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ranbo das posted:It's crazy to think any one nation produced over a hundred air craft carriers, especially since there's what, less than 20 in the world today? To be fair, most of those are tiny-rear end CVEs.
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We basically Zerg rushed them with Bogues, Casablancas and to a lesser extent, Independences until we could get production of the Essex, Yorktown and Lexington classes going. If Wikipedia is right, we built 45 of the Bogue class carriers alone, 50 Casablancas and 9 of the Independences. Bogue was a converted cargo ship, Casablanca was an escort, not fleet, carrier from the keel up, and the Indys were just Clevelands with the top half chopped off mid-building and replaced by a flight deck. Very much a gotta have it ASAFP thing. E2A: Special message to demon - Don't forget that 0.4.1 includes nerfs to the Wyoming ! So get cracking ! (or free XP out of it...) MREBoy fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Aug 27, 2015 |
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LegoMan posted:Not to defend CVs but you can't shoot down artillery shells in Wot and I've never once died to a torpedo bomber throwing his torpedoes off the deck of the carrier like you can do with artillery in a pinch. CVS suck but they're nowhere near as unfun as artillery. I mean it insofar as they fulfill the same role of big alpha damage you can't usually retaliate against unless you're another arty/CV. Carriers also aren't shackled by RNG so that a good player will consistently wreck teams with impunity (this would obv be a good thing if they weren't so strong), and where in tanks you can usually get the satisfaction of chasing down an arty at the end of a round that's been shooting you for ten minutes, carriers get enough health and speed to consistently escape and force draws or cap wins. So on top of being the most damaging class they're probably also the most profitable.
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James Garfield posted:It's allegedly better than Montana. The fun hidden surprise on that line is that, until you unlock the second hull, the Izumo guns apparently have godawful AP penetration. I'd argue the other way around, I've only lost to a Yamato once, and that was when it was my Montana vs Yamato, 3 atago, 1 mogami, and a t10 midway. I still killed the Yamato, but i died with it.
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Michi88 posted:I'd argue the other way around, I've only lost to a Yamato once, and that was when it was my Montana vs Yamato, 3 atago, 1 mogami, and a t10 midway. I still killed the Yamato, but i died with it. I imagine most situations a Yamato and a Montana would do about equally well with all else being equal, unless you're in a situation where the secondaries are doing real work.
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Dark Helmut posted:It gets better. I have won 3 out of 16 matches in my NC, and lost credits every time I've died. Are you in the clan? I might demote you for a few months.  Also, our clan is almost completely full of seamen! Currently we haev 97 long, hard members in the clan shooting their loads all over the place, hopefully bringing our special brand of hot man-loving to others along the way. Sporks is still broken and every time he attempts to join it breaks the clan. Bless his heart.. I have reached out to WG support but their 'gently caress if we know what to do' take on this is amazing to say the least. Sporks we love you even though your account is irreparably broken. Please save the last slot for Sporks, if you see we are at 99 seamen don't accept anyone else for a couple of weeks while we see if WG support can fix this cock up. TIA.
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MREBoy posted:We basically Zerg rushed them with Bogues, Casablancas and to a lesser extent, Independences until we could get production of the Essex, Yorktown and Lexington classes going. The Yorktown (1937-41) and Lexington (1927) classes were finished production and commissioned before the war started, and were involved from Pearl Harbor onwards, the Essex class was the only new class of fleet carrier introduced during the war. The Midway class began construction, but weren't complete until after the war ended. The US still built 24 entire Essex class carriers in 4 years though, alongside 3 Midways, and all the escort carriers, plus 4 Iowa class battleships, 27 Clevelands, 14 Baltimores, 8 Atlantas, 3.4 million Destroyers and DEs mostly of the Fletcher class, and more cargo ships, replenishment ships and landing ships than you could fit between you and the horizon. NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Aug 27, 2015 |
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NTRabbit posted:The Yorktown (1937-41) and Lexington (1927) classes were finished production and commissioned before the war started, and were involved from Pearl Harbor onwards, the Essex class was the only new class of fleet carrier introduced during the war. The Midway class began construction, but weren't complete until after the war ended. Guess I wasn't entirely clear - Wikipedia article on Casablancas posted:Although Essex class aircraft carriers were completed in 20 months or less, 1941 projections on the basis of the 38-month average pre-war construction period estimated no new fleet carriers could be expected until 1944.[1] Kaiser had reduced construction time of cargo ships (Liberty Ships) from more than a year to less than 90 days, and proposed building a fleet of 50 small carriers in less than 2 years. So it was expected that Essexes would take 3 years to build, so the company that figured out how to make Liberty cargo ships in 90 days said "No problem!" and planned on crapping these things out at an overall rate of 2 a month or so. Read about it : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casablanca-class_escort_carrier Now I wonder if a Casablanca could be a low tier carrier premium. It's basically a Bogue, but not a cargo ship conversion.
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demonR6 posted:Are you in the clan? I might demote you for a few months. Do I have to drop my pub WoT clan to become a long, hard seaman? Last night, I had a really fun Phoenix game, sinking a carrier and a battleship. And boy is the Kawachi a piece of poo poo. It's probably not that terrible if it's top tier, or in a Tier IV game, but in a Tier V, what a god-awful waste of time. Also, had one of those really fun games where the whole team works together. I was in my Agato and 5 of us stayed back to defend our cap point and the rest pushed out to the enemy's cap point. We had a single Midway carrier and the reds had no carrier. It was a slaughter. I don't think we lost a single ship. Anyone who likes history would find Samar / Leyte a good read.
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MREBoy posted:Now I wonder if a Casablanca could be a low tier carrier premium. It's basically a Bogue, but not a cargo ship conversion. Between the Long Island, Avenger, Casablanca, Sangamon, Commencement Bay, Saipan, Wasp, Yorktown, and United States they have enough unused classes for an entire second tree NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Aug 27, 2015 |
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Aug 27, 2015 19:57
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MoraleHazard posted:Do I have to drop my pub WoT clan to become a long, hard seaman? Yes, sadly to become full of goon seamen you will have to drop your pub clan. If you like them then by all means don't quit over this.. it's just goon seamen.
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NTRabbit posted:The Yorktown (1937-41) and Lexington (1927) classes were finished production and commissioned before the war started, and were involved from Pearl Harbor onwards, the Essex class was the only new class of fleet carrier introduced during the war. The Midway class began construction, but weren't complete until after the war ended. Pretty much. The Lexingtons were early conversions of battlecruiser hulls, and as such were somewhat inefficient and what the USN really figured things out on, since the only aircraft carrier before that had been the Langley, which mainly contributed the first experience and that slow wasn't good for a carrier. They did invent the LSO then, since the executive officer watched every landing, and pilots found his body language useful, eventually going to an experienced pilot with paddles, but that was basically it. They originally had some goofy ideas on them just because they were so big compared to what planes needed then, such as a sideways catapult on the hangar deck. Next up was the Ranger, which was what the carrier people really wanted, with stuff like stacks that would fold out of the way to get exhaust and thus turbulence out of the way, and a flat deck (other than an island, which won out over pilots' objections). She had the huge problem of being appropriately sized to 1930s biplanes, which made her more easily affected by weather that wouldn't keep the lexingtons from flight ops and generally less useful as a carrier, especially with the problem of having basically gently caress all protective features. That kept her to secondary duties, mainly supporting operation Torch. The US followed that up with the three Yorktowns, which were purpose built carriers as big as the treaty would allow (the lexingtons were a bit bigger but were grandfathered in). These were all around good ships and the backbone of the US carrier force at the start of the war, with three of six fleet carriers. The problem with the Yorktowns was that they used as much tonnage as they could, and that left room for one smaller carrier. That's how the Wasp came to be. She was a cut down Yorktown, and as such had basically no armor and do torpedo defense. They knew she was seriously flawed and deployed her to the Atlantic, but after Coral Sea and Midway, they needed her for the Guadalcanal campaign, but she missed the battle of the Eastern Solomons and followed it up by eating three of I-19's torps. Poor Wasp. She did have a really cool feature in that she had the first deck edge elevator. That was a big success. The US had some ideas to make civilian ships that could be converted easily to carriers, but they were rightfully dismissed as stupid. The Japanese tried it and the resulting ships loving sucked. So anyway, the US started the war with six real fleet carriers in the Lexington, Saratoga, Yorktown, Enterprise, Wasp and Hornet. The Japanese had as real fleet carriers Akagi, Kaga, Soryu, Hiryu, Shokaku and Zuikaku. These were the real heavy hitters at the start of the war (the Japanese dragged light carriers like the Ryujo, Zuiho and Shoho to major battles as well, which served to highlight what a bad idea they were by getting sunk). In four battles at the Coral Sea, Midway, the Eastern Solomons and Santa Cruz, these forces beat the everloving poo poo out of each other. The US and Japan both finished with only two carriers, Saratoga, Enterprise, Shokaku and Zuikaku, and some beat to poo poo air wings. The US had started war production of naval stuff right away, and they decided that they needed something they could get out quickly, so they went with a Yorktown that pretty much just had the stuff they really wanted but couldn't fit. The first truly post treaty carriers would be the postwar Midways, and the second half of the war would be prosecuted by as many Essexes as could be built. But that left a gap between the dick punching contest ending in 1942 and the aggressively hegemonizing Essex swarm of 1944. That's where the Independences come in. Right after the war started, they started converting Clevelands to light carriers to get ships faster than they could with Essexes. A lot of carrier strength in 1943 on the US side was in those. They were small and thus did poorly in weather and couldn't take a hit (poor Princeton), but they could go fast enough to work with fleet carriers and they were desperately needed. The Saipans were purpose built derivatives of the Baltimore class, and were better designed ships built with the intention of replacing lost Independences. They missed the war and got made into command ships. The rest of them are a ton of escort carriers, both converted and purpose built. They were unglamorous and dumpy but did an important job. God help us all if they put in the United States. Nobody wants a floating nuke dispenser. xthetenth fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Aug 27, 2015 |
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xthetenth posted:The US and Japan both finished with only two carriers, Saratoga,  Big Exthetenth posted:God help us all if they put in the United States. Nobody wants a floating nuke dispenser. It's the only other tier 10 candidate There's just lots of classes of the things they can still use, was my point, and hope. NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Aug 27, 2015 |
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I can't wait until WG runs out of real life ships then starts dabbling into the utterly insane and borderline ridiculous just to add more ships to the various lines.
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Night10194 posted:Speaking of, what the hell is the Gremaschy? Italian designed, Russian built destroyer
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Night10194 posted:Speaking of, what the hell is the Gremaschy? It's a real ship Not sure why they picked that one in particular but it doesn't look like any of them were especially famous. It shot at Nazi ships at least. It wouldn't be surprising if that's the tier 5 Soviet tech tree destroyer as well.
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NTRabbit posted:
Fixed, goddamn phone keyboards. Lost track of where I was I think.
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I can't aim with the Cleveland at all, Jesus Christ. What can I pen with its AP rounds? I can occasionally get a few but it seems a lot less reliable than the Omaha's AP citadel hits. I'm awful with the Cleveland when I was pretty good with the Phoenix and Omaha too. The turret traverse speed is also bad. Anyone have advice? Is the upgrade to the guns worth it? 1 more round per minute but 10 more seconds on turn time...
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Angering people by capping is one of my all time favorite thing to do in these games. HOW DARE YOU PLAY THE GAME!
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DurosKlav posted:Angering people by capping is one of my all time favorite thing to do in these games. HOW DARE YOU PLAY THE GAME! "I play for EXP!" >leaves cap >loses Wow, look at all the XP you got for losing! Every god damned pubbie ever
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 SPORKS UPDATE! WG Customer Support, communicative, attentive and so goddamned friendly over the past few weeks I am beginning to worry what the gently caress is going on just contacted me about Sporks' broken account. They are going to do some form of database fuckery hoping to fix the account then add you to a WG internal clan hoping that it is fixed. If that works they are going to just add you to SEAMN and be done with it. We take no blame if adding Sporks to the WG clan breaks everything irreparably and all things clan related across WoT and WoWP are completely hosed for who knows how long. You just might be unfolding the apocalypse upon WG Sporks.
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   gently caress you stat posting haters, sometimes you just have to let your balls swing in the wind. I will be seriously pissed off when this little spitfire gets nerfed.
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Ain't nothin' wrong with posting cool stats after good games. Brawling with the Kongo and New York is the most fun I have in this game outside of the Omaha. Pubbies have no idea, generally, that they should be angling between volleys to avoid getting pasted in the Citadel. Also, while I can't seem to Citadel pen them, I can get 6000-7000 AP volleys in on Myogis and Wyomings with the Furutaka at close range.
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demonR6 posted:
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lol ^demonR6 posted:
poo poo I wished I had known this, my account is not even letting me log in!!!! edit: My account is totally hosed right now, I can't even log in. AngrySpork fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Aug 27, 2015 |
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Artificer posted:I can't aim with the Cleveland at all, Jesus Christ. What can I pen with its AP rounds? I can occasionally get a few but it seems a lot less reliable than the Omaha's AP citadel hits. The gun upgrade is very much worth it. The upgrade also speeds up turret rotation enough to be able to keep the guns on target when dodging. Also the fire control is very good as being able to out range lower tier cruisers is a godsend against HE spam. As for hitting just aim for the water level and go for it, but only against the sides of cruisers. Against battleships or the front/rear of cruisers HE spam is the way to go as you won't have the pen to punch through (RNjesus may say not)
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Burt posted:
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Is it just me, or does the stock Nagato's Type 88 shells not have particularly good penetration? I swear I'm hitting ships in the same area that I did with the Fuso that got citadels then, but I'm virtually never getting them now. Battleships are the primary culprit, but even cruisers seem to bounce or just take normal penetrations more often. Just a gut feeling, and thus could be wrong, since WG doesn't actually list penetration values.
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Foxtrot_13 posted:The gun upgrade is very much worth it. The upgrade also speeds up turret rotation enough to be able to keep the guns on target when dodging. Also the fire control is very good as being able to out range lower tier cruisers is a godsend against HE spam. Alright I'm just gonna give up on AP until a cruiser gives me their broadside and at fairly close range.
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The account fuckery is not going so well for me right now. Of course they decide to change things when I am in game, and got I booted out. I cannot log in and even resetting my password doesnt help. Of course this means I can't really put a proper ticket in (although I did through the account recovery page), and even that hasn't gotten me a reply yet. Demon could you please PM or post the ticket number they responded to you with? edit: I am able to log in to the website now, but I dont know if anything is fixed or not edit2: I am still not in the SEAMN clan it seems. AngrySpork fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Aug 27, 2015 |
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I just replied to the ticket a while ago, they have not even opened it yet it is still pending reply. I cannot imagine they would have gotten to it right away either so they might be other fuckery afoot.
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demonR6 posted:I just replied to the ticket a while ago, they have not even opened it yet it is still pending reply. I cannot imagine they would have gotten to it right away either so they might be other fuckery afoot. Well they certainly hosed something up for a while there....
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Artificer posted:Alright I'm just gonna give up on AP until a cruiser gives me their broadside and at fairly close range. The problem with using AP on the Cleveland is that it has terrible shell velocity. Your shots will be hitting either the deck or the side armor at an angle except at the extremes of either side of your range, so you're better off just slinging HE, as that won't have the same problem. If you get a flat angle against a cruiser, AP will certainly do more damage. And plunging fire from a Cleveland is hilariously inaccurate (since you're shooting at 15-17km, which is a 14-17 second flight time!). May as well stick with HE there, instead of gambling for pens with AP. The 203mms of the Pepsicola and later boats have much better ballistics, making AP a better choice. The Cleveland is by no means a bad boat (in fact, it's one of the 2 biggest candidates for "OP as gently caress"), just shoot HE. Just be aware that your ship is fairly fragile, even if it feels like its not. That's just because people aren't hitting your citadel. Once they find it, you'll sink just as fast as a Pensacola or any traditionally squishy boat.
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Couple pages ago we said we only post great games from now on. Is this good enough ?   *drat, I wish I had a replay*
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I find if you're really really close AP carves the gently caress out of light cruisers because the shots cluster so close together
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Just when I think I can't squeeze any more enjoyment out of this game I get to meet another lovely person like 79bigred79, who apparently did 3 tours overseas and suffers from PTSD and can be sent into a mouth-frothing rage by saying "Victory for Prosperous Korea!" He believes firmly that Koreans should just shoot themselves in the head, and no-dick civilians like myself should shut up and let triggermen such as himself tell us how large his balls are and if we don't he will happily demonstrate what he did in Fallujha to some ragheads. I didn't take any screenshots, but I'm sure the conversation would have been fascinating. And while I would snap out some petty one-liners to egg him on we were pretty much demolishing his team while he stroked his ego. In the end even his own teammates were telling him to shut the gently caress up and making fun of him. I know it's not cool to make fun of the mentally handicapped, but sometimes I just have to do it anyways.
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