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nm posted:In the us, most licenses are suspended for a single unpaid ticket (doesn't even need to be a moving violatopn). I'd agree 100% if everyone with suspended licenses got there for bad driving, but most people get there for being poor. Maybe keep in line with the law and you won't get fines
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Uthor posted:Speaking of parking, Peoria made some spots reverse angle parking. Last time I was there, about 1/4 of the people pulled in forwards on the opposite side of the street. Good luck backing up against traffic when you leave! This would actually confuse the hell out of me because I look at the angle of the spots to determine if I'm going the right way in a parking lot lane when there's nothing painted on the ground. Now I don't know what to believe!!
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Aug 24, 2015 07:27
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MullardEL34 posted:I already posted this in the terrible car poo poo thread, but it fits here too. That sucks. Drunk driving is the worst, dumbest, least responsible thing ever. On the other hand, Sentras are so goddamn cheap you could probably total the loving thing if it got hit particularly hard by a shopping cart.
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Aug 24, 2015 13:43
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Drunk Driving assholes.
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PCOS Bill posted:Maybe keep in line with the law and you won't get fines Yes, because the traffic court system is so transparent and above-board. Between the standard of proof that someone was breaking a traffic law being "the officer said you were, so you were" and the court getting most of their operating budget from citation revenue what could possibly go wrong?
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Aug 24, 2015 14:59
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Geoj posted:Yes, because the traffic court system is so transparent and above-board. Fixed
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Aug 24, 2015 15:37
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MrLonghair posted:To add some data to the whole talk; The average cost to get a drivers license in Sweden is 15 000 SEK, $1800 US as of today. Needless to say the cops nab licenseless drivers several times a day in my city of 150k people Michigan has some lovely roads and we had a lovely winter (but on the other hand, Sweden isn't exactly known for its warm winters). Michigan has had over 500 traffic deaths YTD and basically the same population as Sweden.
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Aug 24, 2015 15:54
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Aug 24, 2015 15:55
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nm posted:In the us, most licenses are suspended for a single unpaid ticket (doesn't even need to be a moving violatopn). I'd agree 100% if everyone with suspended licenses got there for bad driving, but most people get there for being poor. Not paying a ticket within the normal 3 month term, means it gets doubled and you get another 3 months. Fail to pay then and it is quadrupled from the original amount and you get yet another 3 months to pay. Failing to do that means you get to sit in jail for at a rate of 50 euro paid on the fines for every day of jail time served. So say you do 10kph over, after correction, on the motorway in a construction zone. The fine is something like 80 euro plus 6 in administrative fees. Fail to pay for 9 months and you have to sit in jail for 7 days. The only time you can't drive is when you're in jail. Hell if you can't pay you can surrender during the first term of the fine and just sit in jail for 2 days, if you have a DA or judge who is a bit sympathetic, they will let you serve those days over the weekend, so you won't even lose a workday over it. It doesn't work the same all over the EU though. If my B-class license gets suspended in Belgium, I can still drive in NL or Germany. I could still ride a moped on my AM-class in Belgium. However if NL or Germany were to suspend any part of my license, AM, B, T, they will suspend the entire document and I can't drive anything at all, regardless of which country I am in, because the document that is my license has been temporarily been made invalid. If the license is suspended in the French speaking part of Belgium, just pity the cops and drive on. Their justice system is so loving starved for money that they can't afford to upgrade their IT to the standard required to serve a ticket in the EU these days.
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Aug 24, 2015 16:02
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You have to remember that American traffic enforcement isn't about safety it is about revenue. Its why you'll see someone getting pulled over for 5 over but never 10 under.
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Aug 24, 2015 17:41
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go3 posted:You have to remember that American traffic enforcement isn't about safety it is about revenue. Its why you'll see someone getting pulled over for 5 over but never 10 under.
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Aug 24, 2015 19:48
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go3 posted:You have to remember that American traffic enforcement isn't about safety it is about revenue. Its why you'll see someone getting pulled over for 5 over but never 10 under. Indeed. Note that when I look at these records, some surprising amount are equipemnt violations like obscured plate (got a plate frame? Guilty!) And lights out. Remember 2 things. A fix it ticket is not free as the department signing off on it will charge and the court will still assess fees. Equipment violations are common pc for stopping poor or minority drivers to do pretext searches. Also, they tend to be more likely to get those tickets actually written rather than getting a warning. Also, yeah, speeding. Sure you broke the law doing 10 over, but is than worth 300 bucks?
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Aug 24, 2015 21:14
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Swedish traffic enforcement You're high as two kites, you just made a body-imprint with a pedeadstrian on your luxury Merchedes while speeding? Go home, we'll call you when it's time to hear you about what you did (my city, last year, guy escaped to Germany and killed an old guy in an identical fashion, hopefully he gets to rot, just 24 years old and been leeching off the system committing vehicular crimes since he was 19)
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MrLonghair posted:Swedish traffic enforcement You're high as two kites, you just made a body-imprint with a pedeadstrian on your luxury Merchedes while speeding? Go home, we'll call you when it's time to hear you about what you did (my city, last year, guy escaped to Germany and killed an old guy in an identical fashion, hopefully he gets to rot, just 24 years old and been leeching off the system committing vehicular crimes since he was 19) Is traffic enforcement a different division from uniformed police? In most US states the enforcement is done by a mix of state and local police. Although there are a couple states like Vermont where the Department of Motor Vehicles has their own traffic enforcement that is outside the state police. But you still see both running speed radar on the highway.
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Aug 24, 2015 22:59
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waffle iron posted:Is traffic enforcement a different division from uniformed police? In most US states the enforcement is done by a mix of state and local police. Although there are a couple states like Vermont where the Department of Motor Vehicles has their own traffic enforcement that is outside the state police. But you still see both running speed radar on the highway. At least in seattle there are different parts of the seattle police who focus on traffic stuff, and you really have to piss off a cop who is not on one of those teams to get them to stop you just for a traffic violation. Even if they pull you over, mostly they will just yell at you for a while then let you go so they don't have extra paper work to fill out. Mostly the traffic guys are the ones on motorcycles, DUI squad cars(normal SPD paint job but no light bar) and a few unmarked cars. Of course Washington State Patrol's job is just to stop people for speeding.
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Aug 24, 2015 23:55
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waffle iron posted:Is traffic enforcement a different division from uniformed police? In most US states the enforcement is done by a mix of state and local police. Although there are a couple states like Vermont where the Department of Motor Vehicles has their own traffic enforcement that is outside the state police. But you still see both running speed radar on the highway. Only difference I can think of is State Troopers actively patrol all the interstate/highway traffic while local/county police usually stick to their own little districts (but can/will work together across counties). Could be wrong though, but that's how I always interpreted it.
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waffle iron posted:Is traffic enforcement a different division from uniformed police? In most US states the enforcement is done by a mix of state and local police. Although there are a couple states like Vermont where the Department of Motor Vehicles has their own traffic enforcement that is outside the state police. But you still see both running speed radar on the highway. DMV Enforcement in Vermont mostly focuses on commercial traffic, and from talking with a friend who drove commercially for a while, DMVE is much preferred over the state police when dealing with any issues. That said, DMVE will enforce rules for passenger cars if they're looking for something to do, or see a particularly gregarious violation. You do get a pretty WTF look the first time you see one of the enforcement SUVs though.
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Texas DPS has dudes that just handle commercial vehicle enforcement(the guys in Tahoes) but they will pull over anyone sufficiently stupid and oh boy are you not gonna enjoy it.
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Aug 25, 2015 18:09
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go3 posted:Texas DPS has dudes that just handle commercial vehicle enforcement(the guys in Tahoes) but they will pull over anyone sufficiently stupid and oh boy are you not gonna enjoy it. You'd have to do something really dumb. The money is on the commercial tickets and out of service violations.
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Bovril Delight posted:You'd have to do something really dumb. The money is on the commercial tickets and out of service violations. Probably some non-negligible percentage of them are exactly like the people in this thread, and would simply love the the opportunity to punish someone for doing a retarded thing. gently caress, I'd pay to be able to have that ability.
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PT6A posted:Probably some non-negligible percentage of them are exactly like the people in this thread, and would simply love the the opportunity to punish someone for doing a retarded thing. gently caress, I'd pay to be able to have that ability. Many's the time I wished that I were a cop. "Oooh, I would give that guy such a lecture and top it off with a special driving award"
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Aug 25, 2015 19:47
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I would spend all day just smiling and writing tickets and it would be glorious.
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Aug 25, 2015 19:56
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PCOS Bill posted:I would spend all day just smiling and writing tickets and it would be glorious. Think of the project cars we could work on from all of the seized assets!
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Aug 25, 2015 20:00
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I would probably cause a general revolt in this state by ticketing hundreds of people a day for left lane violations, cellphone use, improper lane change/inability to maintain speed or heading, and failure to signal. Hell, I saw someone do a left on red after stopping yesterday, from a busy multilane two way road to another one. It takes a special kind of idiocy or disregard for the law to pull that move.
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Aug 25, 2015 20:24
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I wish I could give people tickets for littering. Is it bad that I want to ticket people for flicking their cigarette butts out the window? Assholes.
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Aug 25, 2015 21:16
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No, totalnewbie. It is correct and good. Also oh my god kill all timid, inattentive drivers. I almost got run off the road by people changing lanes at me without looking, or otherwise hit because they weren't paying attention or went too late, etc., about a dozen times in 4 miles on my way home from work today. The first few miles I had almost nobody on the road with me and it was glorious. I don't know why I spent money on shiny bright gear, they don't see me any more than they used to in my black and gray stuff.
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totalnewbie posted:I wish I could give people tickets for littering. Is it bad that I want to ticket people for flicking their cigarette butts out the window? Assholes. No, it's very unsafe to do that because it can easily start a fire. It's so smoky here that they're warning people to avoid going outside, all because of forest fire smoke, and I guarantee at least one of them was started by some stupid rear end in a top hat (in a car or otherwise) that can't extinguish a goddamn cigarette like a normal, functional human being. Even (perhaps especially) as a smoker, people that refuse to dispose of their smoking materials properly piss me off.
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kastein posted:I would probably cause a general revolt in this state by ticketing hundreds of people a day for left lane violations, cellphone use, improper lane change/inability to maintain speed or heading, and failure to signal. Last week I was headed out in the evening for my homebrew club, and knew that the left lane became left turn only, so my rear end got in the right lane early so I wouldn't have to do anything stupid or aggressive. I notice a cop in the left lane, so I stopped slightly generously on yellow, and was first in line. The cop was second in line behind a woman in a Toyota SUV. She kept creeping on the red light like she was going to cut me off. When it went green, I went without being aggressive, so she kept her signal on and cut in right behind me. In the intersection. There was some dotted line ahead so people like her can merge without resorting to that. Cop lights went on, and her face was total confusion. I'm sure the cop was wondering how dumb she could be, and she proved the answer was pretty goddamn dumb! It's not like it was an undercover car, it was an Explorer with light bars and full department markings!
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Alarbus posted:Last week I was headed out in the evening for my homebrew club, and knew that the left lane became left turn only, so my rear end got in the right lane early so I wouldn't have to do anything stupid or aggressive. I notice a cop in the left lane, so I stopped slightly generously on yellow, and was first in line. The cop was second in line behind a woman in a Toyota SUV. She kept creeping on the red light like she was going to cut me off. When it went green, I went without being aggressive, so she kept her signal on and cut in right behind me. In the intersection. There was some dotted line ahead so people like her can merge without resorting to that. Cop lights went on, and her face was total confusion. Watched a guy make a right turn on red the other day, while sitting directly in front of the "NO TURN ON RED" sign, with a cop immediately behind him. Made the turn, cop cautiously makes the same turn and lights go on. It was glorious. totalnewbie posted:I wish I could give people tickets for littering. Is it bad that I want to ticket people for flicking their cigarette butts out the window? Assholes. Yeah gently caress littering. Back when I used to smoke, I would occasionally flick one out the window, felt kinda bad about it but laziness triumphs... then one night I flicked the butt, wind caught it funny, it bounced off the B-pillar (2-door car with long windows) and into the back seat. Nice little round hole burned into my seat. Never tossed a butt again.
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I keep meaning to put stuff in here, but i see so much dumb poo poo that i forget most of it. Had a good one today though, coming down a sliproad joining the M11 motorway. Sliproad is two lanes, about 2/3 of the way down the dotted line disappears as traffic is supposed to form into a single line to join the motorway. Woman decides that just as i'm about to join the motorway she's going to overtake me and move into lane 1. Lanes 2 and 3 have cars and no gaps, so she's trying to overtake me and move into the space in lane 1 that i need to get into. We're doing 50mph, and rapidly running out of slip road. I move over and she has to loving deal with it, beeping the horn and going ballistic. Maybe she was expecting me to drive down the hard shoulder? (And plow into the back of the broken down horsebox 100 yards down it?)
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Mooseykins posted:I keep meaning to put stuff in here, but i see so much dumb poo poo that i forget most of it. Your avatar fits the bold part of this post.
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Aug 26, 2015 21:30
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Bicycle Insanity http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=950_1440519194
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Mooseykins posted:I keep meaning to put stuff in here, but i see so much dumb poo poo that i forget most of it. People who don't understand what the gently caress it means when a two lane slip road lane marking goes dashed and then disappears needs to be rounded up and loving shot. I nearly got turned into a streak on the tarmac on the M6 a couple months back. I was livid for miles.
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B4Ctom1 posted:Bicycle Insanity I'm sure it was deserved 
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GramCracker posted:Your avatar fits the bold part of this post. Very accurate, honestly.
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B4Ctom1 posted:Bicycle Insanity I can't tell, was he in a crosswalk with row ot not? Not that anything justifies the use of violence there.
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That was a woman, she says something like "please don't try to knock me off" as she passes him, and he says something like "shut up you oval office". She must have flipped him off because he chases her down and says "put your finger up at me?" and then shoves her down. She may have been a bit hostile but I think he's the bigger dick in this one.
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Speaking of cyclists, while cycling home, I'm pulling up to a street crossing with stop signs for my road. I stop, it's clear, the car coming from opposite me is turning to my right, and I'm going left. It's clear and I go. Nothing odd about that oh hello there mr on a bicycle that just rolls through the stop sign and makes the dumbest face when he sees me (already 75% through my turn and on the street) and swerves clumsily. Nothing would have happened, because I saw it and was evading him.
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I'm in Boston for the week. (gently caress everything road related in this area) 3 times this week, a bicyclist going the wrong way almost crashed into me. Each one was completely indignant about almost getting run over going the wrong way down a one way street.
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Speaking on the whole traffic law enforcement thing, I remember for years there was a state trooper posted up on the southbound lanes of I-95 crossing the border between Massachusetts and RI. The speed limit drops down from 65 mph to 45 mph in a span of about half a mile, so every day you'd see a good amount of panic braking as you round the curve to reveal the state trooper. The thing was that if you were local, you'd know he's there to get the big 18-wheelers that don't get off the exit and continue over the decrepit bridge, overloading the weight limit which is good for a 4-figure fine. People would literally blow by the cop going 90 mph and he wouldn't budge. And the stream of revenue was always insanely strong because, a) the truck detour signs are small and unnoticeable b) long distance drivers would have no loving idea they have to exit the highway and c) getting off the highway and following the narrow, serpentine route around the bridge is what truck driving hell is made of. The couple times I went to traffic court in that period, about 75% of infractions were related to those trucks (the other 25% being old Mexican women with too much tint on their minivans). It was equal parts amusing and depressing seeing the unbathed scruffy flannel wearing truck driver always paired up with a clean cut lawyer representing the shipping company who I can't imagine cares all that much that they have to eat bullshit fines like that once in a while.
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nm posted:I can't tell, was he in a crosswalk with row ot not? He doesn't have right of way where he was crossing, he was just chancing it because he's one of those 'kool dudes' who needs to get across the road in the tiniest of gaps. The type of prick that'll misjudge a gap but stubbornly walk forcing people to have to slow down so they don't hit him. *edit: you can actually see the light on the pedestrian crossing is red as she passes it top left 0-1 second into the video. I had fun with a car yesterday on the way home from work. I was in a lane marked straight ahead. I went straight ahead. Car behind me beeped. I looked where he was going and followed him, asking him why he beeped. "I didn't know if you were going to turn right or not! You didn't indicate!" ...in a lane marked straight ahead? Dickhead. Olympic Mathlete fucked around with this message at 10:28 on Aug 27, 2015 |
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