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Crabtree posted:Why can't they say its garbage because you like it?
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Sep 2, 2015 05:26
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Crabtree posted:Why can't they say its garbage because you like it? You can if you want to, but it's annoying when people's only contribution to a thread is saying a game sucks. Yeah the fallout and elder scrolls games kind of suck but they are still fun. Some goons just refuse to accept that anyone can like any game because they believe all games are garbage and they must post in every thread to let everyone know.
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Sep 2, 2015 05:28
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One of the funniest parts if the Fallout series is the huge amount of people still really salty about Bethesda having the IP, instead of getting over it after all these years
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Sep 2, 2015 05:29
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God forbid I temper my expectations, eh? And god forbid I offer some level of critique. timp posted:This comes up in every Fallout-TES thread and here it comes again: If you play a game for more than 20 hours you've lost the right to complain...honestly that number could even be closer to 5 or 10 hours. Nobody puts a gun to your head and forces you to play a video game, you can stop anytime. If you continue to play it but you're not enjoying it there must be some reason, for instance: Don't be a loving tool. The amount of time one spends with a game doesn't disqualify anyone from offering critique against it. I don't even think it's going to be exclusively bad, but the poo poo they've shown off has almost entirely been engineered into pissing in my bucket, so it's pretty fair if I express that I feel like the game is going to go in a direction I don't particularly like, isn't it? There's still parts I'm going to like and probably going to spend an insubordinate amount of time playing it for, but that doesn't automatically cancel out the bad parts, nor does it mean I have some sort of mental disease for not going "omfg best game ever since the last game". Fallout 4 adopting things from Mass Effect is an example of a thing I don't like. Crafting and base building are examples of things I do like. Small games on the Pip-boy seems like a fun activity and I can't wait to play it for these things. It's just a matter of how much bullshit I'm going to have to endure in order to get to the enjoyable parts of a game series I am generally really positive about. Yes, even Fallout 3. It's just not my favorite game in the series.
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Sep 2, 2015 07:30
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After logging a thousand hours in Fallout 4 I've come to the conclusion that this game loving sucks.
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Sep 2, 2015 07:48
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Mordaedil posted:God forbid I temper my expectations, eh? Critique of what? You haven't played this game yet, and we really haven't been given really much to work off of.
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Sep 2, 2015 08:03
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Phrasing posted:After logging a thousand hours in Fallout 4 I've come to the conclusion that this game loving sucks. Just because a scientist spends a thousand hours studying cancer doesn't mean they "like" cancer. People are compelled to immerse themselves in things they hate. Like...I've watched Downton Abbey, but it wasn't even until Series 2 that I realized it wasn't "Downtown Abbey". I had no idea why they were calling it "Downtown" when it was clearly in the middle of nowhere. Anyway, I hated that show but everybody was so crazy about it that I had to watch the show several times to really ruminate on why I hated it. If you only experience something terrible for a couple of hours, people are going to call you out on that fact and you'll never convince them that their poo poo sucks. "Yeah but you never gave it a chance." No, you need to know something intimately--better than them--and that generally involves experiencing it for longer than they'd ever want to. Cream-of-Plenty fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Sep 2, 2015 |
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Sep 2, 2015 08:14
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TontoCorazon posted:Critique of what? He's just one of those people who can't wait until the game comes out to take a poo poo on it because it's not exactly like a game from 1997. Fallout 4 will be a buggy yet fun game, just like all Bethesda games.
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Sep 2, 2015 08:20
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:Just because a scientist spends a thousand hours studying cancer doesn't mean they "like" cancer. People are compelled to immerse themselves in things they hate. Like...I've watched Downton Abbey, but it wasn't even until Series 2 that I realized it wasn't "Downtown Abbey". I had no idea why they were calling it "Downtown" when it was clearly in the middle of nowhere. Anyway, I hated that show but everybody was so crazy about it that I had to watch the show several times to really ruminate on why I hated it. That almost sounds like mental illness. If you don't like something and you know you won't like something why would you spend that time and money not liking it at all? Like you need therapy if you're willingly watching or playing something and hating it. I can understand trying something out for an hour or so but putting over 100 hours into it and still bitching is insanity.
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Sep 2, 2015 08:23
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:Just because a scientist spends a thousand hours studying cancer doesn't mean they "like" cancer. People are compelled to immerse themselves in things they hate. I'm fairly certain that scientists who spend their time studying cancer don't do it because they're masochists. They do it because they want to be the one to cure it, and grants for things like that pay out like a motherfucker.
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Sep 2, 2015 08:28
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TontoCorazon posted:Critique of what? They've shown some of the game though and I can critique that. The dialogue system, the opening sequence, the implicit turn of events, the crafting system, the pipboy, the leveling stuff, the skill stuff and stats, all stuff we've been shown and are definitely going to be in the final product as they were presented. I can't critique the stuff I haven't seen yet, of course, but what I don't like of the above, I just don't like. JackBadass posted:He's just one of those people who can't wait until the game comes out to take a poo poo on it because it's not exactly like a game from 1997. You're a loving idiot as always.
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Sep 2, 2015 08:28
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I'd say somebody with bad opinions about old games is less of an idiot than somebody who didn't really care for Fallout 3 ever thinking they'd like a Bethesda Fallout 4. One is just, like, his opinion man and the other is you trying to fit the square peg into the round hole and complaining that it won't go in.
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Sep 2, 2015 08:44
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Mordaedil posted:You're a loving idiot as always. I'm not the one judging a game on screenshots and 20 minutes or so of E3 footage that represents most likely less than a percent of one percent of a game that won't be released for a couple more months. To me, that person is the loving idiot. What more can I expect out of you, though...
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Sep 2, 2015 08:56
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At least attempt to be funny or informative if you're going to be a critic. I'm not funny or smart, so I only post in the threads of things I like. Not having much time for video games these days, I appreciate the irony of a post apocalyptic world being my escape from the real one. These type of open world games are great whether you play for fifteen minutes or five hours at a time. i always feel like I'm getting my money's worth. I don't see too many single player games with as much value.
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Sep 2, 2015 08:58
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JackBadass posted:I'm fairly certain that scientists who spend their time studying cancer don't do it because they're masochists. They do it because they want to be the one to cure it, and grants for things like that pay out like a motherfucker. How about people who watch the news? It's all death, war, murder etc... yet some people will watch them for hours every day. Doesn't mean they like that stuff. People play/watch/listen to popular stuff to keep up with things, even if they don't like them.
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Sep 2, 2015 09:15
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Kurtofan posted:How about people who watch the news? It's all death, war, murder etc... yet some people will watch them for hours every day. Doesn't mean they like that stuff. That's a better comparison, I'd say. On a less pessimistic view, I'd say some percentage of people watch the news to stay in the loop as opposed to willingly submitting themselves to the negative news for the sake of doing so. That's why I do it, anyway. Edit: Yeah.
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Sep 2, 2015 09:18
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JackBadass posted:I'm not the one judging a game on screenshots and 20 minutes or so of E3 footage that represents most likely less than a percent of one percent of a game that won't be released for a couple more months. To me, that person is the loving idiot. Then what the gently caress am I supposed to form an opinion around? The game when it comes out? That'd mean there'd be nothing to talk about. Also, you are just posting to take the piss out of everyone who doesn't take your contentious agreeable viewpoint, so what are you, a developer working on the game or something? No opinion allowed, besides the ones that agree that this will be the best game ever! All the other games were good time-wasters, so this one will be too! Christ, what else is there really to talk about? Die Laughing posted:At least attempt to be funny or informative if you're going to be a critic. I'm not funny or smart, so I only post in the threads of things I like. Not having much time for video games these days, I appreciate the irony of a post apocalyptic world being my escape from the real one. These type of open world games are great whether you play for fifteen minutes or five hours at a time. i always feel like I'm getting my money's worth. I don't see too many single player games with as much value. And again, don't get me wrong, there's going to be enough content in Fallout 4 to justify pretty much everything and anything you can think of, but I still think dropping the ball on certain things time and time again is something worth pointing out and critiquing as if it isn't entirely acceptable standard anymore. They could do so much more and the fact they can't be assed to is sad to me. But it's okay, because it'll still be worth the $60.
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Sep 2, 2015 09:23
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Kurtofan posted:People play/watch/listen to popular stuff to keep up with things, even if they don't like them. Yeah and this sounds dumb as poo poo. Who gives a gently caress what other people think? That sounds like torture.
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Sep 2, 2015 09:27
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Fallout Shelter question, do the weapons have "dps"? Like, a fast firing machine gun listed as 15 damage vs a slow firing sniper rifle also listed as 15 damage?
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Sep 2, 2015 09:34
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Mordaedil posted:Then what the gently caress am I supposed to form an opinion around? The game when it comes out? That'd mean there'd be nothing to talk about. There pretty much IS nothing to talk about which is why this thread is just page after page of shitposts with the occasional greatpost from Cream.
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Sep 2, 2015 10:58
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Ak Gara posted:Fallout Shelter question, do the weapons have "dps"? So far as I can tell that number is the dps. I don't think the attack animation has any effect on the damage.
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Sep 2, 2015 15:03
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JackBadass posted:
This. It will be a fun, enjoyable game to a large percentage of people. Most people, even... And then you will have a percentage that already have no intention of liking the game, and will find any-and-every reason to hate it. Every game ever made has this. Some, without ever playing it, will hate it just because that's how some people are.
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Sep 2, 2015 15:28
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Fallout NV had a more interesting story and better quests / dialogue, but a lot of the locations felt like walking through attractions in an amusement park - Over here is Gang Prison! To the left you'll see Brotherhood of Steel bunker! Watch out, you're entering Super Mutant Mountain! That being said, I've logged probably around 250 hours in this game and still play it every so often. Fallout 3 had a lot of weaknesses but from what I remember (tbf I haven't played the game since around 2009) it felt more organic and exploring a huge ruined city was fun... and so was dressing up like Lincoln once I got his rifle and emancipating everyone from this mortal coil  tldr both games were fun despite any weaknesses, no game is perfect, I'm sure Fallout 4 will be the same way, and I'm going to enjoy pew pewing radscorpions in a new location
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Sep 2, 2015 15:33
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Kurtofan posted:How about people who watch the news? It's all death, war, murder etc... yet some people will watch them for hours every day. Doesn't mean they like that stuff. Yeah it does.
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Sep 2, 2015 15:37
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Geoff Zahn posted:Fallout 3 had a lot of weaknesses but from what I remember (tbf I haven't played the game since around 2009) it felt more organic and exploring a huge ruined city was fun... and so was dressing up like Lincoln once I got his rifle and emancipating everyone from this mortal coil It felt more organic in that there were no landmark. It still surprises me when people cite NV's more structured map as a disadvantage.
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Sep 2, 2015 15:40
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steinrokkan posted:It still surprises me when people cite NV's more structured map as a disadvantage. It only started feeling like a disadvantage recently. But, I am about to reinstall FO3 and try Tale of Two Wastelands, so I guess I'll be able to compare them more closely and see if I still feel that way after giving FO3 another go around.
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Sep 2, 2015 15:48
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Geoff Zahn posted:Fallout NV had a more interesting story and better quests / dialogue, but a lot of the locations felt like walking through attractions in an amusement park - Over here is Gang Prison! To the left you'll see Brotherhood of Steel bunker! Watch out, you're entering Super Mutant Mountain! That being said, I've logged probably around 250 hours in this game and still play it every so often. You should play FO:3 again for kicks and see if you still have the same opinion. At least up until Lil' Lamplight. I would actually argue that it's a problem with BOTH games, but ascribing it solely to NV is a strange thing to do. With that being said, I thought Skyrim did a pretty good job at having less of the amusement park feel. Especially in the wilderness. Part of it is a hardware problem. Stuff pegged to run on middle-of-the-road computers from 2007 isn't going to really have the technical chops to nail a natural feeling environment. Skyrim's engine is better, and therefore does a better job with immersion. I have a feeling that since 4 is going to be pegged to Bone / PS4 standards, then it's going be another large step forward in terms of gameworld.
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Sep 2, 2015 15:52
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Watching the news to keep up with current events, and researching cancer to try and treat it are both exactly like playing a video game just so your online complaints are well informed complaints.Mordaedil posted:And god forbid I offer some level of critique. The fact that some people can't tell the difference between a critique and "gently caress you if you don't agree with me, you're just part of the Bethesda hugbox" is actually the problem. Not to single you out specifically, but there is a lot of bile in this thread from people who despise Bethesda anything, and want to exercise their right to express that opinion on every page. The dedication involved is kinda staggering. I mean, there's a lot of games I hate, but I can't be assed to go post in all those threads to make sure everyone knows it.
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Sep 2, 2015 15:54
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Confirmed for Fallout 4 -Power Armor jet packs -Incredibly detailed armor and weapon customization leading to hundreds of possible item combinations -Vertibirds -You can build a custom murderfort complete with flamethrower turrets -The same great gameplay features that have offered literally hundreds of hours of fun and engagement on other Bethesda games (and now there's more and they're better!) -Another dog follower and not a stupid robot dog -Weather and poo poo. RADSTORMS -Sickass finishing moves (is that Deathclaw eviscerating that guy) -Better shooting, a melee button, a grenade button In summary I'll be nestled high in the sniper's perch of my wasteland fortress roasting the heads off attacking super mutant barbarians with a high powered laser sniper rifle of my own design while my pet dog and machine gun turrets ravage the encroaching centaur lackeys and dozens of my own hired caravaneers and merchants are getting gibbed into lovingly rendered meat chunks by friendly fire. Old timey music will be playing while this happens. If that sounds like a not-fun and also bad time then why the gently caress are you still following this thread?
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Sep 2, 2015 15:57
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Here's a little interview with Rope Kid about what he thinks about Fallout 4 and such: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbcCwfAstyQ He says that New Vegas was fun to make and they'd be open to doing something like that again, which I'd be all over.
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Sep 2, 2015 16:10
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"Hello, Doctor Fallout. " "Hello, cancer." "I hate you dr, for always thwarting my growths and tumors" "I still enjoy our time together, cancer. Even if I hate you, I cherish these talks."
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Sep 2, 2015 16:15
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:Just because a scientist spends a thousand hours studying cancer doesn't mean they "like" cancer. Welp, time to burn the games forums to the ground. Also Fallout 4 is going to kick all kinds of rear end. Don't believe me? Let's fight about it.
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Sep 2, 2015 16:24
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SRM posted:Here's a little interview with Rope Kid about what he thinks about Fallout 4 and such: Oh that's excellent, hopefully that will stop the Bethesda hate right? ...right?
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Sep 2, 2015 16:33
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frajaq posted:Oh that's excellent, hopefully that will stop the Bethesda hate right? ...right? Nothing, including buying all the games, the expansions and putting several hundred hours into the game will stop the Bethesda hate.
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Sep 2, 2015 16:37
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Have they ruled out the possibility of encountering other players in the wasteland, because trolling in fallout has the potential to be the best thing ever.
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Sep 2, 2015 17:04
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SRM posted:Here's a little interview with Rope Kid about what he thinks about Fallout 4 and such: Josh Sawyer looks like he sounds now. That is a Giant nerd.
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Sep 2, 2015 19:55
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Jonesy posted:Have they ruled out the possibility of encountering other players in the wasteland, because trolling in fallout has the potential to be the best thing ever. The only way to get your loot back is to challenge the ghost to a new beatboxing conversation/rhythm minigame that allegedly relies on your choice of companion for musical backup, encouragement, emceeing, etc.
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Sep 2, 2015 20:01
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FronzelNeekburm posted:Every time you die, your save file is uploaded to Bethesda.net and randomly distributed to other players in the form of an rear end in a top hat ghost who goes around stealing items out of their houses and any other mailboxes or trash cans where they've stashed them. Accept no substitutes, boycott the oil-based shitpost in favor of the natural, organic Cream-of-Plenty smooth whipped shitpost
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Sep 2, 2015 20:04
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Is this thread also where we talk about Fallout Shelter? Because I sort of need to talk about that right now.
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CapnAndy posted:Is this thread also where we talk about Fallout Shelter? Because I sort of need to talk about that right now. Murdered by deathclaws?
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