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Jerusalem posted:Have you seen Last Christmas? It remains to be seen what happens next of course, but the ending of that was such an inspiringly hopeful and positive thing from the characters it left me wondering if it marks a turning point for the Doctor's demeanor going forward. I hope so, but we'll wait and see. If I remember right that very episode features the doctor not bothering to remember the people hes helpings names or faces because hes just not interested in them.
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People project an awful lot onto Capaldi's character because he makes rude comments and is socially incompetent. Throughout the series he shows a passion for learning and new experiences and multiple times has risked his life needlessly to save people, but he doesn't take a personal interest in people all the time and called a soldier a meat head, so people are turned off by him who weren't turned off by Ten condemning the family of blood to eternal living hells.
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2house2fly posted:People project an awful lot onto Capaldi's character because he makes rude comments and is socially incompetent. Throughout the series he shows a passion for learning and new experiences and multiple times has risked his life needlessly to save people, but he doesn't take a personal interest in people all the time and called a soldier a meat head, so people are turned off by him who weren't turned off by Ten condemning the family of blood to eternal living hells. He's also not pretty.
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I hope Twelve ends up with Rusty and Kroton as companions so he can describe them as his "tin foil pal and a pedal bin".
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Angela Christine posted:He's also not pretty. Says who? 
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Aug 23, 2015 14:13
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Jerusalem posted:Says who?  Would.
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Aug 23, 2015 14:27
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2house2fly posted:People project an awful lot onto Capaldi's character because he makes rude comments and is socially incompetent. Throughout the series he shows a passion for learning and new experiences and multiple times has risked his life needlessly to save people, but he doesn't take a personal interest in people all the time and called a soldier a meat head, so people are turned off by him who weren't turned off by Ten condemning the family of blood to eternal living hells. I thought Ten was a shithead and the worst Doctor yet, but I still don't like Capaldi's doctor for all the reasons SIKboy said. I don't mind socially incompetent or even plain old rude, but Twelve often comes off as flat out cruel. I too hope that he mellows the gently caress out next series.
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Fil5000 posted:
It's Edwina Currie's more attractive sister.
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Barry Foster posted:I thought Ten was a shithead and the worst Doctor yet, but I still don't like Capaldi's doctor for all the reasons SIKboy said. I don't mind socially incompetent or even plain old rude, but Twelve often comes off as flat out cruel. I don't really remember him being cruel, could you give ten examples?
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2house2fly posted:People project an awful lot onto Capaldi's character because he makes rude comments and is socially incompetent. Throughout the series he shows a passion for learning and new experiences and multiple times has risked his life needlessly to save people, but he doesn't take a personal interest in people all the time and called a soldier a meat head, so people are turned off by him who weren't turned off by Ten condemning the family of blood to eternal living hells. I still think it's a valid interpretation to read Twelve as mildly autistic. He's got that approach of caring but being unable/unwilling to express it, getting overfocused on something so much that he stops paying attention to other people and things, all that. I know some autistic traits have often been part of the Doctor, but Twelve's got them especially heavily.
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2house2fly posted:I don't really remember him being cruel, could you give ten examples? OK, perhaps 'cruel' is too strong - 'callous' is probably better. It isn't so much that he doesn't take an interest in people, it's that he so often seems to feel this weird need to remind them how much he doesn't care, and how unimportant they are. I mean, maybe I'm just an idiot who's missing some deep subtextual characterisation going on, but as SIKboy said, half the time he seems to act as if adventuring, talking to people, or doing pretty much anything is just a massive chore. Which is why when he gets 'softer' moments like the 'do you really think I care so little' speech, they come off, to me, as weird and unearned. Cleretic posted:I still think it's a valid interpretation to read Twelve as mildly autistic. He's got that approach of caring but being unable/unwilling to express it, getting overfocused on something so much that he stops paying attention to other people and things, all that. I've worked with quite a few autistic people, and while they're definitely way into their own thing and have a lot of trouble expressing emotion, they've always been gentle, earnest and studiously unaggressive. That isn't to say that that's the case for all autistic people; but it is to say that Twelve could have easily embodied those parts of the Doctor without cracking jokes about people's friends dying.
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Personally I think he's just old and a little fed up with observing social niceties, and it's made pretty obvious on multiple occasions that he still cares deeply. His bit to Clara about doing what must be done at the end of Mummy is a pretty good encapsulation of the kind of person he is, and the lengths he is willing to go to.... but that doesn't mean he is callous or cruel. With Clara he says mean things but they never come across as malicious, more like somebody who is so comfortable with his friend that he feels he doesn't need to walk around them on eggshells for fear of offending them - they're a little on-the-nose about it in Deep Breath but basically the Doctor trusts/respects/likes Clara enough not to put on a show/character for her and just pretty much be himself. That himself turns out to be a slightly crotchety old man who gets easily miffed at human beings actually has a fair amount in common with the Hartnell era, as well as elements of the Pertwee era that Capaldi more obviously apes in terms of his look.
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Jerusalem posted:Personally I think he's just old and a little fed up with observing social niceties, and it's made pretty obvious on multiple occasions that he still cares deeply. His bit to Clara about doing what must be done at the end of Mummy is a pretty good encapsulation of the kind of person he is, and the lengths he is willing to go to.... but that doesn't mean he is callous or cruel. Yeah I see this a bunch with old people, and I know a bunch of old researchers in particular. They're not trying to be cruel but they've had bullshit thrown at them for decades so they just want to get back to what they do. Though if they really wanted to capture that they'd have Capaldi do the same rant about Daleks every 3 episodes, regardless if they were in the episode or not. 
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Barry Foster posted:I've worked with quite a few autistic people, and while they're definitely way into their own thing and have a lot of trouble expressing emotion, they've always been gentle, earnest and studiously unaggressive. That isn't to say that that's the case for all autistic people; but it is to say that Twelve could have easily embodied those parts of the Doctor without cracking jokes about people's friends dying. I can certainly see that, being autistic myself and having associated with a number of people who are (this might in fact be why I thought of it), but I'd say it's still sort of present. The less passive ones can be very much like Twelve, annoying and hurting people without necessarily realizing they are (and not wanting to, of course). 'Old pissed-off professor' is probably a more accurate perception of him, but I still quite like the autistic view of it, if only because it would mean there's a depiction of an autistic person in pop culture that's more positive than Sheldon.
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Cleretic posted:'Old pissed-off professor' is probably a more accurate perception of him, but I still quite like the autistic view of it, if only because it would mean there's a depiction of an autistic person in pop culture that's more positive than Sheldon. Literally anything would be more positive than that trainwreck of a depiction. RAIN MAN is more positive, and that's saying something.
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Fil5000 posted:
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The_Doctor posted:It's Edwina Currie's more attractive sister. 
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computer parts posted:Yeah I see this a bunch with old people, and I know a bunch of old researchers in particular. They're not trying to be cruel but they've had bullshit thrown at them for decades so they just want to get back to what they do. I would be A OK with this. Random Dalek ranting every episode I say! I think we've gotten to the point with the Daleks and the Doctor that they should either make out or use one anothers names as curse words.
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Burkion posted:I would be A OK with this. Random Dalek ranting every episode I say! 
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More Doctor Who suggestions please 
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MrL_JaKiri posted:More Doctor Who suggestions please Meglos. On account of I looked up and that's the first DVD that caught my eye.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:More Doctor Who suggestions please The Mawdryn Undead.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:More Doctor Who suggestions please Go with the Seventh Doctor Cyberman story
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MrL_JaKiri posted:More Doctor Who suggestions please Inferno
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The_Doctor posted:Meglos. On account of I looked up and that's the first DVD that caught my eye. Meglos Basil, RIP
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You know what modern Who needs? More crazy old men in hoods like the original run has every other story
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You know what all of Who needs? Less of Meglos. There are worse stories than Meglos. There are loads of worse stories than Meglos. But basically everything in Meglos is such a rubbish version of what people expect from Doctor Who in every way.
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Barry Foster posted:It isn't so much that he doesn't take an interest in people, it's that he so often seems to feel this weird need to remind them how much he doesn't care, and how unimportant they are. EmoDoc  That's a good point, he does have a habit of over-emphasising how he doesn't care. That and his put-downs to Clara are the weak links in his character really, though the latter's probably done with now.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:You know what all of Who needs? Less of Meglos. Meglos was originally going to be the villain upstairs in "The Lodger". The idea was that he had come to Earth to finally get revenge on the Doctor, only to discover in the climax that the Doctor doesn't remember him. Meglos tries to remind him, but he's such a non entity that the Doctor can't even remember defeating him.
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2house2fly posted:That and his put-downs to Clara are the weak links in his character really, though the latter's probably done with now. The put-downs to Clara kind of gained a new texture for me toward the end of the Christmas episode when he genuinely couldn't tell if she was an old woman or not.
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Silver Nemesis is bad MrL_JaKiri fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Aug 24, 2015 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Silver Nemesis is bad I can't dispute that at all, there is no argument I can make, no defense I can muster - it IS bad. And yet somehow, for some reason that I cannot understand myself, I still like it 
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Silver Nemesis is the first Seventh Doctor story my wife encountered. Took me awhile to get her to watch another.
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It's essentially a straight rerun of Remembrance, down to lines about Ace not having any explosives on her. Ace even has a line about how similar the plots were.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:More Doctor Who suggestions please time flight
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I'm watching the Fourth Doctor stories in order now which means I'm watching Revenge of the Cybermen just after Genesis of the Daleks. Talk about whiplash
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I'm really enjoying the First Doctor stuff now. If I wanted to kind of do a chronological abridged watch of his stuff, what stories would people recommend? I'd like to stick to things that do world-building/important character development, or particularly good serials. Also, I'm avoiding all reconstructions for now*. For instance, it seems like The Sensorites talks a little bit about The Doctor and Susan's homeworld (even if it's all been retconned or whatever), but The Keys of Marinus isn't really important to anything so I might skip it unless it's super awesome. * Though I might do Galaxy 4 for giggles until I get bored because of Capaldi's Chumblies joke. Also maybe The Tenth Planet because it's a regeneration and only one is missing. Linear Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 12:32 on Aug 24, 2015 |
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MARCO POLO MARCO POLO (mostly recon) THE MYTH MAKERS (recon only, sadly)
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So I know that whole Goon wiki thing fell through, but in its stead maybe we can go raid Zimbabwe?
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Jsor posted:Also maybe The Tenth Planet because it's a regeneration and only one is missing. If you don't want to do fan reconstructions, there are a number of official ones too - there have been DVD releases of stories with missing episodes where they animated episodes to go with the audio (which exists for all episodes), including The Tenth Planet.
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