything else being standard, I'm really considering either Brown or Gronk with my first round pick. That jives with this thread, right?
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Aug 22, 2015 22:27
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GAYS FOR DAYS posted:12 teams. I had third pick and the draft order snaked around. Took Bell first, and I took Gronk 2nd and Julio third. Congrats on your championship
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Aug 22, 2015 22:31
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Maybe at 4, but provided that all of the talk about Turner wanting to get Peterson the ball in space and his catching being improved, you are almost assuredly passing up a RB that's going to catch 50+ passes (e: probably 70+ in the cases of Charles and Bell). I could see the logic behind it, but I probably wouldn't take anyone but Bell/Charles/Peterson in the top-3 in a 12+ team re-draft. I guess it really depends on how you feel about Bell's suspension/Peterson missing a year/Charles and Peterson's ages and historic workloads.
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Aug 22, 2015 22:32
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Does anyone else have trouble with the nfl. com draft client losing connection or is it just me? I never get past the 2nd round before it cuts out... I need to get this sorted because I can't think of anything worse than nfl.com auto drafting for me with their terrible rankings.
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Aug 22, 2015 23:19
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Mikey Purp posted:I'm picking second in a 12 team 1PPR league. With everything else being standard, I'm really considering either Brown or Gronk with my first round pick. That jives with this thread, right?
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Aug 22, 2015 23:19
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GAYS FOR DAYS posted:Had my draft this afternoon. First time doing an in person draft and it was a lot of fun. I didn't like the draft being this early though. I'm pretty happy, but it's still early. Drop Rudolph and Mariota and find some flyer RBs quick like. Or start looking at trade options. E: At least see if D. Williams is an fa so you have someone for Bell the first couple weeks. Scruffy the janitor fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Aug 22, 2015 |
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I have a pretty good feeling mccoy will be available where i pick after my keepers. Do i fall on that grenade or look elsewhere? .5 ppr, keeping AP and megatron. Others likely to be there being gore, hilton, Evans tier players
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