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Jonathan Yeah! posted:"Treatment was entirely supportive" - does that mean they were just supervised? Yeah, supportive treatment is basically just making sure they're hydrated and keeping them from wandering about and getting hurt. WoodrowSkillson posted:Also he actually died at the hospital, so they were not excessively callous in continuing the show. It's debatable. Some claim he was dead when they loaded him out but only pronounced him at the hospital. The tribute show they did for him the next night was actually rather sweet. 
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I think more recently when Jerry Lawler had a heart attack at ringside he technically died for a minute but was revived. E: I can't get through the Owen tribute show. It hurts too much.
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I inevitably saw the Budd Dwyer video many years ago, when it was being used as "edgy" viewing material online and sent to me on MSN. It's horrible, and seeing it might have traumatised me just a little bit. Quite a few pro wrestling things could probably apply to this thread. Here's one well-known to wrestling fans: the Mass Transit Incident. To blade is to cut oneself or to be cut intentionally, for the visual effect of blood. quote:Before the match Kulas asked New Jack to blade him since he never had done it himself and New Jack agreed. During the match, D-Von and New Jack brawled outside the ring, while Mustafa and Transit fought inside the ring. The match was booked as a squash and D-Von was quickly isolated outside the ring. The Gangstas then double-teamed Kulas inside the ring, with New Jack beating the young man forcefully with toasters, crutches, and various other objects. The end of the match saw New Jack blade Kulas, with an exacto knife, but accidentally cut too deep and severed two arteries in Kulas' forehead. Kulas immediately passed out as the blood was spraying out of his head. [1][2][3]
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pienipple posted:It's debatable. Some claim he was dead when they loaded him out but only pronounced him at the hospital. Agree 100% here - granted it's tough to have to stop a show and refund/reimburse, but I'd have preferred that over the PPV going on anyhow. Basically the impact killed him almost instantly, from what I've heard he came down 50+ feet, slammed into a turnbuckle and twisted on the ropes, and flopped into the ring. The impact was so harsh his heart ripped away from its arteries and he bled to death internally, among other injuries.
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Like Dale Earnhardt? His death always unnerved me. You see other crashes where the car basically disintegrates, but the driver walks away; yet here was what looked like a minor accident that got Earnhardt killed. Yes, the car is supposed to absorb the impact, etc, but still. Of course, car racing is full of horrible, unnerving deaths. http://www.ranker.com/list/the-20-worst-race-car-crashes-ever/thebard
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Jose posted:The only known death from LSD was someone who injected an absolutely colossal dose iirc. An active LSD dose is something like 75 micrograms An elephant was murdered with an overdose of LSD: https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_history4.shtml
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That wrestling thing was mental. They just carried on. Idk what it was that actually killed the guy but shaking him like crazy definitely isn't a thing they teach you in first aid courses. Edit : lsd is my favourite drug. I loved it in the nineties, taken with mescaline. Flying keys, strawberries, microdots, ohms, etc. Was trying to find a documentary I once saw on the subject because people might find it interesting, but no joy. During the acid house / rave scene of the late 80s/early 90s there was only one guy importing it, and yet nearly every clubber in the country was taking it every week. Mental. But awesome. stickyfngrdboy has a new favorite as of 13:58 on Aug 28, 2015 |
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stickyfngrdboy posted:That wrestling thing was mental. They just carried on. Idk what it was that actually killed the guy but shaking him like crazy definitely isn't a thing they teach you in first aid courses. The other wrestlers clearly know something is up because Rey pulls his kick over the guy's head when he's still on the ropes and hasn't gone all the way down. They quickly go for a finish so they can get him off without making it too obvious, but guessing they didn't realise how bad he was hurt. No idea what the gently caress the bald guy thought he was doing though.
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darkwasthenight posted:The other wrestlers clearly know something is up because Rey pulls his kick over the guy's head when he's still on the ropes and hasn't gone all the way down. They quickly go for a finish so they can get him off without making it too obvious, but guessing they didn't realise how bad he was hurt. No idea what the gently caress the bald guy thought he was doing though. I don't think they would have guessed he would have had a spinal injury based on what happened in the match, its not like he got dropped on is head or anything. At first they probably just thought he got knocked out or had a concussion, which happens all the time, and wrestlers are usually able to at least improvise a quick finish to the match when it happens.
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Basebf555 posted:I don't think they would have guessed he would have had a spinal injury based on what happened in the match, its not like he got dropped on is head or anything. At first they probably just thought he got knocked out or had a concussion, which happens all the time, and wrestlers are usually able to at least improvise a quick finish to the match when it happens. The weirdest thing is how he still managed to fall in the exact proper set up for the 619 considering he was already dead
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Was it spinal injury that did for him? It looked very innocuous but he did seem to whiplash quite hard.
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Khazar-khum posted:Like Dale Earnhardt? It's really not unnerving that Dale refused to wear a HANS device; it's just stupid. I don't think there's ever been a definitive answer, but I do believe it's pretty widely accepted that Dale likely survives that crash if he's wearing a HANS device. Some fans go mental when you bring that up. "He was a competitor! He wanted to win! It was uncomfortable! He couldn't race with that thing on!" Well, now he's dead. Let's hold a seance and find out if he'd trade a couple of wins for being alive another two or three decades.
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stickyfngrdboy posted:Was it spinal injury that did for him? It looked very innocuous but he did seem to whiplash quite hard. Yeah, his Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perro_Aguayo_Jr.#Death) says that the whiplash broke three vertebrae and he died pretty much instantly.
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On the subject of auto racing fatalities: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fireball_Robertsquote:On May 24, 1964, at the World 600 in Charlotte, Roberts had qualified in the eleventh position and started in the middle of the pack. On lap seven, Ned Jarrett and Junior Johnson collided and spun out and Roberts crashed trying to avoid them. Roberts' Ford slammed backward into the inside retaining wall, flipped over and burst into flames. Witnesses at the track claimed they heard Roberts screaming, "Ned, help me", from inside his burning car after the wreck. Jarrett rushed to save Roberts as his car was engulfed by the flames. Roberts suffered second- and third-degree burns over eighty percent of his body and was airlifted to a hospital in critical condition. Although it was widely believed that Roberts had an allergic reaction to flame-retardant chemicals, he was secretly an asthmatic, and the chemicals made his breathing worse.
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Khazar-khum posted:Like Dale Earnhardt? The problem with Earnhardt's crash (iirc, saw the footage live and don't care to re watch it to confirm) is that he didn't get lift or rotational velocity to scrub off energy, he just plowed head-first into the wall. If he'd worn a HANS he'd definitely have been better off. If he'd rolled or hit rear first he'd probably still be racing.
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Two Indian Sisters Ordered to Be Raped by Village Council Beg Supreme Court for Helpquote:The petition by human-rights organization Amnesty International has garnered over 16,000 signatures thus far, and calls for law enforcement to stop the council-sanctioned rape of 23-year-old Meenakshi Kumari and her 15-year-old sister in Baghpat village in the northern Indian state of Uttar Pradesh. Clochette has a new favorite as of 20:38 on Aug 28, 2015 |
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Aug 28, 2015 20:24
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Guy eloped with girl? Rape his sisters. Makes perfect sense.
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Clochette posted:Two Indian Sisters Ordered to Be Raped by Village Council Beg Supreme Court for Help Yo link is dead
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AnonSpore posted:Guy eloped with girl? Rape his sisters. Makes perfect sense. "guy stole some family's property; therefore wreck some of his family's possessions in return" Women don't count as people, just as something that belongs to a man, to a huge swathe of the world (including massive amounts of the United States: that's the underlying rationale behind "you don't mess with Another Man's Wife" and "asking her father for his daughter's hand in marriage" and poo poo, after all)
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Aug 28, 2015 20:36
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Asclepius Hot Rod posted:Yo link is dead Thanks, I fixed it.
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InediblePenguin posted:"guy stole some family's property; therefore wreck some of his family's possessions in return" Women don't count as people, just as something that belongs to a man, to a huge swathe of the world (including massive amounts of the United States: that's the underlying rationale behind "you don't mess with Another Man's Wife" and "asking her father for his daughter's hand in marriage" and poo poo, after all) youre retarded nigga (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Steve Austin getting his neck broken and still finishing the match. . .that was nuts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKYYsg-jMfU
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crumby posted:youre retarded nigga He's not wrong
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On the topic of women being treated as property, the practice of Sati involves the expectation that a man's widow would be burnt alive on his funeral pyre since she no longer has a purpose: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice) Tibor has a new favorite as of 22:54 on Aug 28, 2015 |
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Aug 28, 2015 22:52
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Tibor posted:On the topic of women being treated as property, the practice of Sati involves the expectation that a man's widow would be burnt alive on his funeral pyre since she no longer has a purpose: They show this in the movie Mangal Pandey: The Rising. She's rescued in like two minutes but it's still pretty  . I didn't see any mention of this in the wiki but in the movie  as soon as she tries to get away they pin her down with boat paddles while showering her with flower petals and chanting.
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InediblePenguin posted:"guy stole some family's property; therefore wreck some of his family's possessions in return" Women don't count as people, just as something that belongs to a man, to a huge swathe of the world (including massive amounts of the United States: that's the underlying rationale behind "you don't mess with Another Man's Wife" and "asking her father for his daughter's hand in marriage" and poo poo, after all) If you don't see the difference between the innocuous "Mr Roberts, Missy and I are in love and would like to get married" and raping a 15 year old because her brother eloped, I can't help you.
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Centripetal Horse posted:It's really not unnerving that Dale refused to wear a HANS device; it's just stupid. I don't think there's ever been a definitive answer, but I do believe it's pretty widely accepted that Dale likely survives that crash if he's wearing a HANS device. Some fans go mental when you bring that up. "He was a competitor! He wanted to win! It was uncomfortable! He couldn't race with that thing on!" Well, now he's dead. Let's hold a seance and find out if he'd trade a couple of wins for being alive another two or three decades. True facts.
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Khazar-khum posted:If you don't see the difference between the innocuous "Mr Roberts, Missy and I are in love and would like to get married" and raping a 15 year old because her brother eloped, I can't help you. If YOU don't see the difference between me explaining a mindset and me condoning that mindset how the everloving gently caress did you manage to survive high school history lessons about Hitler, dude. Thought my disapproval was obvious enough in my wording, but apparently some people are loving idiots
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^^^ Whoa dude https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdSyx13l5E0Centripetal Horse posted:It's really not unnerving that Dale refused to wear a HANS device; it's just stupid. I don't think there's ever been a definitive answer, but I do believe it's pretty widely accepted that Dale likely survives that crash if he's wearing a HANS device. Some fans go mental when you bring that up. "He was a competitor! He wanted to win! It was uncomfortable! He couldn't race with that thing on!" Well, now he's dead. Let's hold a seance and find out if he'd trade a couple of wins for being alive another two or three decades. My memory of the timeline on this isn't great, but wasn't the controversy that he was the last driver not wearing a full face helmet, not that he didn't wear HANS? I feel like HANS wasn't a widespread thing until post-Earnhardt death, like it was still relatively new in NASCAR and not super widely used yet. 13Pandora13 has a new favorite as of 16:04 on Aug 29, 2015 |
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InediblePenguin posted:If YOU don't see the difference between me explaining a mindset and me condoning that mindset how the everloving gently caress did you manage to survive high school history lessons about Hitler, dude. Thought my disapproval was obvious enough in my wording, but apparently some people are loving idiots This has to be some kind of schtick.
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InediblePenguin posted:"guy stole some family's property; therefore wreck some of his family's possessions in return" Women don't count as people, just as something that belongs to a man, to a huge swathe of the world (including massive amounts of the United States: that's the underlying rationale behind "you don't mess with Another Man's Wife" and "asking her father for his daughter's hand in marriage" and poo poo, after all) I'm pretty sure not messing around with someone else's wife is because that's a horrible thing to do and you're a loving rear end in a top hat if you do so, not because she's property.
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ranbo das posted:I'm pretty sure not messing around with someone else's wife is because that's a horrible thing to do and you're a loving rear end in a top hat if you do so, not because she's property. The sentiment behind that is often buried beneath the idea that the woman has no agency and can't say no if a man wants her, rather than it being the result of respecting the relationship that she's chosen. If women are just property, then infidelity is an assault on the man's ownership. If women are human beings, then infidelity is a result of her not being happy, and her own agency being expressed. It's a not really subtle change in ideology and intent.
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ranbo das posted:I'm pretty sure not messing around with someone else's wife is because that's a horrible thing to do and you're a loving rear end in a top hat if you do so, not because she's property. Nah, they're right. It's an ownership thing a lot of the time. It's why some women have a fake ring to ward off cat callers. Many men don't listen to "no", but they'll listen to " I belong to another man "
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Serious Cephalopod posted:Many men don't listen to "no", but they'll listen to " I belong to another man " It's the other way around for me tbh E: i think that makes me a feminist
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It's always worse when it happens to one of your own: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3739076
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In an ideal world the reason for not messing with "Another Man's Wife" would be "respect for the woman's relationship choices and life decisions" but we do not live there. we live in the real world where women are still legally chattel in some countries, and even here in the good ol' U. S. of A. the husband had full and final control over all the property in the marriage even if it had been paid for by the wife with her own money from her own job and her name was the only one on the title until 1979. Right now across America girls are being taught, in school sex ed classes, that they shouldn't have sex until marriage because no one wants a present that someone else has already opened, which is pretty blatantly treating women as property via direct pointed metaphor. While women are no longer legally considered chattel in the west, they were considered chattel in our culture for centuries upon centuries and to think that a few decades is enough to completely eradicate all traces of that mindset from the culture is naive as gently caress NOTE TO SOMETHING AWFUL FORUMS READERS: I DISAPPROVE OF THIS SITUATION AND WOULD PREFER TO LIVE IN THE IDEAL WORLD I MENTIONED IN THE FIRST SENTENCE. I AM IN FAVOR OF TREATING WOMEN AS ACTUAL AUTONOMOUS HUMAN BEINGS RATHER THAN PROPERTY.
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How long do you think he'll rant if nobody tells him that wasn't the other guy's issue with his last post?
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Let's move onto a cheery topic, shall we? Animal abuse: Shenyang Zoo Scandal quote:2009[edit] Silver Spring Monkeys Content warning: there's an image of a monkey in restraints on the wiki page. It's not gorey but it looks quite painful and may be unsettling to some. There's also a photo lower down in the page of two monkeys in cages reaching out to each other. Again, not gorey, but it is striking and sympathetic. quote:Inside the Institute for Behavioral Research, Taub was conducting deafferentation experiments on 16 male crab-eating macaques (Macaca fascicularis), and one female rhesus macaque (Macaca mulatta), each about 14 inches tall, all born wild in the Philippines. Each monkey lived alone in a wire cage measuring 18 x 18 inches, with no bedding, no food bowl, and no environmental enrichment, the cages kept in a windowless room measuring 15 ft square.[12] Pacheco writes that 12 of the 17 monkeys had had one or both arms deafferented, while according to the Laboratory Primate Newsletter 10 had undergone deafferentation, the seven others acting as the control group.[13] quote:Pacheco wrote that he found the monkeys living in filthy conditions. He found frozen monkey corpses in a refrigerator, and others floating in formaldehyde.[2] He alleged that, in the surgery room, human and monkey records were scattered everywhere, including under the operating table, while soiled clothes, old shoes, rat droppings, and urine covered the floor, with cockroaches in the drawers, on the floor, and around the scrub sink. He said the wires of the cages were caked in filth, with feces piled in the bottom of the cages, and urine and rust on every surface, with the 17 monkeys picking at scraps of food that had fallen through the wire floor of the cages into the waste tray below. He alleged that the cages had not been cleaned for months, that were no dishes to keep the food away from the feces, and that there was nothing for the monkeys to sit on but the cages' wire bottoms. He wrote that 12 of the monkeys had deafferented limbs, with 39 of their fingers deformed or missing. He described them as neurotic, attacking their deafferented limbs as though they were foreign objects:[5] the prophet hen of leeds quote:In Leeds, England, in 1806,[1] villagers believed doomsday had come when a hen began laying eggs with the phrase "Christ is coming" on each one,[2] but it was later found to be a hoax by Mary Bateman, who had written on the eggs using acid and reinserted them into the hen's oviduct.[3] Ewww lady. Whistler Sled Dog Cull quote:The Whistler sled dog cull was a controversial cull of 56 sled dogs in Whistler, British Columbia, Canada. ... Robert Fawcett, an employee of Howling Dog Tours Whistler Inc., filed a workers' compensation claim with WorkSafeBC for post-traumatic stress disorder after being told to kill 56 sled dogs in April 2010 because of a downturn in bookings following the 2010 Olympic Games, after a veterinarian refused to euthanize the healthy dogs.[4] Fawcett alleged "execution-style killings" in which he wrestled dogs to the ground, stood on them, and shot them or slit their throats. The dogs were then dumped into mass graves.[5] Awww doggies.... Brown Dog affair quote:The controversy was triggered by allegations that, in February 1903, William Bayliss of the Department of Physiology at University College London performed an illegal dissection, before an audience of 60 medical students, on a brown terrier dog – adequately anaesthetized, according to Bayliss and his team; conscious and struggling, according to the Swedish activists. quote:Women's diary
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13Pandora13 posted:^^^ Whoa dude https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdSyx13l5E0 I think it was the HANS as he felt it would slow him down and it was determined he probably would have survived if he had been wearing it as he died of the exact injury it is designed to prevent. After his death pretty much all racing series declared they were mandatory. I think in F1 it was the drivers who asked that it be in the rules as if it was not compulsory no one would wear it as not having it could give you a slight speed edge.
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Khazar-khum posted:If you don't see the difference between the innocuous "Mr Roberts, Missy and I are in love and would like to get married" and raping a 15 year old because her brother eloped, I can't help you. He said those behaviors come from the same mode of thought (and they do), not that one is exactly as bad as the other.
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