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A Nightmare on Elm Street and The People Under the Stairs loving rule, that is all
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Aug 31, 2015 03:32
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I saw My Soul to Take in theaters. I don't regret it, but I'd be damned if I can remember anything about it. I liked Scream 4 better.
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Aug 31, 2015 03:47
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CelticPredator posted:Same here man. Aside from Sam Raimi, Wes was a big influence on me as a kid. His later movies never matched his older stuff, but he'd make something kinda cool every once in a while. I really liked Red Eye. Red Eye is a solid, brisk thriller, and everything on the plane plays so well to Craven's style. I really want to give special love to The People Under The Stairs, because that movie's a great distillation of what I love about Craven. It's bonkers, but in a way that makes everything fit together, it's a great exploration of suburban horror, and it's got a surprisingly solid anti-gentrification message.
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Aug 31, 2015 03:51
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Wes Craven forever
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Aug 31, 2015 03:53
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My loving heart just broke. In honor of Craven I'd like to show something most people don't talk about, a not all that great and very cheesy film he did that was very entertaining: Shocker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ45o5nBbA8
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Aug 31, 2015 04:18
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drat, what a shame. Guess this is the kick I need to finally sit down with Last House on the Left.
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Aug 31, 2015 04:22
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Skunkrocker posted:My loving heart just broke. There's a blu on the way.
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Aug 31, 2015 04:34
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Skunkrocker posted:My loving heart just broke. I love Shocker. It's five different horror movies jammed into one and features a great, insane Mitch Pileggi performance.
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Aug 31, 2015 04:36
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Skunkrocker posted:My loving heart just broke. A VHS of Shocker takes pride of place on my shelf along with other VHS' I refuse to part with like Society and Mutronics, its loving awesome. RIP Wes your memory lives on in the nightmares of all your fans.
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Aug 31, 2015 05:17
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Hat Thoughts posted:Wes Craven forever  Probably gonna go through his hits in the next couple of days. I haven't seen The Last House on the Left or Scream in a while. Bummer, had no idea the guy was ill.
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Aug 31, 2015 10:11
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Orchestrated Mess posted:had no idea the guy was ill. Same, ugh. I'm going to have to watch ANoES tonight in remembrance.
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Aug 31, 2015 13:01
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Lurdiak posted:Would it be in bad taste to post a gif of decapitated Freddy winking? I somewhat doubt that a man who quit his job as an English professor to become a pornographer before moving into exploitation films would have many concerns about bad taste. Dude was rad
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Aug 31, 2015 13:05
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FreudianSlippers posted:I somewhat doubt that a man who quit his job as an English professor to become a pornographer before moving into exploitation films would have many concerns about bad taste. i love his brief appearance in Inside Deep Throat
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Aug 31, 2015 13:08
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Lucky Jim posted:I love Shocker. It's five different horror movies jammed into one and features a great, insane Mitch Pileggi performance. Agreed. Shocker is fantastic 80s horror cinema. It's also (I think) the first time Craven made a cameo in one of his own films. While I'm a well known non-fan of the Scream series, this doesn't mean that I don't love Deadly Blessing, The Hills Have Eyes, People Under the Stairs, Nightmare on Elm Street, Shocker, Swamp Thing, Deadly Friend, and The Serpent and the Rainbow. It's sad that the man is gone, but he left us with a lot of great films.  I'll be watching People Under the Stairs tonight, and I have no idea how many times over it will have been.
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Aug 31, 2015 14:36
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Wes Craven was a great interview. RIP.
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Aug 31, 2015 14:41
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InfiniteZero posted:Agreed. Shocker is fantastic 80s horror cinema. It's also (I think) the first time Craven made a cameo in one of his own films. Now that I've seen Twin Peaks, that rewatch is gonna be a weird experience.
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Aug 31, 2015 15:01
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Now that I've seen Twin Peaks, that rewatch is gonna be a weird experience. They actually both make each other better!
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Aug 31, 2015 15:08
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Horror icons need to stop dying for a while. I already had a Christopher Lee weekend planned in October, now I may have to dedicate a whole week to Craven. I was never his biggest fan but NoES, New Nightmare, The Hills Have Eyes, The People Under the Stairs, and Scream makes for one hell of a movie marathon.
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Aug 31, 2015 15:28
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Very sad to hear one of my favorite director's passing. He was awesome. RIP Wes Craven.
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Aug 31, 2015 16:09
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Wes Craven was a great interview. RIP. He was an incredibly smart dude, which shouldn't be surprising given his background. No one seemed to have a bad word to say about him, which kind of makes the fact he made LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT that much more surprising. I just watched MY SOUL TO TAKE today and it's kind of bad but in a way that's rewatchable. I don't like the whole 'So bad it's good' thing, but it's so weirdly overambitious that it constantly crumbles under itself, but in this bizarre and entertaining way. I mentioned it in the general chat, but Craven just took like multiple high concept ideas and just piled them onto one another.
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Aug 31, 2015 16:34
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DrVenkman posted:He was an incredibly smart dude, which shouldn't be surprising given his background. No one seemed to have a bad word to say about him, which kind of makes the fact he made LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT that much more surprising. he was a very high concept dude. i really like the description i read of the idea behind New Nightmare once as "What does Freddy Krueger think of the Nightmare on Elm Street films?" also, how many horror filmmakers can be said to have changed the face of the genre multiple times (ushering in a new era of meanness with Last House on the Left and The Hills Have Eyes, making supernatural slashers the style-de-rigueur with A Nightmare on Elm Street, and putting teen slasher films back on top with Scream)? post-Hitchcock, in terms of impact you've got maybe Carpenter and that's it. Uncle Boogeyman fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Aug 31, 2015 |
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Aug 31, 2015 17:27
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Man, so many legendary deaths this past year.  Despite being a big name in horror, I always felt Wes Craven never quite got his due. Granted, he did do a lot of schlock (but entertaining schlock), I think his best moments showed he had it in him to be a name like Hitchcock or at least DePalma. Also, Quentin Tarantino needs to shut his face: Quentin Tarantino posted:"I could have imagined doing the first Scream. The Weinsteins were trying to get Robert Rodriguez to do it," he said. Being more 'earthbound' is precisely why Scream clicked and why every other would-be horror deconstruction/satire (even if many were fun) became circle jerks for movie nerds. It's a deadly serious, sincere thriller underneath its cheeky 80s slasher guise.
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Aug 31, 2015 18:03
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:also, how many horror filmmakers can be said to have changed the face of the genre multiple times  per favore
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Aug 31, 2015 18:05
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InfiniteZero posted:
he crossed my mind (and is maybe my favorite horror director ever) but even as his impact was huge it felt like more of a natural extension of things that came before (Bava, etc), whereas those three Craven films i mentioned were all huge shifts. although Suspiria is probably a comparable seismic event.
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Aug 31, 2015 18:29
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lizardman posted:Man, so many legendary deaths this past year. exactly. what grounds Scream is that underneath all the postmodernism, it's the best slasher movie since Halloween.
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Aug 31, 2015 18:31
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:also, how many horror filmmakers can be said to have changed the face of the genre multiple times (ushering in a new era of meanness with Last House on the Left and The Hills Have Eyes, making supernatural slashers the style-de-rigueur with A Nightmare on Elm Street, and putting teen slasher films back on top with Scream)? post-Hitchcock, in terms of impact you've got maybe Carpenter and that's it. I've always personally been a Carpenter guy, but there is definitely an argument that Craven was even more influential. He's the only guy that's responsible for not one but two franchise establishing, cultural event-level horror films in NoES and Scream. In my opinion Carpenter made more great films but a lot of my favorite films of his(The Fog, ItMoM, Prince of Darkness) weren't all that impactful to the genre.
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Aug 31, 2015 18:45
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:he crossed my mind (and is maybe my favorite horror director ever) but even as his impact was huge it felt like more of a natural extension of things that came before (Bava, etc), whereas those three Craven films i mentioned were all huge shifts. although Suspiria is probably a comparable seismic event. Suspiria, bankrolled Dawn of the Dead, used Goblin as soundtrack, perfected the giallo. Also has unfortunately perfected late career burnout. Craven's stuff was mostly extensions of prior stuff too. Nightmare on Elm Street was a full 4 years after F13 (don't forget that Cunningham was part of it too) and 6 years away from Halloween -- and a full decade away from Black Christmas. His more out there stuff (my favourite!) never really shifted the entire genre but that doesn't mean they weren't fantastic. There are other directors too who made films that stand alone in the genre: the first who comes to mind as a prime example would be David Cronenberg. I think that's where Carpenter (mostly) sits too, with the exception of Halloween of course. Not trying to take anything away from Craven, but I think arguing that he had more influence on the whole genre than any other director is a bit of a stretch and in fact undermines what he actually DID achieve. InfiniteZero fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Aug 31, 2015 |
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Aug 31, 2015 18:45
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Aside from Hitchcock and maybe Romero, I bet if you did some Family Feud style survey on most popular horror directors it would be like 75% Craven, 10% Hitchcock, 15% - mixed variety of non horror movie directors.
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Aug 31, 2015 18:51
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Parachute posted:Aside from Hitchcock and maybe Romero, I bet if you did some Family Feud style survey on most popular horror directors it would be like 75% Craven, 10% Hitchcock, 15% - mixed variety of non horror movie directors. For regular non-fans? Yup, Nightmare on Elm Street would be right up there, as would Halloween and The Exorcist. Probably Psycho too. I think The Exorcist would be on that list for its reputation, Halloween because it actually scares most people and holds up well for doing so, Psycho because it's Hitchcock (I think Hitchcock is probably the only director random people could actually name from the list), and NoES because of the character of Freddy Krueger. Craven's creation of Freddy tops his list of achievements. He's part of the consciousness now. Every halloween store sells Freddy gloves and masks and probably always will. People who don't watch horror films instantly know who the character is. He's like Frankenstein or The Wolf Man now. It's really cool. I remember watching the film with a group of friends on VHS in 1985 when it was a new thing. Now it's as if the character has always existed.
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Aug 31, 2015 19:07
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Haha, that bit about his name recognition is true. Thing is, Craven being so well-known probably informs the "he's overrated/ kind of a hack" mentality he gets from movie buffs (not to mention "Wes Craven presents!" has been slapped on a LOT of lovely movies that he had some kind of tangential relationship with).
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Aug 31, 2015 19:07
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I'd guess that among the general pop Stephen King is still the best known name in horror movies (despite only directing once https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgIgYhaqKeo.)
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Aug 31, 2015 19:30
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I feel like a big part of the reason Craven gets labeled as overrated is because people who've seen and loved NoES and Scream are excited to go back and watch his lesser known work, and then when they do its often disappointing. Not that there aren't gems in there(People Under the Stairs), but he did make his fair share of crap. If you're just getting into Carpenter and you've seen maybe Halloween and The Thing, you can go watch his entire 80's and 90's output and enjoy pretty much all of it.
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Aug 31, 2015 20:06
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InfiniteZero posted:Suspiria, bankrolled Dawn of the Dead, used Goblin as soundtrack, perfected the giallo. Also has unfortunately perfected late career burnout. the Dawn of the Dead connection i admittedly forgot about quote:Craven's stuff was mostly extensions of prior stuff too. Nightmare on Elm Street was a full 4 years after F13 (don't forget that Cunningham was part of it too) and 6 years away from Halloween -- and a full decade away from Black Christmas. can you really even call ANOES an extension of the slasher film, though? i think it only fell in with that crowd later by association. it's so different from something like Halloween or Black Christmas that if you can even call it part of that genre at all, it's still a total reinvention of it (which pretty much invented a new subgenre comprising everything from Prison to Brainscan to the second half of the Friday the 13th cycle)
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Aug 31, 2015 20:15
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If my laptop is kinda beat up and occasionally glitches while watching long videos like movies or TV episodes, will that add or detract from the experience of watching Unfriended on my laptop
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Aug 31, 2015 20:16
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:exactly. what grounds Scream is that underneath all the postmodernism, it's the best slasher movie since Halloween. I've said before that I think Halloween is to the slasher film what Superman was to the comic book, and that Scream is the slasher film's Watchmen. Scream is already pulpy enough as is stemming from Kevin Williamson's script, it's just loaded with all kinds of smart-alecky self-aware dialogue and the like. If you read the script on its own and try to keep the actual movie out of mind, it almost reads like a comic book (in fairness, a lot of feel scripts feel this way compared to what's on screen). Craven really left his stamp on that movie, in other hands (like Tarantino's or Rodriguez's) I could see it turning out more like "Stab" (how fitting that they actually got Rodriguez to direct the "Stab" sequence in Scream 2). Also, Neve Campbell deserved some kind of special achievement Oscar for being able to deliver a preposterous line like "I'm sorry if my traumatized life is an inconvenience to you and your perfect existence!" and have it come across genuinely hurt and not simply sassy and angsty. Finally, the movie's ending, at the very least, really did need a more realistic touch: the whole point of the twist two killers, of course is that it's a kind of slap-in-the-face wakeup call to the audience who'd just kind of taken for granted that an omniscient, invincible psycho killer could exist as depicted. This is real life we're dealing with here.
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Aug 31, 2015 20:22
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:can you really even call ANOES an extension of the slasher film, though? i think it only fell in with that crowd later by association. it's so different from something like Halloween or Black Christmas that if you can even call it part of that genre at all, it's still a total reinvention of it (which pretty much invented a new subgenre comprising everything from Prison to Brainscan to the second half of the Friday the 13th cycle) It's a slasher series. It's a masked boogeyman bad guy chasing down teenagers and killing them off in various creative and gruesome ways. The thing is, it's a really good slasher and brought good ideas to the table like the supernatural element and humour more successfully than previous outings in the genre had. Even the supernatural angle, for example, wasn't a reinvention at that point. Friday the 13th was already about 4 films into the series by that time, and Jason was pretty much a supernatural entity at that point (and let's not forget that Sean S. Cunningham and Craven had been collaborators). The same thing went for Michael Myers(who was always supposed to be a partly supernatural embodiment of evil). Movies like "The Boogeyman" also existed at that point and were purely supernatural slashers.  The combination of Craven's writing and Englund's performance, however, was fire in a bottle. He did it so much better than most other films that his version of that type of film has since become iconic. Everybody knows who Freddy is, but you have to find a hardcore fan who can identify what the image above is actually from, even if it did the supernatural slasher thing first. InfiniteZero fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Aug 31, 2015 |
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Aug 31, 2015 20:56
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Basebf555 posted:I feel like a big part of the reason Craven gets labeled as overrated is because people who've seen and loved NoES and Scream are excited to go back and watch his lesser known work, and then when they do its often disappointing. Not that there aren't gems in there(People Under the Stairs), but he did make his fair share of crap. Unfortunately this is mostly because a huge part (maybe even the majority) of Craven's catalog literally is hackwork in the sense that for the majority of his career he was a working director who often took whatever he could get or seemed like it would make money. Carpenter scored big so early and got to be "legit" and be a lot mroe choosy with his projects. Craven was trudging along mostly doing exploitation flicks mostly because that was all he could get, and from what I understand he felt he got a raw deal from the studio with A Nightmare on Elm Street so even his big mainstream breakthrough didn't have the effect you might've thought. He did alright for himself but it wasn't until after Scream that Craven got really rich, and he pretty much spent all his newfound clout on Music of the Heart figuring this was his one and only chance to ever do a movie like that, since Hollywood mostly wanted him to do more Scream-type movies.
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Aug 31, 2015 21:20
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lizardman posted:Scream is already pulpy enough as is stemming from Kevin Williamson's script, it's just loaded with all kinds of smart-alecky self-aware dialogue and the like. If you read the script on its own and try to keep the actual movie out of mind, it almost reads like a comic book (in fairness, a lot of feel scripts feel this way compared to what's on screen). This is 2015 Tarantino vs. 1996 Tarantino we're talking here. 1996 Tarantino was hyperbolic, but he was still extremely 'grounded,' so the irony is that he might not have actually even directed the movie that differently. Scream partially functions as Craven's apologia for his exploitation past and a satire of post-Tarantino movies that seemed more concerned with pop culture and aestheticization than with communicating the tragic power of violence in the real world vs. simulated violence. Even Williamson's script is fairly derivative of Tarantino's loose jive-talkin', pop culture-adled mind. The key is that Tarantino was slowly moving into his own self-critical exploitation pictures at the same time that Craven was to his. Like, Death Proof is probably close to Quentin Tarantino's Scream. It's also extremely good, and possibly better than Scream.
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K. Waste posted:This is 2015 Tarantino vs. 1996 Tarantino we're talking here. 1996 Tarantino was hyperbolic, but he was still extremely 'grounded,' so the irony is that he might not have actually even directed the movie that differently. Scream partially functions as Craven's apologia for his exploitation past and a satire of post-Tarantino movies that seemed more concerned with pop culture and aestheticization than with communicating the tragic power of violence in the real world vs. simulated violence. Even Williamson's script is fairly derivative of Tarantino's loose jive-talkin', pop culture-adled mind. The key is that Tarantino was slowly moving into his own self-critical exploitation pictures at the same time that Craven was to his. I have to know what are goon's opinions on Death Proof, because I am flabbergasted -- yes, flabbergasted, that anyone liked that movie. It is the worst movie I've ever watched. Now, that is my personal opinion, by no means let that think I am slighting anyone with the opposite opinion, but I don't see how anyone could like it.
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