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Light Gun Man posted:Tesla was pretty much already thought of that way long before the internet started getting in on it. I remember reading a biography about him years ago that had poo poo along the lines of "yeah Tesla totally built a rad deathray and fired it off at Russia and so the government busted in and stole all his research after he died." I guess, but I know a whole TON of people who had never heard the name "Nikola Tesla" before The Prestige and The Oatmeal but they were loving foaming at the mouth over him afterwards. Although he was played by Bowie, so we could just chalk it up to Bowie's insane charisma. The Sovereign.
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Light Gun Man posted:Tesla was pretty much already thought of that way long before the internet started getting in on it. I remember reading a biography about him years ago that had poo poo along the lines of "yeah Tesla totally built a rad deathray and fired it off at Russia and so the government busted in and stole all his research after he died." Yeah I remember reading crazy conspiracy poo poo about him online in the 90s, including the Tunguska event bullshit.
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Aug 24, 2015 23:18
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Yes, that's exactly why Sherlock Holmes is my least favorite fictional character of all time. Oh, he makes sweeping generalizations based on minor observational evidence? That's called bigotry around these parts.
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Aug 25, 2015 00:08
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Drunk Nerds posted:Yes, that's exactly why Sherlock Holmes is my least favorite fictional character of all time. Oh, he makes sweeping generalizations based on minor observational evidence? That's called bigotry around these parts. It's pretty hilarious though. "That man is either unmarried or on bad terms with his wife. How do I know? His hat is dusty."
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Aug 25, 2015 00:34
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Holmes' superpower isn't his detective skills, it's his luck. Or he may as well be an Ork because his self-assured arrogance is so powerful that anything he believes (with enough conviction) becomes truth. Given a long enough timeline and enough positive reinforcement, his mild psychic abilities start to shape the world based on his whims.
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Aug 25, 2015 00:42
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Zaphod42 posted:I guess, but I know a whole TON of people who had never heard the name "Nikola Tesla" before The Prestige and The Oatmeal but they were loving foaming at the mouth over him afterwards. Honestly I am surprised he isn't internet popular as some sort of MRA icon as an example of "look at all the cool poo poo you can get done by ignoring women forever!" Or something dumb like that.
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Aug 25, 2015 01:25
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As much as I love Bowie, John C. Reilly was the superior Tesla.
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Aug 25, 2015 01:32
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I actually prefer Carnacki the Ghost Finder, who is basically the poor man's Holmes except paranormal, to Sherlock Holmes. Too bad that the author had to go and die in the Great War and only wrote nine stories.
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Aug 25, 2015 01:33
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Drunk Nerds posted:Yes, that's exactly why Sherlock Holmes is my least favorite fictional character of all time. Oh, he makes sweeping generalizations based on minor observational evidence? That's called bigotry around these parts. He is not a fan of those Mormons.
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Aug 25, 2015 04:01
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bobkatt013 posted:He is not a fan of those Mormons. The introduction to the Sherlock Holmes collection I have encourages readers to skip the section of A Study in Scarlet about the Mormons. Which really pisses me off, no professionally-written introduction to a classic novel should be loving encouraging readers to skip sections of the writing, especially if it's just because the editor finds the section offensive.
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Aug 25, 2015 04:44
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Eh! Frank posted:The introduction to the Sherlock Holmes collection I have encourages readers to skip the section of A Study in Scarlet about the Mormons. Which really pisses me off, no professionally-written introduction to a classic novel should be loving encouraging readers to skip sections of the writing, especially if it's just because the editor finds the section offensive. Sir what's his name should be well recognized for his ability to make Holmes seem smart and criticized for his propensity to be tricked by little girls with victorian age film into believing in fairies.
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Aug 25, 2015 05:35
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Eh! Frank posted:The introduction to the Sherlock Holmes collection I have encourages readers to skip the section of A Study in Scarlet about the Mormons. Which really pisses me off, no professionally-written introduction to a classic novel should be loving encouraging readers to skip sections of the writing, especially if it's just because the editor finds the section offensive. Both A Study in Scarlet and The Sign of the Four make the rather bad decision of cutting away from Watson and Holmes to a boring long-rear end account of the murderer's backstory, sapping all tension with this exposition being introduced at the end of the story instead of the beginning. The other two novels and short-stories are a much better introduction to Holmes and Watson.
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Aug 25, 2015 08:03
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bobkatt013 posted:He is not a fan of those Mormons. To his credit, he also didn't like the KKK at a time when most saw them as noble.
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Aug 25, 2015 08:13
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I like this idea that Sherlock Holmes is actually a reality warper.
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Aug 25, 2015 09:56
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Eh! Frank posted:The introduction to the Sherlock Holmes collection I have encourages readers to skip the section of A Study in Scarlet about the Mormons. Which really pisses me off, no professionally-written introduction to a classic novel should be loving encouraging readers to skip sections of the writing, especially if it's just because the editor finds the section offensive. What a load of garbage. A Study in Scarlet is AMAZING specifically because the entire thing was written to poo poo on the mormons as much as possible.
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Aug 25, 2015 10:39
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Sherlock Holmes was a bunch of trashy adventure stories that ran alongside other crap like 'Lord Darkwhimsy's Hidden Treasure', 'Ghosts knock at Midnight' and 'Timothy Lashfist and the Ten Paces at Dawn'. The Strand Magazine that syndicted his stories was about as literary as Heat or FHM is today. Some copies I have have such interesting features as 'Celebrity Dogs' and 'How to shoot Upsidown' articles. It's pure, wonderful trash and thats about it.
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Aug 25, 2015 10:48
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Dr Scoofles posted:Sherlock Holmes was a bunch of trashy adventure stories that ran alongside other crap like 'Lord Darkwhimsy's Hidden Treasure', 'Ghosts knock at Midnight' and 'Timothy Lashfist and the Ten Paces at Dawn'. The Strand Magazine that syndicted his stories was about as literary as Heat or FHM is today. Some copies I have have such interesting features as 'Celebrity Dogs' and 'How to shoot Upsidown' articles. It's pure, wonderful trash and thats about it. I would not say that is the complete truth https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Strand_Magazine
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Aug 25, 2015 11:14
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Dr Scoofles posted:Sherlock Holmes was a bunch of trashy adventure stories that ran alongside other crap like 'Lord Darkwhimsy's Hidden Treasure', 'Ghosts knock at Midnight' and 'Timothy Lashfist and the Ten Paces at Dawn'. The Strand Magazine that syndicted his stories was about as literary as Heat or FHM is today. Some copies I have have such interesting features as 'Celebrity Dogs' and 'How to shoot Upsidown' articles. It's pure, wonderful trash and thats about it. And yet people will remember it forever more than your equally awful posts.
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bobkatt013 posted:I would not say that is the complete truth https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Strand_Magazine Yeah there's some pretty incredible names in that "fiction" section.
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Aug 25, 2015 11:55
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House is the best Holmes because crazy jumps of connections actually makes sense in diagnostic medicine versus crazy detective bullshit. You're working with a much infinitely smaller set of possible conditions and you've focused all your life on medicine, instead of like... mud and ash and poo poo being able to tell who is a bachelor and who is married. And House actually got constant flak for being a douche rather than everybody just letting him get away with it as part of his 'character', and he was also very commonly wrong with his first assumption. (lupus) Sometimes even his second guess was wrong, and it was only at the last moment that he figured things out. Works better than Holmes just jumping straight to the right answer. I'd like to see a Holmes where he's like "Hey, that hair on your leg means you spent the night with your mistress last night who owns a cocker spaniel" and then the guy is like "uh, nope, I'm single and I own a Labrador" and then Holmes is like "really? gently caress." At some point you have to be wrong or it gets rid of the joy of being right. Holmes is always psychically right, so it no longer seems like a cool trick and instead its just the writing of the tv show. Its like how Game of Thrones makes you actually care about the characters because you know they're not safe. (well, other than Daenerys and Tyrion) In most hollywood action, you know even if the hero gets in trouble he's gonna do something daring and escape later on, so there's no danger. But in Game of Thrones if one of your favorite characters is in danger, you're on the edge of your seat worrying that this is really going to be the end, so then if it turns out they do escape its exhilarating instead of boring and predictable. Light Gun Man posted:Honestly I am surprised he isn't internet popular as some sort of MRA icon as an example of "look at all the cool poo poo you can get done by ignoring women forever!" Or something dumb like that. He kinda fell in love with a female pidgeon later in life though 
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Frostwerks posted:And yet people will remember it forever more than your equally awful posts. loving rekt. That'll teach that guy for claiming to be the new Arthur Conan Doyle
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Aug 25, 2015 17:08
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Zaphod42 posted:I'd like to see a Holmes where he's like "Hey, that hair on your leg means you spent the night with your mistress last night who owns a cocker spaniel" and then the guy is like "uh, nope, I'm single and I own a Labrador" and then Holmes is like "really? gently caress." This happens in the second Sherlock movie. I think it may happen in the show as well? Or maybe I'm just thinking about how Holmes doesn't know the world orbits the sun, or something.
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Aug 25, 2015 17:44
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Morpheus posted:This happens in the second Sherlock movie. I think it may happen in the show as well? Or maybe I'm just thinking about how Holmes doesn't know the world orbits the sun, or something. Yeah he got real mad at watson for even trying to teach him something about astronomy as it couldn't possibly help him determine which tobacconist a murderer frequents. He probably injected some cocaine to strategically forget that bullshit.
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Aug 25, 2015 18:01
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Zaphod42 posted:Its like how Game of Thrones makes you actually care about the characters because you know they're not safe. (well, other than Daenerys and Tyrion) In most hollywood action, you know even if the hero gets in trouble he's gonna do something daring and escape later on, so there's no danger. But in Game of Thrones if one of your favorite characters is in danger, you're on the edge of your seat worrying that this is really going to be the end, so then if it turns out they do escape its exhilarating instead of boring and predictable. It's actually the opposite for me. The first 5 or so deaths, I was in to it. Nobody is safe! But now, I just don't give a gently caress. Every really interesting character ends up dead. I'm not sure I'll read the next book.
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Morpheus posted:This happens in the second Sherlock movie. I think it may happen in the show as well? Or maybe I'm just thinking about how Holmes doesn't know the world orbits the sun, or something. Yeah, there was a bit about how he didn't know about the earth orbiting the sun. I guess that was supposed to represent his knowledge being completely focused on esoteric things but it just seemed so stupid I blocked it out of my memory. Like, I could see Holmes not knowing things about daily life or technical minutia of some job or whatever, but the earth around the sun? Comeon that's dumb. You'd hear that in passing at some point in your life. There's no way a guy that good at observation and that specific about details would have no loving clue what you're talking about when it comes to Heliocentrism. It plays way too much of a role in other things than astronomy, like history and even the basic seasons. I want to see Holmes try to use his mind powers and make a mistake, not be dumbfounded over something trivial. That doesn't make sense. Yeah I think the movie does it but in the Cumberbatch show pretty much every one of his observations / deductions is spot-on. Even to the point where he can go "oh but you wanted me to notice that, so instead I realize that you're actually _______". ElGroucho posted:It's actually the opposite for me. The first 5 or so deaths, I was in to it. Nobody is safe! But now, I just don't give a gently caress. Every really interesting character ends up dead. I'm not sure I'll read the next book. Yeah, that is the flipside. If things get too chaotic you start to loose interest because you don't want to get invested in the first place. Its a tough line to walk.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:loving rekt. That'll teach that guy for claiming to be the new Arthur Conan Doyle Suck my goddamned dick
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Zaphod42 posted:Yeah, there was a bit about how he didn't know about the earth orbiting the sun. I guess that was supposed to represent his knowledge being completely focused on esoteric things but it just seemed so stupid I blocked it out of my memory. Terry Pratchett once wrote a little about the kind of bullshit observation powers Holmes had, saying that sure, you could deduce that man is a sailor who's fallen on hard times. He could also just be some guy doing some DIY wearing his lovely old clothes, and that marine tattoo he has happened because his mates egged him on to get it when he was blackout drunk. Basically that those observations Holmes has could be completely loving wrong because things he sees could have any number of reasons for being that way. You see someone with a ring-shaped patch of pale skin on their ring finger. Divorced? Maybe. They could also have just sent the ring in to be resized or cleaned. Maybe they lost it down the sink.
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Ignite Memories posted:I think for a lot of people (males) Catch Me If You Can was the moment where they put aside their kneejerk reaction to Titanic and realized that Leo DiCaprio is actually a pretty solid actor. If you're a voracious movie fan, you already knew di Caprio was a solid actor when Titanic came out because you'd seen The Basketball Diaries. (He was also pretty good in The Quick and the Dead, which is an incredibly silly B-movie with a ridiculously strong cast - in addition to di Caprio it had Sharon Stone, Russell Crowe, Gene Hackman, Lance Henriksen and Keith David.)
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Jedit posted:If you're a voracious movie fan, you already knew di Caprio was a solid actor when Titanic came out because you'd seen The Basketball Diaries. Also What's eating Gilbert Grape
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Frostwerks posted:Suck my goddamned dick Nah bro I'm sweet
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Nah bro I'm sweet Oh, ok.
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Jedit posted:(He was also pretty good in The Quick and the Dead, which is an incredibly silly B-movie with a ridiculously strong cast - in addition to di Caprio it had Sharon Stone, Russell Crowe, Gene Hackman, Lance Henriksen and Keith David.)
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Slime posted:Terry Pratchett once wrote a little about the kind of bullshit observation powers Holmes had, saying that sure, you could deduce that man is a sailor who's fallen on hard times. He could also just be some guy doing some DIY wearing his lovely old clothes, and that marine tattoo he has happened because his mates egged him on to get it when he was blackout drunk. Basically that those observations Holmes has could be completely loving wrong because things he sees could have any number of reasons for being that way. You see someone with a ring-shaped patch of pale skin on their ring finger. Divorced? Maybe. They could also have just sent the ring in to be resized or cleaned. Maybe they lost it down the sink. Yeah, that's exactly the sort of poo poo I'm talking about. Do you know what it was? I love everything Pratchett ever wrote. bobkatt013 posted:Also What's eating Gilbert Grape That whole movie was just so  to me.Do people find it entertaining? Just seemed like oscar bait to me. E: Apparently it got good reviews, so I guess I'm just a heartless bastard. Still, I found that movie really uncomfortable.
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Can't find a clip but there is a fantastic moment in the Moffat Sherlock series where Sherlock is detectiving while him and Watson are blind drunk. As Watson puts it: "He... he'sh cluin'.. for looks." Sherlocks brain patterns are hilarious there as well, normally the series pops up little blurbs like "1949 Abercrombie Laquered wood... etc" popup on the screen representing his thought processes, but when drunk all knowledge flies out of the window and all he can muster is: Chair???/ ...Sitty Thing... Comfy... ???? Then he falls asleep on their carpet and gets kicked out. I also like when Irene Adler gets the better of him by stripping anything identifying away, ie going completely naked, and all he can deduce is: ?????? ?????? ?? ??? Over and over because of having nothing to go on.
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A movie thing that irritates me irrationally is actors pretending to eat and drink, because it's usually really obvious when they're just pretending.
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Yeah, that scene was really well done and was probably my favorite moment of sherlock season 3. It was a fun inversion of the floating-magic-text they had going on. And yeah, it was legitimately funny.Van Dis posted:A movie thing that irritates me irrationally is actors pretending to eat and drink, because it's usually really obvious when they're just pretending. Yeah this is a classic, I think we've talked about it in the thread before. Thing is if you're doing multiple takes you can't be drinking or you'll get hosed up and your acting will go out the window. (I guess unless you're a hardcore method actor? Even then) Drugs are even tougher because its not even legal to shoot. Hell in most movies these days they have to use herbal cigarettes because filming actors smoking tobacco is illegal. I dunno though, most actors are really bad but sometimes they do a pretty drat good job. I have to imagine the difference is which actors have taken drugs and which haven't  Probably not quite that simple though.Are there any good stories of film crews flying out into international waters to try out drugs? I think I remember hearing something about a crew flying to south america and everybody trying Ayahuasca but I don't remember for sure.
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Zaphod42 posted:Yeah, that scene was really well done and was probably my favorite moment of sherlock season 3. It was a fun inversion of the floating-magic-text they had going on. And yeah, it was legitimately funny. I'm sure 99.99% of the time you see an actor drinking 'alcohol', it's actually a non-alcoholic substitute.
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Zaphod42 posted:Yeah, that's exactly the sort of poo poo I'm talking about. It's in Feet of Clay. "Samuel Vimes dreamed about Clues. He had a jaundiced view of Clues. He instinctively distrusted them. They got in the way. And he distrusted the kind of person who’d take one look at another man and say in a lordly voice to his companion, “Ah, my dear sir, I can tell you nothing except that he is a left-handed stonemason who has spent some years in the merchant navy and has recently fallen on hard times,” and then unroll a lot of supercilious commentary about calluses and stance and the state of a man’s boots, when exactly the same comments could apply to a man who was wearing his old clothes because he’d been doing a spot of home bricklaying for a new barbecue pit, and had been tattooed once when he was drunk and seventeen* and in fact got seasick on a wet pavement. What arrogance! What an insult to the rich and chaotic variety of the human experience!"
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With season 3 I thought the wedding of Watson was a funny episode as well, Sherlock hijacks his own best man speech to crowdsource a riddle he is having trouble with involving a weapon that was never anywhere near the crime scene. One idiot (also being used as a replacement sherlock by the lab assistant who is crushing on him due to being a tall dark man in a big coat) Proposes s 'knife of meat and bone that disassembled and washed down the drain." Sherlocks response is just: "A meat knife?!" just astounded how little thought went into that idea. Also after he realises what a lovely friend he is due to hijacking Watson's wedding to crowdsource a case he ends up making some really sweet points about not knowing why Watson sticks by him like he does, and panics seeing the crowds reaction: "Why are they crying? Did I do it wrong?" 
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