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jmzero
Jul 24, 2007

quote:

Apparently the Star Realms app is strongly biased towards blue cards: https://boardgamegeek.com/article/20106608#20106608

The new Dominion client has/had deterministic/predictable "shuffles". I have no idea how these kind of mistakes get made. Randomizing some cards is bonkers easy on a computer (and if for some reason you want reproducability or something then seeded randoms are easy too).

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jeeves
May 27, 2001

Deranged Psychopathic
Butler Extraordinaire
Non-lovely coded mobile apps ports talk:

Does anyone have any strong negative opinions on the game Evolution?

My wife (an animal-bones focused archaeologist) seems to like the idea of it as a game, but she also liked the idea of Adventure Time Munchkin before we played it once and then wanted to burn it as we had never played Munchkin before to know how terrible it is no matter what flavor it is cloaked in.

Poopy Palpy
Jun 10, 2000

Im da fwiggin Poopy Palpy XD

jmzero posted:

The new Dominion client has/had deterministic/predictable "shuffles". I have no idea how these kind of mistakes get made. Randomizing some cards is bonkers easy on a computer (and if for some reason you want reproducability or something then seeded randoms are easy too).

I wouldn't say bonkers easy; if you try to write your own shuffle algorithm without reading up on some theory you'll probably create a biased shuffle, but you certainly shouldn't end up with something predictable.

gutterdaughter
Oct 21, 2010

keep yr head up, problem girl

jeeves posted:

Non-lovely coded mobile apps ports talk:

Does anyone have any strong negative opinions on the game Evolution?

My wife (an animal-bones focused archaeologist) seems to like the idea of it as a game, but she also liked the idea of Adventure Time Munchkin before we played it once and then wanted to burn it as we had never played Munchkin before to know how terrible it is no matter what flavor it is cloaked in.

Evolution is a pretty solid little tableau builder.

Crackbone
May 23, 2003

Vlaada is my co-pilot.

jeeves posted:

but she also liked the idea of Adventure Time Munchkin before we played it once and then wanted to burn it as we had never played Munchkin before to know how terrible it is no matter what flavor it is cloaked in.

Tried to tell ya dude...

Crackbone posted:

Just buy the Cryptozoic Adventure Time card game. It's not really a shining jewel but it's leagues better than Munchkin.

https://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/144728/adventure-time-card-wars-finn-vs-jake

But regarding Evolution, I played a demo at Gencon and it was solid - don't know how comfortable a complexity level you wife can deal with, but the theme is really nice and it was a solid game.

Crackbone fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Aug 25, 2015

Lucky Samurai
Oct 4, 2011

Being jaded about something is so cool. You're just as useless as everybody else, but you get to be irritating and bitter about it.
Also before we play Cuba Libre, can anyone give me a rundown of the macro level strategy for each faction? Just so we aren't all going into the game not really knowing what to do.

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

jmzero posted:

The new Dominion client has/had deterministic/predictable "shuffles". I have no idea how these kind of mistakes get made. Randomizing some cards is bonkers easy on a computer (and if for some reason you want reproducability or something then seeded randoms are easy too).

Got a source for this? That's some combination of horrifying and hilarious.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna

jeeves posted:

I bought it because I like the idea of Star Realms as an App but would never play it in person.

However the single player campaign mode basically loving cheats and is pretty impossible to play against, so hooray I only wasted 5$ on it instead of more money for the real version.

Shoulda bought some Ascension expansions, they're pretty fun and the app is a million times better.

Bottom Liner fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Aug 25, 2015

The Mantis
Jul 19, 2004

what is yall sayin?

Bottom Liner posted:

Shoulda bought some Ascension expansions, they're pretty fun and the app is a million times better.

The app is good. I'm amazed anyone ever plays the actual version. So many cards

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

The Mantis posted:

The app is good. I'm amazed anyone ever plays the actual version. So many cards

It's a shame the game itself can't live up to the app.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

MC2552John posted:

Also before we play Cuba Libre, can anyone give me a rundown of the macro level strategy for each faction? Just so we aren't all going into the game not really knowing what to do.

Syndicate: Profit to make Casinos, make tons of money, play diplomatically, beware M26, move into an EC to make more money, you're weak and often on top but it's hard to really shut you down.
DR: Worm your way everywhere, make yourself a small threat, Terror to Passive Support so you can get in and M26 can't, use Subvert (or whatever your econ action is called) liberally to keep your resources up and hurt gov/M26 victory.
M26: Fight dirty, Terror everywhere, Kidnap like mad to make money and gently caress the Syndicate/Government depending on who's first, Infiltrate any attempts by the govt to move into the countryside, don't get involved in fights you can't win.
Govt: Read the advice in the playbook for how to conduct counterinsurgency, watch your money, don't overextend yourself, play rebels off each other, make money off the Syndicate, :gitgud:.

Syndicate->DR->M26->Govt is generally increasing order of difficulty to play. Govt player should really read the playbook because they're not super intuitive.

Radioactive Toy
Sep 14, 2005

Nothing has ever happened here, nothing.
Played Dung Lords tonight with the expansion for the first time (plus dungeon setup cards).


gently caress bards.

T-Bone
Sep 14, 2004

jakes did this?
uhhh miniature market's site is hosed right now and everything is reading $15. The group listings are correct but if you drill into any game it shows as $15. I bought a copy of Chinatown thinking they were having some kind of clearance sale and and went to check 1830 just for shits and giggles and yeah they're in for some poo poo tomorrow (my Chinatown ordered processed).


:stare:

T-Bone fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Aug 25, 2015

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem

Radioactive Toy posted:

Played Dung Lords tonight with the expansion for the first time (plus dungeon setup cards).


gently caress bards.

Bards are great fun, they really emphasise the importance of being in position to manipulate the evilometer rather than always trying to be lower than everyone else.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna

T-Bone posted:

uhhh miniature market's site is hosed right now and everything is reading $15. The group listings are correct but if you drill into any game it shows as $15. I bought a copy of Chinatown thinking they were having some kind of clearance sale and and went to check 1830 just for shits and giggles and yeah they're in for some poo poo tomorrow (my Chinatown ordered processed).


:stare:




Yup, I just placed an order for Forbidden Stars for $15. I assume it won't be shipped but here's hoping.

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"
Grabbed Tash-Kalar and Hanabi Deluxe for $36. :getin:

Corbeau
Sep 13, 2010

Jack of All Trades
I feel really bad for their website guy.

Shadow225
Jan 2, 2007




e: requested a cancellation after thinking about it for a bit

Shadow225 fucked around with this message at 07:37 on Aug 25, 2015

GrandpaPants
Feb 13, 2006


Free to roam the heavens in man's noble quest to investigate the weirdness of the universe!

Miniature Market has been a pretty good retailer, and I imagine most hobby store margins are razor thin that they don't need to deal with a bunch of people trying to take advantage of what is obviously a glitch. Don't be one of those people.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
I had no idea what was up, I've just been price watching for a Forbidden Stars deal and placed my order before hearing about the rest. If it's cancelled, I won't be offended, the price seemed too good to be true but they're a reputable dealer so I ordered just in case it was real. Now I know it was a bug, and I think it is lovely to order a ton of games that are obviously priced wrong.

Bottom Liner fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Aug 25, 2015

T-Bone
Sep 14, 2004

jakes did this?
I actually emailed their CS and pmed their handle on BGG once I realized the Chinatown order was hosed, not that it's going to help any -- the glitch is already on BGG they're going to get murdered.

That Codenames Let's Play and its dwindling stock on MM actually prompted the order (Codenames is at the right price it looks like so I wonder if they'll cancel it too).


e: oh my god their Magic landing page, god help their CS tomorrow.

T-Bone fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Aug 25, 2015

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Gutter Owl posted:

Evolution is a pretty solid little tableau builder.

But wait for second edition. It's just shipped to KS backers for the expansion and should hit retail within a month.

Bubble-T
Dec 26, 2004

You know, I've got a funny feeling I've seen this all before.

Radioactive Toy posted:

gently caress bards.

:argh::hf::saddowns:

I've played 7 games of DL this month, 4 with the expansion. It's kind of magical how badly a single Bard can gently caress you.

The Mantis
Jul 19, 2004

what is yall sayin?
Jesus christ RIP Miniature Market.

What do we think will actually happen here?

Mojo Jojo
Sep 21, 2005

The Mantis posted:

Jesus christ RIP Miniature Market.

What do we think will actually happen here?

They will just cancel the orders that happened during the glitch. These things happen, it is not a huge deal.

Lichtenstein
May 31, 2012

It'll make sense, eventually.
Holy poo poo the new FFG rulebook format is so bad. Like six FFGs bad.

Rumda
Nov 4, 2009

Moth Lesbian Comrade

Jedit posted:

But wait for second edition. It's just shipped to KS backers for the expansion and should hit retail within a month.

Are you sure you have to wait a friend of mine has had the second edition for months.

Mojo Jojo
Sep 21, 2005

Lichtenstein posted:

Holy poo poo the new FFG rulebook format is so bad. Like six FFGs bad.

What game? The forbidden stars one is great. Everybody should adopt the "earn to play + alphabetic reference approach

Lichtenstein
May 31, 2012

It'll make sense, eventually.

Mojo Jojo posted:

What game? The forbidden stars one is great. Everybody should adopt the "earn to play + alphabetic reference approach

No, it's horrible. The tutorial booklets leave out some rules that can be important in the full game and make no effort to indicate there's something missing. So you have to read through the whole alphabet-ordered list, filled with crap you do not need at the moment, organized in a way that eschews any logical links just in case there's something that was omitted/special ruled for the tutorial.

The Mantis
Jul 19, 2004

what is yall sayin?

Mojo Jojo posted:

They will just cancel the orders that happened during the glitch. These things happen, it is not a huge deal.

I think they should do a "welp... poo poo" apology and let everyone keep ONE item on their order.

Mojo Jojo
Sep 21, 2005

Lichtenstein posted:

No, it's horrible. The tutorial booklets leave out some rules that can be important in the full game and make no effort to indicate there's something missing. So you have to read through the whole alphabet-ordered list, filled with crap you do not need at the moment, organized in a way that eschews any logical links just in case there's something that was omitted/special ruled for the tutorial.

Is there a list?

We just read the learn to play and then used the rules reference as questions came up. We didn't spot any omissions.

Lichtenstein
May 31, 2012

It'll make sense, eventually.
Not sure about that particular game, tbh.

The Mantis
Jul 19, 2004

what is yall sayin?
Yeah I'm gonna have to agree with Mojo on this one. L2P has a solid foundation -- then just pop over to the reference to clarify. Even total grognards are going to blow a few rules the first time.


\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Fair -- but if it's a game that complicated, generally someone is reading all the literature/teaching.

Unless it's ASL I guess.

The Mantis fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Aug 25, 2015

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.

Mojo Jojo posted:

Is there a list?

We just read the learn to play and then used the rules reference as questions came up. We didn't spot any omissions.

Problem with this approach (not sure about this game, just in general) is that you can miss every rule exception if it doesn't appear in the introductory booklet, because it will never come as a doubt if the general rule is clear enough.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

The Mantis posted:

I think they should do a "welp... poo poo" apology and let everyone keep ONE item on their order.

That could still break MM unless everyone bought everything they ordered at the stupid discount, which you know drat well they wouldn't. The limit of what they should do is give one-shot 10% discount codes as an apology.

lordsummerisle
Aug 4, 2013
Tried Five Tribes for the first time. It was fun, and just playing the game is really enjoyable. Moving the colored meeples around the map. Lovely. I did not bother with overanalyzing the possible moves, and just winged a strategy. Which put me in 3rd place, but was still fun.

Are the blue meeples the ones most contigent on the map layout in regards to their usefulness? We had all th e blue tiles spread around the edges.

Durendal
Jan 25, 2008

Who made you God to say
"I'll take your sheep from you?"



For the better part of a year, three of my friends from my gaming group have been doing a podcast on board games titled: The Good, the Board, and the Ugly. I haven't hyped or talked about here because I did not want to be a shill. But wih today's episode I think it's time to give them a little love.

The podcast has three gentlemen on by the names of Joe, Jon, and Trent. Joe is eurogame snob who would fit perfectly within this thread, Trent is the straight man who tends to lean to euros but still can be objective about lighter fare, and last is Jon - who is all about the most reviled of words--fun. It's those differing viewpoints that I think really gives the show its charm.

They follow a simple little format of reviewing games they've played over the week, then talking about a topic relevant to the hobby, and finish up with hyping a game they really want to play. This is all done in an hour or so, unless I'm on it and somehow provoke a two hour marathon.

The other day was their 33rd episode, and I think it was their best yet. They reviewed some killer games in La Granja, Caylus, and Kemet; and had a heated discussion about Kickstarter.

I can't recomend these guys enough, and I hope you guys give them a listen!

The Good, the Board, and the Ugly - Episode 33: Kick Starter

Stickman
Feb 1, 2004

Rumda posted:

Are you sure you have to wait a friend of mine has had the second edition for months.

Yeah, second edition evolution went out to stores before most kickstarter backers got it, because the backers got it together with the new flight expansion (which I don't think is in stores yet).

Honestly, if MM does more than an apology letter and refund (or maybe a blanket small discount), I'll be slightly miffed. I'm sure that refunding a load of PayPal orders is going to cost them money, so BGG chuckleheads getting rewarded while over those who refrained would be annoying. I totally appreciate their business, don't take advantage!

Sloober
Apr 1, 2011

Stickman posted:

Yeah, second edition evolution went out to stores before most kickstarter backers got it, because the backers got it together with the new flight expansion (which I don't think is in stores yet).

Honestly, if MM does more than an apology letter and refund (or maybe a blanket small discount), I'll be slightly miffed. I'm sure that refunding a load of PayPal orders is going to cost them money, so BGG chuckleheads getting rewarded while over those who refrained would be annoying. I totally appreciate their business, don't take advantage!

It's unfortunate but a lot of people don't get how small profit margins are on board games, and how much they owe Magic and other CCGs for keeping game stores open.

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Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

Stickman posted:

Yeah, second edition evolution went out to stores before most kickstarter backers got it, because the backers got it together with the new flight expansion (which I don't think is in stores yet).

Honestly, if MM does more than an apology letter and refund (or maybe a blanket small discount), I'll be slightly miffed. I'm sure that refunding a load of PayPal orders is going to cost them money, so BGG chuckleheads getting rewarded while over those who refrained would be annoying. I totally appreciate their business, don't take advantage!

Sorry, brah.

Haven't you ever heard of gently caress You, Got Mine?

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