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Who What Now posted:What did autistic people obsess over before the invention of guns and trains?
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Do any of you people believe you should defend yourself if attacked or your home is invaded by a criminal? If you should defend yourself, why not use the most effective means of defense: a gun?
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Aug 28, 2015 19:26
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Imagine... a gun control bill that manages to satisfy everyone, and then the President confuses a rifle and a carbine in his remarks, and the bill is sucked away into a vortex and the NRA kills a million people in retaliation.various cheeses posted:Do any of you people believe you should defend yourself if attacked or your home is invaded by a criminal? Why would I need a gun, when I have a lethal intruder protection system on my person and in my home, and a high-pressure electrically-ignited flamethrower, just for kicks? Granted, I've gone through twenty children, but I wouldn't be concerned about home invasion if I wasn't a total SOB, right? Effectronica fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Aug 28, 2015 |
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Aug 28, 2015 19:26
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various cheeses posted:Washington DC is like the glowing red weak point on a boss I guess. Lol if you don't think there are countless plans and contingencies to protect members of the government from everything ranging from nukes to telekinetic Dolphins. DoD has a lot of budget to justify.
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Aug 28, 2015 19:27
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various cheeses posted:Do any of you people believe you should defend yourself if attacked or your home is invaded by a criminal? Crossbow, dude. We just went over this a page ago.
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Aug 28, 2015 19:29
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The problem of comparing gun crime in the U.S. as a whole to gun crime in other countries is that the U.S. is basically a collection of small countries that have widely different cultures, laws, crime rates, and gun ownership. Looking at the data, there has to be a factor besides the amount of guns that are owned by the population that causes high rates of gun deaths. Some of the states in the U.S. with the highest rates of gun ownership also have below average rates of murder by guns. Some states have gun murder rates that are below other countries who have much stricter gun control than the U.S., while having much higher rates of ownership of firearms. Washington D.C. has the lowest rate of firearm ownership in the country while having one of the highest rates of gun murders. I don't have the hard data, but I am sure other urban areas such as Chicago have similar figures. Banning guns for the 99.9% of the population in the U.S. who can own and use a gun responsibly will not solve the problems of the urban areas in this country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state I live in a high crime urban area and I will not give up any of my guns no matter what law is passed. I don't feel safe in my neighborhood even with my guns, but I definitely won't feel any more safe if the gun grabbers get their wish to take away my guns. My other law abiding neighbors feel exactly the same way I do. The people in the area that I live in who are responsible for most of the crime don't care what gun laws are passed, and would actually support taking away the guns from law abiding citizens. Criminals #1 fear is not the police or anything else, it is a potential target who is armed. Even if it were possible to get rid of every single gun (legal and illegal) in this country, it would not solve the underlying problem of urban crime. I would actually feel less safe, because it then would come down to the individual strength of the criminal and victim. When I am at work, I feel much better that my wife would not have to physically fend off a violent person who potentially has much more strength and the ability to do violence to another human than she does. The firearms that I own have only 1 purpose, to stop or kill another human being who wishes to do harm to me or my family. I am under no illusion about this fact, and will not argue that I only own guns to shoot paper or anything else. I am not some Rambo or an internet tough guy. I am a non-violent law abiding person that has never done any harm to an innocent person and I want to live out my life with my wife and my daughter in peace. The last thing I ever want to do is use one of my guns to harm somebody else, but if it comes down to it, I will not hesitate to use my firearms to protect my wife or my 2 year old daughter. It makes me very upset that people who have no idea what it is like to live in a high crime urban area wishes to take away my ability to defend my family. During my life time, I have been the victim of many crimes, including violent crime. The police have not been any help to me, and the perpetrators of these crimes against me have never even been caught. Anti-gunners sit up on their high horse but they have no idea what it is like to live with this on a daily basis. I don't have the financial means to move to a safer area currently. If anyone who wishes to take my guns away would like to donate to this cause, they are more than welcome too. Also, don't tell me that nobody is going to take my guns, there are a large number of people who would like nothing better than to do this very thing. People who want to pass ineffectual gun control such as assault weapons bans and standard capacity magazine bans are only interested in completely banning guns, and are using the death by a thousand cuts strategy to achieve this goal. I used to vote democrat, but now I am now a card carrying Republican. You can call me a single issue voter all you want. I support traditionally liberal policies such as gay marriage, abortion rights, etc., but none of these things do me any good living in an area where my only means of protection against people who wish to do my family harm is either me or my wife's physical strength, or our firearms. As I already stated earlier, the police are completely useless in protecting my family, or even finding the people who do harm to me and my family. All I could realistically hope for is if a crime committed against my family is heinous enough, it might actually motivate the police to seriously investigate and hopefully find the people responsible. I am unwilling to put my families safety in the hands of a police force who does not even give a poo poo.
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Aug 28, 2015 19:32
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raven4267 posted:The firearms that I own have only 1 purpose, to stop or kill another human being who wishes to do harm to me or my family. I am under no illusion about this fact, and will not argue that I only own guns to shoot paper or anything else. I am not some Rambo or an internet tough guy. I am a non-violent law abiding person that has never done any harm to an innocent person and I want to live out my life with my wife and my daughter in peace. statistically more people are murdered by family members than strangers, which is why i'm proud that tens of thousands of patriotic and responsible gun owning americans use their constitutionally protected rights to preemptively defend their families from themselves and their minds from the unwanted invasion of suicidal thoughts
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Aug 28, 2015 19:35
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raven4267 posted:The problem of comparing gun crime in the U.S. as a whole to gun crime in other countries is that the U.S. is basically a collection of small countries that have widely different cultures, laws, crime rates, and gun ownership. Looking at the data, there has to be a factor besides the amount of guns that are owned by the population that causes high rates of gun deaths. Some of the states in the U.S. with the highest rates of gun ownership also have below average rates of murder by guns. Some states have gun murder rates that are below other countries who have much stricter gun control than the U.S., while having much higher rates of ownership of firearms. Source your quotes
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Aug 28, 2015 19:36
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raven4267 posted:The problem of comparing gun crime in the U.S. as a whole to gun crime in other countries is that the U.S. is basically a collection of small countries that have widely different cultures, laws, crime rates, and gun ownership. Looking at the data, there has to be a factor besides the amount of guns that are owned by the population that causes high rates of gun deaths. Some of the states in the U.S. with the highest rates of gun ownership also have below average rates of murder by guns. Some states have gun murder rates that are below other countries who have much stricter gun control than the U.S., while having much higher rates of ownership of firearms.
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Aug 28, 2015 19:36
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Popular Thug Drink posted:statistically more people are murdered by family members than strangers, which is why i'm proud that tens of thousands of patriotic and responsible gun owning americans use their constitutionally protected rights to preemptively defend their families from themselves and their minds from the unwanted invasion of suicidal thoughts Are you referencing that silly rear end Kellerman study again?
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Aug 28, 2015 19:36
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various cheeses posted:Are you quoting that silly rear end Kellerman study again? no i'm quoting the noted communist fifth column The Medical Community, the APA, and the NIMH who everyone knows are vicious gun grabbers bent on seeing your wives raped and your children sold to medical researchers
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Aug 28, 2015 19:38
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Mr. Wookums posted:That's a whole lot of words to say that you're afraid of the blacks. gently caress you I am black you racist piece of poo poo. Why don't you try debating my points instead of posting racist quips.
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Aug 28, 2015 19:40
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raven4267 posted:gently caress you I am black you racist piece of poo poo. Why don't you try debating my points instead of posting racist quips. he's also black so don't call him a racist, racist
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Aug 28, 2015 19:41
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Popular Thug Drink posted:he's also black so don't call him a racist, racist Do you actually want to debate anything or just post stupid one liners?
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Aug 28, 2015 19:42
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The chance of a blanket ban on guns from either political party is incredibly low, and the chance you will have to use a gun to defend your home from invasion is also incredibly low. So discarding all your other supposed values & beliefs for a single issue that will in all likelihood not matter at all is pretty dumb! Also, you're not black. C'mon.
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Aug 28, 2015 19:43
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raven4267 posted:Do you actually want to debate anything or just post stupid one liners? stupid one liners are better than *squint* stupid 142 liners haha no really all kidding aside if you actually cared for your family's safety you wouldn't have a gun in the house, you're statistically much more likely to be harmed or killed by owning a firearm. it's like thinking that not wearing a seatbelt is safer as it makes you more cautious and a better driver
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Aug 28, 2015 19:45
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lfield posted:The chance of a blanket ban on guns from either political party is incredibly low, and the chance you will have to use a gun to defend your home from invasion is also incredibly low. So discarding all your other supposed values & beliefs for a single issue that will in all likelihood not matter at all is pretty dumb! Look man, to hell with gays being treated like people, nuts to planned parenthood and women's health, I need mah guns!
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Aug 28, 2015 19:45
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raven4267 posted:gently caress you I am black you racist piece of poo poo. Why don't you try debating my points instead of posting racist quips. What points? That you want to shoot some shifty looking people who may or may not share the same skin color as you? What's to debate about that?
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Aug 28, 2015 19:45
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raven4267 posted:Do you actually want to debate anything or just post stupid one liners? The anti-gun side has been getting poo poo on for the past decade. Their debate is basically just ineffective bitching and ad hominem at this point. They're a bunch of crybabies who refuse to take responsibility for their own safety or actions, and would prefer to depend on some vague authority figure to do it for them. They just want to punch a fat white redneck strawman and hug each other afterwards.
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Aug 28, 2015 19:46
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lfield posted:The chance of a blanket ban on guns from either political party is incredibly low, and the chance you will have to use a gun to defend your home from invasion is also incredibly low. So discarding all your other supposed values & beliefs for a single issue that will in all likelihood not matter at all is pretty dumb! The chance might be low, but I am not voting for people who would like nothing better than to do that exact thing. What, makes you think I am not black? Are black people not allowed to have an opinion about guns here?
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Aug 28, 2015 19:47
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raven4267 posted:The chance might be low, but I am not voting for people who would like nothing better than to do that exact thing. so you don't vote for democrats because you think they're going to invade your home? please sell your gun before you murder your wife in a fit of paranoid delusions
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Aug 28, 2015 19:48
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Who What Now posted:What points? That you want to shoot some shifty looking people who may or may not share the same skin color as you? What's to debate about that? I specifically said I don't want to ever shoot anybody. Did you even read what I posted?
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Aug 28, 2015 19:48
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If you think guns will ever be banned you are not smart enough to own a gun.
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Aug 28, 2015 19:49
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raven4267 posted:I specifically said I don't want to ever shoot anybody. Did you even read what I posted? I know what you said. I also know what you said was a lie. People who don't want to shoot anybody don't talk at great length about how'll they'll totally shoot them some
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Aug 28, 2015 19:51
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It's always cool when gun nuts try to pass themselves off as rednecks and peckerwoods rather than the classic-rock-listening suburbanites they are.
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Aug 28, 2015 19:53
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Who What Now posted:I know what you said. I also know what you said was a lie. People who don't want to shoot anybody don't talk at great length about how'll they'll totally shoot them some So what's your plan for it? Just roll over and give them everything they want?
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Aug 28, 2015 19:53
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various cheeses posted:So what's your plan for it? Just roll over and give them everything they want? sane people don't have plans to deal with an extremely rare event like home invasion. what's your plan for when you get mugged by a leprechaun? (it's to shoot the nearest minority with a gun)
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Aug 28, 2015 19:54
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Making guns illegal will make sure no one has them. There is precedence for this, look how well banning drugs and alcohol worked.
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Aug 28, 2015 19:54
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Popular Thug Drink posted:sane people don't have plans to deal with an extremely rare event like home invasion. what's your plan for when you get mugged by a leprechaun? (it's to shoot the nearest minority with a gun) So your plan is for it to just not happen in the first place.
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Aug 28, 2015 19:55
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Who What Now posted:If you think guns will ever be banned you are not smart enough to own a gun. I live in Chicago, which banned law abiding citizens from owning handguns for many years. There are many other ways to effectively ban guns, such as taxes on ammo and guns and other restrictive laws.
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Aug 28, 2015 19:55
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Popular Thug Drink posted:sane people don't have plans to deal with an extremely rare event like home invasion. what's your plan for when you get mugged by a leprechaun? (it's to shoot the nearest minority with a gun) Said by somebody who has never been the victim of a home invasion. Get off your high horse.
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Aug 28, 2015 19:56
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raven4267 posted:Said by somebody who has never been the victim of a home invasion. Get off your high horse. so you're saying that your home was invaded and your gun didn't protect you? what a shocker. i, myself, am incredibly suprised at this turn of events
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Aug 28, 2015 19:56
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various cheeses posted:The anti-gun side has been getting poo poo on for the past decade. Their debate is basically just ineffective bitching and ad hominem at this point. They're a bunch of crybabies who refuse to take responsibility for their own safety or actions, and would prefer to depend on some vague authority figure to do it for them. They just want to punch a fat white redneck strawman and hug each other afterwards. This is funny because any time a legitimate point is brought up by either side it's met with ad hominem attacks red herrings and strawman arguments.
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Aug 28, 2015 19:57
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Who What Now posted:I know what you said. I also know what you said was a lie. People who don't want to shoot anybody don't talk at great length about how'll they'll totally shoot them some So this is how you debate, just accuse the other person that they are lying? Well, you are a lying also.
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Aug 28, 2015 19:57
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various cheeses posted:So what's your plan for it? Just roll over and give them everything they want? Lock my bedroom door, announce where I am and that I am calling the police and let my homeowners insurance replace the stolen stuff with better stuff. Because I am not a sociopath praying for the chance to finally feel like a man while I stand over the steaming corpse (of my family member I just killed). Who What Now fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Aug 28, 2015 |
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Aug 28, 2015 19:57
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various cheeses posted:So your plan is for it to just not happen in the first place. yeah i'm part of the vast majority of americans who has never fantasized about the precise sequence of events necessary to legally murder a stranger
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Aug 28, 2015 19:58
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Debating gun laws is no longer possible. It's always just people venting their frustrations on the dumbest members of the opposing team they can find.
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Aug 28, 2015 20:00
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if someone was burglarizing my home in the middle of the night, id kill them motherfucking dead. and youre a retard if you wouldnt
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Aug 28, 2015 20:04
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The problem with gun laws is that any effective gun law requires not just regular political will, which isn't there but could be, but the supernatural levels of political will required to amend the Constitution.
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Aug 28, 2015 20:04
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various cheeses posted:So what's your plan for it? Just roll over and give them everything they want? considering the risks involved, I'd still not have a gun and not run the risk of occidentally shooting someone I loved or hurting myself, which is statistically a far more likely occurrence than a dangerous home invasion.
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