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Oct 15, 2012


Vault Dweller
I just wish they were all mic'd up rather than sitting around a table with one microphone

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SpannerX
Apr 26, 2010

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.

Fun Shoe

101 posted:

I just wish they were all mic'd up rather than sitting around a table with one microphone

Yeah, unidirectional mics and proper levels would be nice.

Edit: Uni for omni, sorry, a tad stunned tonight.

Woffle
Jul 23, 2007

KoldPT posted:

From what I know of Kole, I don't want to live in Koledran. I will not be backing your Kickstarter until you replace it with a land run by someone more palatable, like Brad Wardell or TotalBiscuit.

Milo-Yarhnamolopolis Sponsored by Breitbart. It's a land with 155 citizens, each law students...

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009
edit - wrong thread.

Pasco
Oct 2, 2010

101 posted:

I just wish they were all mic'd up rather than sitting around a table with one microphone

I think that's the eventual aim of the sweet, sweet Patreon dosh they're rolling in, but at least they're now making the best of their lovely setup rather than the worst.

XenoCrab
Mar 30, 2012

XenoCrab is the least important character in the Alien movie franchise. He's not even in the top ten characters.
Now they just need to stop constantly rotating out the hosts that are good and interesting for the hosts that are lame and boring.

Stan Taylor
Oct 13, 2013

Touched Fuzzy, Got Dizzy

XenoCrab posted:

Now they just need to stop constantly rotating out the hosts that are good and interesting for the hosts that are lame and boring.

My favorites are Tom Francis and Chris, and the rest kind of get jumbled together because I'm racist against people from the UK. None of them strike me as particularly uninsightful though.

claw game handjob
Mar 27, 2007

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My only real beef with Crate & Crowbar is that they just sort of fizzle out for me, and I've never been able to figure out why. By the third or fourth topic of an episode I'm tuning them out and just move on to whatever show is next on my mp3 player.

Also someone remind me to add Wild Guesses and some other new shows to the OP when I'm at home and not listening at work.

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009
I like all the C&C casters. To the guy who has trouble distinguishing voices don't worry remember people used to say they couldn't tell the difference between the IT's guys.

I think it's confusing because they rotate every episode and they only use one mic. They also have guys with RP accents (think posh like hugh grant for non brits). I actually think the last section is the best because the whiskey is flowing and they and they answer questions.

If you read their bios it's quite easy to picture who is who:

Who?

Tom Francis (@pentadact) is an indie developer and wrote for PC Gamer for a very long time. His first game is called Gunpoint, and it's out now.

Graham Smith (@gonnas) is the managing editor of Rock, Paper, Shotgun. He is tall, Scottish, and has a beard.

Marsh Davies (@marshdavies) is a freelance illustrator and sometime games journalist who draws robots for indie games.

Tom Senior (@PCGLudo) is the web editor of PC Gamer and occasionally writes about things that have gone into his eyes, ears or mouth on his blog, BlamBlamBoom.

Chris Thursten (@cthursten) is the deputy editor of PC Gamer. He also writes a blog about Dota, but it doesn't seem to be helping.

Jippa fucked around with this message at 10:53 on Aug 25, 2015

HMS Boromir
Jul 16, 2011

by Lowtax
In my experience listening to the Crate & Crowbar, it reads fine if you just assume everyone is Tom Francis.

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

DARKSEID DICK PICS posted:

My only real beef with Crate & Crowbar is that they just sort of fizzle out for me, and I've never been able to figure out why. By the third or fourth topic of an episode I'm tuning them out and just move on to whatever show is next on my mp3 player

Huh. They tend to be really focused and on topic and unlike idle thumbs et al they very rarely over indulge in the in jokes. Everyone gets time to talk in depth about one or two topics, they answer (good) questions, podcast over.

Ramagamma
Feb 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
Crate and Crowbar makes its way into my podcast rotation purely because of a lack of quality British games podcasts

Edit: also, stop being mean to Captain Invictus, he's like the nicest possible anime fan ever, sure he has a questionable taste in media but you can't deny the guys passion

Ramagamma fucked around with this message at 10:51 on Aug 25, 2015

FractalSandwich
Apr 25, 2010
Gary: is there any alternate way for me to opt in to your offer from the most recent Abject Suffering? I'm definitely interested in the dark gift of eternal life, but I'd rather not have to deal with international text messaging rates if at all possible.

claw game handjob
Mar 27, 2007

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WHY ARE YOU STILL SMILING

Thirsty Dog posted:

Huh. They tend to be really focused and on topic and unlike idle thumbs et al they very rarely over indulge in the in jokes. Everyone gets time to talk in depth about one or two topics, they answer (good) questions, podcast over.

Oh, yeah, I'm not making GBS threads on them, I legitimately mean "it is on me, not them", I wouldn't condemn the show for it. But I have tried multiple times and even forced myself to listen to it a few times when I'm dry of other shows at work, and always it refuses to gel with me.

Stuff that got added to the OP/edited:

quote:

(Replaced Dota Today's spot with...)

eSports Today (member of the Idle Thumbs Cabal)
A podcast focused on introducing and recapping the electronic-sport revolution, in any and all forms it may take. A pretty effective introduction and explanation of things you might have only heard about in passing but want more depth than most game podcasts will give you.
Hosts: Rob Zacny, Andrew Groen
Links: Site iTunes RSS Twitter

(Tweaked the blurbs on a few things I'd listened to since this went up.)

(Added the following:)

Wild Guesses
Just as a lot of ex-1UP podcasts rose from the ashes at USGamer, the ex-crew of Gamespot Gameplay now find themselves all making podcasts again for the internet. I like all of these people, so unsurprisingly, I enjoy this podcast, even if it's a little rougher due to being done out of pocket rather than in a studio.
Cast: Tom Mc Shea, Carolyn Petit, and Kevin VanOrd
Links: Site iTunes RSS Twitter

Hyperbolic Game Chamber
Operates on the core conceit of "Because game plots are too crazy not to talk about". Doesn't focus exclusively on bad titles, but instead chooses to just spotlight one title per week with an utterly batshit plot to recount, with the two hosts generally covering branching narratives by dividing the work between themselves. This has become one of my favorites because they gleefully just freewheel through things from moment to moment. Listen as a discussion of entirely unrelated games turns into theories that Albert Wesker is secretly the gaming equivalent of Randall Flagg.
Cast: "Jared" and "Greg", if there's a more in-depth name anywhere I never found/heard it
Links: Site RSS

Isometric
Hosted by three women who proceeded to become yet another set of ex-5by5 refugees within the first year of their show existing, Isometric focuses on talking about video gaming from a different perspective. Includes lots of in jokes about hand turkeys and Georgia Dow being an incredibly polite Canadian serial killer, and on some weeks a lot of really frustrated laughing.
Cast: Brianna Wu, Maddy Myers, Georgia Dow, and Steve Lubitz
Links: Site iTunes RSS

(...and a couple of others which are in the "I need to fix this later" camp some of you requested I add.)

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

FractalSandwich posted:

Gary: is there any alternate way for me to opt in to your offer from the most recent Abject Suffering? I'm definitely interested in the dark gift of eternal life, but I'd rather not have to deal with international text messaging rates if at all possible.

Gary thinks this is a good idea now, but it's going to make the WOFF for Boktai: The Sun Is In Your Hand very annoying to do.

sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

As long as the Dark Gift doesn't involve any obligations to the Dark Carnival, I think I could find a way to deal with it.

Woffle
Jul 23, 2007

If you guys don't think The Darke Gyfte involves sacrifice, I don't know what to tell you.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

TetsuoTW posted:

As long as the Dark Gift doesn't involve any obligations to the Dark Carnival, I think I could find a way to deal with it.

Quite the opposite. Vampires spit in the face of God, and as we all know, the Carnival is God.

Stan Taylor
Oct 13, 2013

Touched Fuzzy, Got Dizzy
Starting a new game of Link to the Past thanks to that episode of Retronauts. I always drop off shortly after I unlock the dark world for some reason. Got Link Between Worlds ready to start once I finally finished this thing.

Thanks Retronauts.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。
Thanks Bob for making my commute this morning really pleasant! I wish I could go back to that commute after what's happened today. :negative:

But honestly and sincerely, the music micro episodes are awesome.

claw game handjob
Mar 27, 2007

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ow ow fuck it's caught
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I don't know if I can express how excited I am for what promises to be a weird-rear end episode of Idle Thumbs, as I look over this description:

quote:

Read Our Lips: It's-a me. This week's episode may require you to use your imagination a little more than usual. Danielle plays the hell out of Super Mario Maker but as for her final verdict, you'll have to read between the lines. Chris and Spaff play the almost indescribable Pipedreamz and Flywrench, and Jake decides to record an entire episode with his microphone off. The only clarity you'll find comes from a surprisingly inspired Dota 2 add-on.

Games Discussed: Super Mario Maker, Trine 3, Pipedreamz, Flywrench, Rick & Morty Announcer Pack for Dota 2
Inaudible: Jake

(I seriously reinstalled D2 just to buy that announcer pack. It's glorious.)

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
I know you guys don't livestream anymore jake/chris, but please stream until dawn

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009

DARKSEID DICK PICS posted:

I don't know if I can express how excited I am for what promises to be a weird-rear end episode of Idle Thumbs, as I look over this description:




:toot:

Jippa fucked around with this message at 08:12 on Aug 28, 2015

Luna Was Here
Mar 21, 2013

Lipstick Apathy

DARKSEID DICK PICS posted:

I don't know if I can express how excited I am for what promises to be a weird-rear end episode of Idle Thumbs, as I look over this description:


(I seriously reinstalled D2 just to buy that announcer pack. It's glorious.)

WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUUUUB

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009
Embarrassing fact of the day. I spent at least 20 mins of the last nerdist podcast thinking the (bioshock) ken levine wrote on frasier and cheers until my brain finally started chugging and I realised the dates couldn't match. :blush:

claw game handjob
Mar 27, 2007

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Kole/Gary: the big problem with the theory you put forward on VNs and the west is that there are now publishers who are doubling down hard on "weeb boners" and it has led to multiple recent loss-leaders to get people into that ecosystem for dirt cheap by all the major players. It says plenty that one of those retailers ran an all PG-13 bundle of VNs ages ago at discount cost and these are outselling them handily. The market has spoken and it keeps saying some creepy poo poo, man.

al-azad
May 28, 2009



Stan Taylor posted:

Starting a new game of Link to the Past thanks to that episode of Retronauts. I always drop off shortly after I unlock the dark world for some reason. Got Link Between Worlds ready to start once I finally finished this thing.

Thanks Retronauts.

If you can't get into LttP again then just move on to Between Worlds. As much as I think Past is the perfect game it doesn't do as much as the later Zelda's to invest you in your quest. Once you defeat Agahnim the game's story is basically done and you're expected to follow the breadcrumbs from dungeon to dungeon with no real hooks inbetween like Link's Awakening has. Between Worlds is more or less "non-linear" but each area has a distinct hook and pre-dungeon puzzle that invests you in what you're doing. Then the game ends and you get the coolest final dungeon/battle in a Zelda game.

FractalSandwich
Apr 25, 2010

DARKSEID DICK PICS posted:

Kole/Gary: the big problem with the theory you put forward on VNs and the west is that there are now publishers who are doubling down hard on "weeb boners" and it has led to multiple recent loss-leaders to get people into that ecosystem for dirt cheap by all the major players. It says plenty that one of those retailers ran an all PG-13 bundle of VNs ages ago at discount cost and these are outselling them handily. The market has spoken and it keeps saying some creepy poo poo, man.
Do you think that has to do with visual novels, specifically? Or is it that there's a market for porn games in general that's not being served by other genres?

Zerot
Aug 18, 2006

Captain Invictus posted:

I know you guys don't livestream anymore jake/chris, but please stream until dawn

Agreed. At the very least, they should play it and talk about it on the podcast. It's a very interesting game.

claw game handjob
Mar 27, 2007

pinch pinch scrape pinch
ow ow fuck it's caught
i'm bleeding
JESUS TURN IT OFF
WHY ARE YOU STILL SMILING

FractalSandwich posted:

Do you think that has to do with visual novels, specifically? Or is it that there's a market for porn games in general that's not being served by other genres?

I could not tell you, I just had those easy marks of comparison and recent numbers. That is a drat good question though!

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。
I'm surprised that Sean didn't reveal the best multi kill streak soundbite of "oh this guy must be from Boston because he's WICKED SICK" with Danielle in the room.

Woffle
Jul 23, 2007

DARKSEID DICK PICS posted:

Kole/Gary: the big problem with the theory you put forward on VNs and the west is that there are now publishers who are doubling down hard on "weeb boners" and it has led to multiple recent loss-leaders to get people into that ecosystem for dirt cheap by all the major players. It says plenty that one of those retailers ran an all PG-13 bundle of VNs ages ago at discount cost and these are outselling them handily. The market has spoken and it keeps saying some creepy poo poo, man.

Well, that sucks.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
I once played bass for Knights of Anal Tyranny

Adeline Weishaupt
Oct 16, 2013

by Lowtax

FractalSandwich posted:

Do you think that has to do with visual novels, specifically? Or is it that there's a market for porn games in general that's not being served by other genres?

I'm just gonna spit-ball; but I'm gonna blame nerd-culture and unconscious racism.

VN as a genre was developed over a long period of time in Japan; a long enough period that it developed into many different niches; legitimate literary attempts at the genre, glorified radio-dramas, and the ever-popular hentai. Meeting with varied amounts of success they all exist in some form; but with pornographic versions doing the very successfully for reasons best left unsaid. Due to the consumption habits of pornographic materials, the demographic is best served by a wide variety but cheap stuff rather than high-quality but limited in scope (which is what we are used to for mainstream media). I don't know about VNs as a medium so I don't know how they are consumed in a mainstream sense in Japan, but I feel like it's a safe bet to say that the largest genre by individual works within the medium is pornographic. However this is the same with almost all mediums; there is more pornographic photos and art than all other types, more pornographic movies than of all other types, and more erotic novels than otherwise.

So why is it that unlike these other mediums, that the pornographic VNs are the only successful ones?

Well think back to when you first heard of the genre, which ones did you hear about?

It's the pornographic ones.

I am betting that the American fascination with Japan as an "exotic local" with an "alien culture" was what steeped early nerd culture around Japanese media. American nerds didn't have VNs, so nerds wanted to see what they were about; and because of the law of averages this meant that they quickly found the pornographic stuff. And likewise, because of nerd's obsession with understanding everything within a field they cataloged a lot of porn. And because of the nature of human sexuality, they found out that some people were into some really weird poo poo.

Thus these early nerds shared with each other this really weird poo poo, and stereotyped the medium as a whole because of it. So people took these stereotypes and condemned the genre. The people who discovered the genre because of these stereotypes were obviously interested in it as spank material; thus pigeon-holing this market because they're the ones dropping the cash.

With all that said, I was just spit-balling and comming up with conclusions on my own so I may be entirely off-base.

al-azad
May 28, 2009



It's definitely a case of porn being cheap, mass produced garbage that's rapidly consumed and thrown away and there isn't any equivalent of pornographic video games in the West so translated eroge is a market with practically no competitors. Actually when flash games were taking off in the early aughts you couldn't move your house one pixel on Newgrounds without seeing a porn game. I don't know what the community is like now but with some artists specializing in pornographic animations of established properties I can't imagine it's very different.

Another part of the problem is "missing the big picture" because VNs are both incredibly broad by genre and distribution but we see maybe 1% of that. There are small, tight knit communities devoted to creating, sharing, and playing VNs that never get any mainstream attention. Mobile is becoming the big new platform which is totally perfect for menu driven systems. And even console companies are finding new footing. Last year NIS' president jokingly said that if Disgaea 5 didn't sell well (they were predicting 150,000 sales) they'd have to close their doors. Aaand Disgaea 5 ended up selling like 1/6 of their projection. In the interim they had released like 50 VNs in the West and less than a month after Disgaea 5's poor performance they reported that localizing VN's was their next business model.

It's a pretty good time to be a weeaboo I'd say.

Twitch
Apr 15, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

al-azad posted:

It's definitely a case of porn being cheap, mass produced garbage that's rapidly consumed and thrown away and there isn't any equivalent of pornographic video games in the West so translated eroge is a market with practically no competitors. Actually when flash games were taking off in the early aughts you couldn't move your house one pixel on Newgrounds without seeing a porn game. I don't know what the community is like now but with some artists specializing in pornographic animations of established properties I can't imagine it's very different.

Another part of the problem is "missing the big picture" because VNs are both incredibly broad by genre and distribution but we see maybe 1% of that. There are small, tight knit communities devoted to creating, sharing, and playing VNs that never get any mainstream attention. Mobile is becoming the big new platform which is totally perfect for menu driven systems. And even console companies are finding new footing. Last year NIS' president jokingly said that if Disgaea 5 didn't sell well (they were predicting 150,000 sales) they'd have to close their doors. Aaand Disgaea 5 ended up selling like 1/6 of their projection. In the interim they had released like 50 VNs in the West and less than a month after Disgaea 5's poor performance they reported that localizing VN's was their next business model.

It's a pretty good time to be a weeaboo I'd say.

As long as it's more stuff like Dangan Ronpa and less stuff like My Girlfriend is the President, it doesn't sound so bad.

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009
I listened to idle thumbs. It just felt like jake was in another room with the door open, I could still hear him.

FractalSandwich
Apr 25, 2010

al-azad posted:

Another part of the problem is "missing the big picture" because VNs are both incredibly broad by genre and distribution but we see maybe 1% of that. There are small, tight knit communities devoted to creating, sharing, and playing VNs that never get any mainstream attention.
There's an alternate universe where Inform caught on in Japan and these porn games are all erotic text adventures.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。
This is extremely YMMV and I WENT TO JAPAN, but here's my I WENT TO JAPAN anecdote.

In Osaka there's an electronics district that's basically Akihabara of Kansai called Den-Den Town (lit: electric town). We went into a game/comic/nerd specific store that had multiple floors and was broken up into various genres. Ground floor was video games, had a Sony booth, buy new games and used games for various consoles. Second floor was music and music videos, a lot of second-hand laser discs of various weird stuff (I think one of the things I looked at was a Journey live on tour laser disc collection). That's the setting in a nutshell.

One of the floors was labeled "doujinshi", which is a catch-all for self-published works. If you've been on the internet and know anything about Japan, there's a strong association of doujinshi = porn/hentai related media, whether it's manga, anime, or games. The way that this wraps back to video games is that there actually has been a resilient independent games scene for decades now with things like Cave Story being a breakout hit, but also games like Hatoful Boyfriend and the Touhou series. When I saw the floor map and that the 4th floor or whatever was doujinshi, my reaction was "yeah, it's going to be mostly porn" while my friend/host was a bit more optimistic that it was going to weigh in more on the side of indie stuff with some porn thrown in.

It was basically all porn. It was broken into sections of manga by series(alphabetically sorted by the original series, i.e. - Dragonball fan drawn manga would be under the D bookcase) the back wall were DVDs/videos, and then the last third of the store were fan published video games. It should have been called 34th Floor because if you could think of something, it existed; no exceptions. Oh, that anime targeted at young elementary school aged girls where the main characters are all under 12 years old? Now with boobs.

Outside of my I WENT TO JAPAN STORY, it gets touched on 8-4 Play from time to time about how corporations/the media interact with the populace. Corporations just straight up say "this is our latest campaign of having One Piece/Mario/whatever merch tie-in at whichever convenience store chain", they explicitly call them "campaigns" versus western advertising companies being slightly more transparent with their limited-time-offer/McRib deals. It's more implicit and direct that the consumers have a duty to go out to buy, consume, and obey; however, in niche fields it gets really wonky because it's supply-side fart huffing where companies know that they can't sell 200k copies of a niche product, so they charge $150 for something because the target audience will readily pay that price.

Where this gets into a weird supply-side fart huffing loop is that Japanese companies on a whole are incredibly conservative and risk adverse. A company will make a niche product, they know that can't make it in volume, so they distill what the niche wants and just pander to that. For example: visual novels aren't inherently popular across the general population; however, this small group of people will definitely buy them if they have porn related elements in them... therefore, if you want to make a visual novel in Japan, it has to have some boobs in it. If you want to buck the trend and make something with more mass appeal, it's an unknown quantity and we can't bet the farm on that, so toss some boobs in and charge $150 bucks because past performance dictates future projections.

Sorry for the somewhat ramble-y post that's anime as all hell.

Phone fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Aug 30, 2015

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Jippa posted:

I listened to idle thumbs. It just felt like jake was in another room with the door open, I could still hear him.

I imagined Jake as the show producer, sitting off mic with a headset and a clipboard.

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