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Being Kami/Kami's weird mentor probably comes with a clause that you can't really fight properly.
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That dude was the only person who trained with Freeza for four months and survived.
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is it Freeza or Frieza,
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Sep 2, 2015 19:43
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Zzulu posted:is it Freeza or Frieza, Yes.
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Zzulu posted:is it Freeza or Frieza, Are you a nerd or a casual fan?
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Zzulu posted:is it Freeza or Frieza, 
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Sep 2, 2015 19:58
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It's furiza you baka gaikins
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ImpAtom posted:フリーザ
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Does Fresco (sp?) ever take his final form? I feel like it's another Saiyan situation, where the writers will just keep adding another stronger form because they want to. Is there a graph or something comparing how strong different villains are or how strong characters get throughout the whole series? After a while, it's just hard to keep track of just how many punchman points these people have.
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Mogomra posted:Does Fresco (sp?) ever take his final form? I feel like it's another Saiyan situation, where the writers will just keep adding another stronger form because they want to. Every villain is stronger that the previous villain who is stronger than the heroes until the very last fight where the heroes get stronger. The exception is Kid Buu who is weaker than Super Buu but more batshit crazy. Goku > Vegeta > everyone else who is worthless and sucks and will never do anything useful again > Yamcha.
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ImpAtom posted:Every villain is stronger that the previous villain who is stronger than the heroes until the very last fight where the heroes get stronger. The exception is Kid Buu who is weaker than Super Buu but more batshit crazy. But I wanna know how strong Krillin is in say The Cell Saga, compared to Krillin in the beginning of Dragon Ball. This is important. (no it's not)
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Mogomra posted:But I wanna know how strong Krillin is in say The Cell Saga, compared to Krillin in the beginning of Dragon Ball. This is important. (no it's not) Past the Freiza Saga only the Saiyans and Piccolo really get shown fighting to know their 'power levels'
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Who the hell is Fresco?
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Some Numbers posted:Who the hell is Fresco?
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I think you can basically safely assume everyone is weaker than the Androids except the Saiyans. Piccolo with his huge power boost was basically fighting somewhat on-par or slightly below Android 17 and he was the strongest non-Saiyan. Basically if Earth is hosed your line of defense is Goku/Vegeta -> Gohan/Goten/Trunks -> Mr Buu -> Android 18 (and maybe 17 if he decides to stop Park Rangering) -> If they take those guys out you're basically boned.
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Some Numbers posted:Who the hell is Fresco? The new menu at Taco HFIL.
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DBZ really needs to learn a thing or two from One Piece. Strong World has a scene where several of the Straw Hats are fighting against the main antagonist, and they work together and actually get some good shots off. Gotenks just saw Majin goddamn Buu get his rear end kicked but he stays in base form? Come on. And Gohan is taken out by someone throwing a squishy jelly monster at him? It's just all the same tropes from like 20 years ago, it's like Toriyama learned nothing.
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ImpAtom posted:I think you can basically safely assume everyone is weaker than the Androids except the Saiyans. Piccolo with his huge power boost was basically fighting somewhat on-par or slightly below Android 17 and he was the strongest non-Saiyan. Which of course leads into the broken record that is hoping that Super might change that, somehow. Each week makes that seem even less likely.
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Out of curiosity, what's the etymology of the phrase "Z FIghters/Z Warriors"? I know TFS poked fun at it in an episode...but where did it even come from? Its been a while since I've watched any of the old dubs, so I don't recall if it popped in in the show itself, or if it was juts a marketing/word of mouth thing in the same vein as Mystic Gohan.
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idgi why do people think that super is going to elevate the worthless humans?
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jivjov posted:Out of curiosity, what's the etymology of the phrase "Z FIghters/Z Warriors"? I know TFS poked fun at it in an episode...but where did it even come from? Its been a while since I've watched any of the old dubs, so I don't recall if it popped in in the show itself, or if it was juts a marketing/word of mouth thing in the same vein as Mystic Gohan. dragonball z dub, saiyan saga
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dipwood posted:DBZ really needs to learn a thing or two from One Piece. Strong World has a scene where several of the Straw Hats are fighting against the main antagonist, and they work together and actually get some good shots off. Gotenks just saw Majin goddamn Buu get his rear end kicked but he stays in base form? Come on. And Gohan is taken out by someone throwing a squishy jelly monster at him? It's just all the same tropes from like 20 years ago, it's like Toriyama learned nothing. To be fair Base Gotenks 1. Are literal children. 2. Might actually be stronger than Good Buu
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I'm not mad that dbz hasn't changed, fundamentally
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ImpAtom posted:I think you can basically safely assume everyone is weaker than the Androids except the Saiyans. Piccolo with his huge power boost was basically fighting somewhat on-par or slightly below Android 17 and he was the strongest non-Saiyan. But Piccolo trained in the whatever-chamber before the Cell Games! He was about even with No. 17, then went into the hyperbolic chamber and got even stronger, and that was it. He trained again for the World Tournament when Goku said he was showing up. No way did he drop that much. He should still be stronger than Freeza originally was. Goddamnit. 
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Gohan is also way above Goten/Trunks 18 and Buu are also above Goten and Trunks(seperately)
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So assuming Goku chumps the feakin God of Destruction, where does the series go from there? More driving lessons?
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Goku's been chumping gods for years, there'll be more different gods.
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Shodai posted:So assuming Goku chumps the feakin God of Destruction, where does the series go from there? More driving lessons? We already have one being stronger than Beerus in the series, Whis. We don't know where Champa and FemWhis fall on the power scale. Even if they were weaker than Goku, Toriyama already left an open door for even stronger enemies in the other dimensions, since Beerus pointed out there's beings even stronger than him on some of them. That said, right now Goku is still below Beerus in the power scale, even with SSGSS. Goku and Vegeta together maybe could beat Beerus, by Whis' estimate, but they refuse to work together. It's likely that by Super's post-R"F" arc they'll be stronger than Beerus though, with how power rises in this series.
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dipwood posted:DBZ really needs to learn a thing or two from One Piece. Strong World has a scene where several of the Straw Hats are fighting against the main antagonist, and they work together and actually get some good shots off. Gotenks just saw Majin goddamn Buu get his rear end kicked but he stays in base form? Come on. And Gohan is taken out by someone throwing a squishy jelly monster at him? It's just all the same tropes from like 20 years ago, it's like Toriyama learned nothing. I mean, why would he have learned anything? His work has been praised by all his peers and the market, he inspired a generation of comic artists/writers and an entire genre, and, honestly, he has always viewed the story as the story of Goku. He briefly considered having it be the story of Gohan, but backed-out. Why? Who knows, but I bet it's because he wanted to stick to his guns and end on Goku. Hell, the two movies were good and, while I haven't really read/watched Super yet, I don't think it's seriously hurting because he's writing in his own style.
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Plus having teamwork hurt bills would be dumb. The whole point is he is above everyone easily. That is is whole thing.
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But also that hard work and brains trumps inborn talent and brawn. Also something something strength of emotion. Its like if Naruto was not poo poo magic eyes 24/7 and Rock Lee attained the godhood he so sorely deserves.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:But also that hard work and brains trumps inborn talent and brawn. I mean, that was definitely true for Dragon Ball, but Super Sayians makes this a little less true in Dragon Ball Z.
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Blaze Dragon posted:We already have one being stronger than Beerus in the series, Whis. We don't know where Champa and FemWhis fall on the power scale. Even if they were weaker than Goku, Toriyama already left an open door for even stronger enemies in the other dimensions, since Beerus pointed out there's beings even stronger than him on some of them. I read somewhere that SSG Goku was a 6 to Beerus's (full) 10. Do you suppose SSGSS Goku and Vegeta are 8 each?
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Does anyone know where I might find a translation of Jaco?
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A jargogle posted:Does anyone know where I might find a translation of Jaco? Amazon? That's where I got my copy.
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A jargogle posted:Does anyone know where I might find a translation of Jaco? At your local book store.
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A jargogle posted:Does anyone know where I might find a translation of Jaco? It's also on Comixology if you prefer digital.
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HGH posted:Being Kami/Kami's weird mentor probably comes with a clause that you can't really fight properly. Makes sense. Kami was always restricted from manifesting on Earth, like how he had to possess that one guy to fight in the tournament against Piccolo. And Mr Popo was sparring with Gotenks in the Buu saga and, TFS jokes aside, he never helped fight any of the big threats to Earth and didn't want to go to Namek.
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