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The Dom Inspector is already updated and have data for the 4.20. Good job Larz. Also, here we have the new 4 magical items: 
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Fat Samurai posted:I was writing an efforpost on trying to understand MA Ulm for the newbie game, but noticed I was mostly repeating this. Army of Lead+Weapons of Sharpness I guess. Summons some Elemental Royalty if your pretender is up for that. Not really much of anything that can survive multiple petrifies followed up with magma eruptions though. Add iron bane and sprinkle some iron blizzards and blade wind on top. amuayse fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Aug 26, 2015 |
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Aug 26, 2015 09:11
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Fat Samurai posted:I was writing an efforpost on trying to understand MA Ulm for the newbie game, but noticed I was mostly repeating this. MA Ulm is wholly about rolling your basic troop quality advantage into huge territory gains before lategame, and midgame to an exent, magic comes online. At that point you're hoping to have a large enough advantage in gems/gold/research that you can make up for the fact that your base magic diversity is absolute garbage. If you're not one of, or THE, largest nations by that point, you're out of luck. On the bright side, they're extremely suited for stomping many of those lategame threats into the ground if they start nearby. Between extremely cheap high Prot basic troops, and the ability to quickly amass Guardians if someone is unwise enough to try a sacred rush on you, many of the more magically inclined nations are going to struggle to stop you from simply marching over them in the earlygame. B9 sacreds are of course still going to be a problem, but those are a problem for anyone, and between few nations typically taking that, and the fact that you actually CAN trade troops and still come out ahead, it's probably manageable. Case-in-point, I started next to Vanheim in my very first game, when I was playing Ulm. Deciding early on that I REALLY needed to take them out before they could get into the good A spells, I researched Alteration a bit to grab Earth Meld, and proceeded to march straight through their extremely expensive ponies - that had just lost their high Def due to being stuck to the ground.
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Aug 26, 2015 09:43
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Why doesn't the giant ocean head have a head slot? Is he too big to forge hats for?
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Aug 26, 2015 09:45
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Lord Koth posted:MA Ulm is wholly about rolling your basic troop quality advantage into huge territory gains before lategame, and midgame to an exent, magic comes online. So awake pretender? Or are we talking "midgame" as in year 3 and I can afford to put some points into production and gold?
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Aug 26, 2015 09:56
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Benly posted:Why doesn't the giant ocean head have a head slot? Is he too big to forge hats for? I think the giant crab claws on top aren't helmet-compatible. Apart that finding helmets that fit in a giant head of size 6 has to be hard (normal titans of size 6 have a proportionally smaller head, this guy is all head!).
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Aug 26, 2015 10:00
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amuayse posted:Yup, Giant Bearded Face died instantly when I took him awake Somehow I already expected something like this after seeing several typos in the description for the new nation. Ah, Illwinter. Quality Turnbased Strategy. 
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Aug 26, 2015 10:42
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amuayse posted:Yup, Giant Bearded Face died instantly when I took him awake A bunch of the new events are also pointing to wrong events so for example discovering and attacking the Kraken's Lair results in the message "The mage has left the Thunder Oak HIDDEN" and nothing happens. Additionally Meteor Caps are made of normal iron and thus rust underwater and a number of underwater units have iron weapons or equipment that simply rusts immediately upon recruitment. Finally the Spectral Archers of Therodos cannot fire their bows underwater, yet are part of the standard underwater PD for Therodos, rendering those PD's bows perpetually useless. This is a very well tested patch.
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Aug 26, 2015 10:47
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Funny, just now I was also looking at the events. The "first gate" demon event seems fun. In any case, I suspect all the events with the word HIDDEN at the end are still in the works, and very possibly are ignored by the game, so take them with a grain of salt, just because we can see stuff in the inspector doesn't mean it's used already in the game. I already mentioned the meteor caps problem in the desura bug thread, hope poo poo like that will be fixed in a minor patch soonish. The bigger problem seem units like UW Jomon that has been forgotten in this patch and they still have all iron. But the rust mechanic seems to work in a very curious way. From desura: quote:Rust effect seem minor, because units repair their stuff between the moment where rust is applied, and the moment where battle happen. So if you have enough resources, which don't seem to be a lot of ressources at least for weapons, you don't have problems. So you can have lots of units with the rust tag, but they are repaired just before the battle phase so it doesn't have real effect, except if the province doesn't have resources to "repair". Stuff like the UW archers is facepalming, in the other hand. Do we have an opinion of Oceania and their new gimmick? They have free +1 order scales, both in sea and inside land, with the exception of coastal provinces which have +2 turmoil (which isn't so bad for the new turmoil discounts of their mages). You could buy Turmoil 1 scales, have Order0 in most of your empire and T3 in the coastal forts, and buy Capricorns for 315g there. They also have a new mage W2N2+random mage, only aquatic which sucks, but it's non-StR; and the Siren transform in a air siren (like in the Witcher 3!), which have A1W1 instead of W2. Turin Turambar fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Aug 26, 2015 |
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Aug 26, 2015 11:12
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Turin Turambar posted:Funny, just now I was also looking at the events. The "first gate" demon event seems fun. In any case, I suspect all the events with the word HIDDEN at the end are still in the works, and very possibly are ignored by the game, so take them with a grain of salt, just because we can see stuff in the inspector doesn't mean it's used already in the game. I received that exact sequence of events (Kraken, Mage has left HIDDEN) in a test game so nope the events are genuinely just all hosed up.
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Aug 26, 2015 11:31
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edit: durr hurrr.
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Aug 26, 2015 11:51
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Both of those are from the Worthy Heroes mod, not the update.
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Aug 26, 2015 12:03
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Ichtypans? THEY'RE CALLED CAPRICORNS, GOD. Also great smutty writing about that Naiad chick, mod makers fucksakes.
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Aug 26, 2015 12:05
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Neruz posted:Both of those are from the Worthy Heroes mod, not the update. Ooops. I forgot I had mods activated.  You saw nothing.
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Aug 26, 2015 12:07
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"Hmm how can we have a powerful female character for Oceania" "She pretty much just lives on an island and gets knobbed but she controls the sea" "Brilliant"
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Aug 26, 2015 12:08
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I hadn't noticed Frank Miller's Spartans behind her, either. 
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Aug 26, 2015 12:09
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Can someone help with an error message I'm getting? Whenever I try to play the new nation I get a randomname: no name error. I found one thread on shrapnelgames where someone said it's a nametype mismatch but I don't know what that means or how I fix it.
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Aug 26, 2015 12:22
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jBrereton posted:"Hmm how can we have a powerful female character for Oceania" To be fair she is kind of similar to how she is depicted in the Oddessy so it's not like they just made up the story entirely 
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Aug 26, 2015 12:27
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Finnish Flasher posted:Can someone help with an error message I'm getting? Whenever I try to play the new nation I get a randomname: no name error. I found one thread on shrapnelgames where someone said it's a nametype mismatch but I don't know what that means or how I fix it. Reinstall the game? Also, I suppose you wanted to say Desura, not Shrapnelgames...
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Aug 26, 2015 12:38
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Neruz posted:To be fair she is kind of similar to how she is depicted in the Oddessy so it's not like they just made up the story entirely She didn't keep an Harem of oiled, well endowed men dressed in leather, though. Odysseus was kinda an exception, and IIRC, loving him was a ruse* to kill him while asleep. *He survived by making her promise not to. Greeks.
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Aug 26, 2015 12:39
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Turin Turambar posted:Reinstall the game? No, I meant shrapnelgames http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=37427 I'll try reinstalling thanks. edit. reinstalled and now it crashes when going to pretender design instead of just before first turn should start edit2. well it's some mod, I disabled all of them and now it works Finnish Flasher fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Aug 26, 2015 |
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Aug 26, 2015 13:15
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Fat Samurai posted:I was writing an efforpost on trying to understand MA Ulm for the newbie game, but noticed I was mostly repeating this. amuayse posted:Army of Lead+Weapons of Sharpness I guess. Summons some Elemental Royalty if your pretender is up for that. Lord Koth posted:MA Ulm is wholly about rolling your basic troop quality advantage into huge territory gains before lategame, and midgame to an exent, magic comes online. At that point you're hoping to have a large enough advantage in gems/gold/research that you can make up for the fact that your base magic diversity is absolute garbage. If you're not one of, or THE, largest nations by that point, you're out of luck. On the bright side, they're extremely suited for stomping many of those lategame threats into the ground if they start nearby. Between extremely cheap high Prot basic troops, and the ability to quickly amass Guardians if someone is unwise enough to try a sacred rush on you, many of the more magically inclined nations are going to struggle to stop you from simply marching over them in the earlygame. B9 sacreds are of course still going to be a problem, but those are a problem for anyone, and between few nations typically taking that, and the fact that you actually CAN trade troops and still come out ahead, it's probably manageable. Fat Samurai posted:So awake pretender? Or are we talking "midgame" as in year 3 and I can afford to put some points into production and gold? In particular, I tested O3 P2 and found that I wasn't able to recruit enough infantry in year one, so I swapped them and went for P3, which a lot of people would say is unnecessary because of the Smiths' resource bonus. And it paid off because I was able to murder B9 Mictlan. People in IRC just about fell out of their seats when I told them that. When I lost 3/4 of my guardians in a battle, I was able to simply make more. (I also anticipated my losses because I chose the battle and had replacements already en-route.) Out-producing your enemies is a very real thing that can win wars easily. Another thing is spies siege engineers, and Black Lords-> I went into my wars confident that I could win them, I never had any trouble breaking forts, and I never worried about troop morale and I saved money in some forts that could be used at the front line or on diversity mages. Which is another nice thing about Master Smiths: you rarely have to recruit indie commanders. As for endgame, it really depends on who you're facing and the resources you have available. Getting diversity is really important for any nation. I built my go to forge A boosters so that my A1s would be able to do extra forging and N boosters because shaman are pretty common. You can pretty reliably get Lizard Shaman (N1S1) in the MA, and they are worth dropping a fort on to recruit. Amazons are less common but equally good. I found a Mirror Wall Palace that gave me A2S2 (20%awsd) and I never stopped recruiting them. Every S2 can mind-hunt. If you get a W1, she will forge Bottles of Living Water. Sitesearch thoroughly and you can find yourself with a lot more diversity than people expect. And make those research boosters, 1a for a quill is practically free, and 1f for a lantern is even better if you aren't worried about horrors. I out-researched Pythium for most of the game! How that's changed by who you're facing? I was looking at Pythium and Eriu as my main opponents, so I was worried about lightning damage, so I got Ground Army. When I was facing Pan and was worried about Iron Bane, I summoned Mechanical Men and Living Statues. Troll King's Court is nice, too, but can add upkeep pretty quick since troll summons all have a high gcost. Draconians should be a part of your swiss army knife. Use summons and empowerments to up your diversity and mage strength in the long run. If you're planning to win, you need to play the long game. A three-year plan to get Blood Stones is worth it because it gives you easy e5 in combat. An empowerment for Flaming Skulls is worth it, because they can get you Flame Spirits. Also, Magma Eruption is shockingly powerful. 23+ non-elemental magic damage at AoE5 for only 30 fatigue? Buff precision and cast that poo poo all day! Edit: I'm going to go ahead and lay my victory at the feet of my opponents, though. They really did not fight me effectively or use the tools at their disposal. Edit: Accidentally said Order3 sloth2 instead of Prod2 in my first paragraph. Huge difference Speleothing fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Aug 26, 2015 |
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Aug 26, 2015 15:03
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Aug 26, 2015 15:30
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MA Ulm should take an awake pretender snake because they can. MA Ulm is all about BECAUSE I CAN. You can get plenty good scales with an Earth Snake and the extra few provinces early matter. Ulm wins because it gets way the gently caress ahead and puts an earthquake trap in every province, then it gets further the gently caress ahead and puts a Rain of Stones trap in every province. In the meantime it can hire 1000 scouts and bootstrap blood if it needs to or just jam an advantage down peoples' throats with whatever sites they have found. Magma Eruption and Iron Blizzard are the gravy on your mashed taters so spam the gently caress out of that garbage. Preach a lot to spread dom, you have the time and money. Hire 1000000 researchers and build a fort in every drat province. Ulm is easy and dumb but don't hamstring yourself by not abusing every last tool you have for getting ahead because you do have trouble making gains in the lategame if you aren't ahead already.
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Aug 26, 2015 15:32
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I agree with awake pretender with MA Ulm, because there's no reason not to. Taking lots of territory early improves your odds of finding Indy sites to improve your mage diversity later. People forget that the nation also has Earth/Astral access, which allows you to bust out Crystal Matrices later on. This is invaluable if you happen to find a Lizard Shaman, Crystal Sorc or Sage site. Suddenly you have access to all this combat magic that you wouldn't have been able to cast before. Great infantry, sacred-killing Guardians, great evocations, Earthquake and Rain of Stones, Crystal Matrices, cheap lanterns. The nation has everything to win Dominions 4, and it often does. It's easily among the top tier for MA.
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Aug 26, 2015 17:51
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It's funny, because maybe I'm imagining things but a year and a half ago MA Ulm wasn't considered that good. Or at least I have that foggy impression. And now everyone agrees they are top tier :P
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Aug 26, 2015 18:12
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Turin Turambar posted:It's funny, because maybe I'm imagining things but a year and a half ago MA Ulm wasn't considered that good. Or at least I have that foggy impression. And now everyone agrees they are top tier :P The addition of +10res mages, making repel not suck and changing how bad being tired is, they are a lot better than they ever were in dom3
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Aug 26, 2015 18:21
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Nuclearmonkee posted:The addition of +10res mages, making repel not suck and changing how bad being tired is, they are a lot better than they ever were in dom3 How it was before in Dom3? Stronger or weaker penalty? For me it sucks a lot now , a few rounds of combat and units are already panting out and eating hits because they are too tired to avoid them, and if the battle is big and the unit is tough, they literally fall exhausted. edit: quote:2015-08-26 16:22:38 +0200 4.21 already out. I think they did it so fast because some people couldn't play as the game believed they had a bad cdkey. Turin Turambar fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Aug 26, 2015 |
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Aug 26, 2015 18:44
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Turin Turambar posted:It's funny, because maybe I'm imagining things but a year and a half ago MA Ulm wasn't considered that good. Or at least I have that foggy impression. And now everyone agrees they are top tier :P
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Aug 26, 2015 19:27
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Thanks for the help. Trip report: Naked (as in E3 and Awe 9) Snake rules, even if it's way of fighting is standing there looking bored until the enemy gets bored and leaves. I can go O2P2G1L1D2, which seems enough to poo poo out armies each couple of turns. I'm tempted to drop Order to get Luck 2 and hope for a mage for some diversity, but it's probably a bad idea. I'll have some rounds with Speleothing's guy and see how it goes. Does the poison resistance the serpent gets grant immunity from Blowpipes? I'm not sure how resistances and stun damage interact.
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Aug 26, 2015 19:55
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Fat Samurai posted:Thanks for the help. You can run Earth Snake E6 with a lower dom and it works just as well for cheaper.
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Aug 26, 2015 20:00
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amuayse posted:Everyone thought they were good ever since the beta. Formations got added, powerful mages were made StR, SCs were nerfed, the massive encumbrance problems of blackplate was solved, etc. I still think the best MA nation is a toss up between Pangaea and C'tis. Those Ditanim are pretty brutal if you don't have D magic in your nation, and they have pretty good access to a ton of global threats. jBrereton fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Aug 26, 2015 |
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Aug 26, 2015 20:10
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jBrereton posted:No love for Ashdod? Ashdod is not a very good nation and MA is D central. Ditanu are very cool but Ashdod should be on the back foot way before they come online and people are going to bring answers to undead vs you anyway. Top MA nations are without much of a doubt Asphodel, Ermor (duh), Ulm, Pangaea, Sceleria, and probably now Pythium. No other nations come close though MA is pretty fair overall. There are few bad nations in MA and pretty much everyone can do something well, though some are overly reliant on gems and start very slow. I Love You! fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Aug 26, 2015 |
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Aug 26, 2015 20:43
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fool_of_sound posted:You can run Earth Snake E6 with a lower dom and it works just as well for cheaper. Isn't awe THE thing to have for SCs?
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Aug 26, 2015 20:54
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Fat Samurai posted:Isn't awe THE thing to have for SCs? Normally yes, but when you have Protection 26 from earth magic you don't really need it. Just don't try to take barbarian/undead provinces with it and you'll be fine.
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Aug 26, 2015 21:01
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Fat Samurai posted:Isn't awe THE thing to have for SCs? Not anymore now it would be Being An Earth Snake With E6 (barbs are real doable just be in the back in case something goes wrong)
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Aug 26, 2015 21:01
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Fat Samurai posted:Isn't awe THE thing to have for SCs? The key thing to have for SCs is something to prevent them from getting hit a lot. Awe is the default option for SC pretenders as it's achievable for every chassis by just raising Dom high enough, but really high protection or fear also works. Attempting to expand blindly on turn 1 with your Awe SC pretender and running into longdead horsemen can be ... unfun Fornadan fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Aug 26, 2015 |
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Aug 26, 2015 21:07
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ashdod is the good nation in the hinnom line
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Aug 26, 2015 21:16
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Awake pretenders aren't SCs those don't really exist anymore and you can run into barbs just fine most of the time (with E6 earth snake), just stay away from skeleton until you have earthpower or support.Samog posted:ashdod is the good nation in the hinnom line this is some faint praise right here
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Aug 26, 2015 21:23
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Turin Turambar posted:
I'm not sure what I was expecting but wow EA R'Lyeh went from being the worst nation to the most worst nation - It only has units with iron weapons and armor so now instead of just being unable to get on land and do anything its units are even trashier than before in the water.
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