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Laverna posted:Which is why we end up with examples that would look alright on an advertisement but entirely out of place as a country's flag.
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Ghostlight posted:The difference was they had been moving toward a new flag for a lot longer, so there was overwhelming consensus to have a new flag, and the government was voted in with the flag change as part of their platform. It wasn't just a media circus to distract everyone from discovering the rock star economy was a lip syncing coke fiend about to bottom out. Yeah, I remember there being quite a bit of support for a flag change when it was first mentioned. I still really believe that our flag sucks and should change. But now it's definitely the wrong guys doing it for the wrong reasons.
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Sep 2, 2015 13:38
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Took me a moment to realise that you weren't quoting something domestic. Bravo, sir 
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Sep 2, 2015 14:44
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those are the deep & meaningful statements from the designers
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Sep 2, 2015 16:48
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"It won't cost a lot of money to change our flag" *forgets that every sign and product in the country has the flag on it and will need to be changed*
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Sep 2, 2015 21:19
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Maybe the people pushing for this are the flag manufacturers. John Key in bed with big flag.
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Sep 2, 2015 22:18
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echinopsis posted:Yeah but don't you want to see JK's dream fail? I'd rather his other, more negative dreams failed than this flag dream of little significance. I'm astounded that for all the hooting and hollering about how this is all to cover up TPPA etc, the flag 'debate' has effectively done that. How dumb is that?
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Sep 2, 2015 22:49
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That's also partially because TPPA has stalled and can't really progress until after the Canadian election.
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Sep 2, 2015 22:57
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fong posted:That's also partially because TPPA has stalled and can't really progress until after the
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Sep 2, 2015 22:58
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Obama can't get reelected though, I'd imagine there'll be another round of talks between now and 2017.
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puchu posted:I'd rather his other, more negative dreams failed than this flag dream of little significance. I'm astounded that for all the hooting and hollering about how this is all to cover up TPPA etc, the flag 'debate' has effectively done that. How dumb is that? The thing is the flag is his pride and joy rather than a road to riches. Still why not have multiple things fail
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fong posted:Obama can't get reelected though, I'd imagine there'll be another round of talks between now and 2017.
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Sep 2, 2015 23:09
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Bernie <3
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Sep 2, 2015 23:15
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I like Bernie a lot too, but being realistic he doesn't really stand much of a chance. 
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puchu posted:I'd rather his other, more negative dreams failed than this flag dream of little significance. I'm astounded that for all the hooting and hollering about how this is all to cover up TPPA etc, the flag 'debate' has effectively done that. How dumb is that? The crazy thing is I think that having this flag change fail will have more impact on his brand than any of the dodgy poo poo he has been involved in. I can almost imagine Paddy Gower salivating as he declares Key is effectively finished. All due to a stupid loving flag. Of course if it succeeds he will be declared emperor for life.
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:I like Bernie a lot too, but being realistic he doesn't really stand much of a chance. People said the same thing about Obama.
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They said that because he was black - not because he was actually genuinely so left-wing his own party wouldn't back him for fear of losing the centre.
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Bernie actually seems to be doing drat well. It's a grassroots campaign but he seems to pulling in tens of thousands with his talks in various cities. It all comes down to exposure though. The real problem is the timing of the democratic debates, it's preventing him from debating Hillary - his only real contender - and it seems obvious he'd kick her rear end.
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Exclamation Marx posted:those are the deep & meaningful statements from the designers Sssssh Shh I don't want to think a living, breathing person wrote that and expected people to take it seriously Shh
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WarpedNaba posted:Sssssh They read like marketing gobbledygook. There was one that mentioned how the stars are red because of ARE FATHERS sacrifices and the fern points upward to represent NZers optimism or some loving bullshit.
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Sep 3, 2015 01:39
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truther posted:Bernie actually seems to be doing drat well. It's a grassroots campaign but he seems to pulling in tens of thousands with his talks in various cities. It all comes down to exposure though. It actually has to do mostly with support from the party establishment.
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Isn't that tied to the debates though? If Sanders totally dominated Hillary and had overwhelming support from the public, wouldn't he then be chosen as the democratic candiate?
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Varkk posted:Maybe the people pushing for this are the flag manufacturers. John Key in bed with big flag. Please don't use homophobic slurs to describe Richie McCaw.
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Sep 3, 2015 02:13
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Bernie Sanders vs Donald Trump 2016 I want America to have its most clear cut Good vs Evil showdown
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Sep 3, 2015 02:14
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For the all the people that think changing the NZ flag is a waste of money, I have a solution for you. Because no matter what you say, the referendum will still happen and cost money. Therefore, you have only 1 choice- vote to change the flag. If you don't vote to change the flag, your an inept hypocrite. Effectively wasting all the money for no gain. Changing the flag= earning more money for NZ in very simple branding and economic terms. So if you vote against changing the flag, you look pretty stupid by creating worthless expenses and lost national income. Solution is very clear. Side point for anyone who feels changing the flag is a distraction from TPP negotiations: The TPP was first designed by NZ in the first place, started under the Helen Clark government, and literally every party that fully supported the TPP since 2006 has been voted in. So what if the TPP points are secret- like in all trade deals ever. You cant oppose it based on the fact it "may" limit our nations laws. At the end of the day the government does things they believe are the best for the country, and received mandate for during the election. BTW, did you consider that it may actually make our laws better? Fairer? More just? Prevent the government from changing laws whenever they feel like, however they want without consultation with anyone and neglecting any consequences as they are above the law? Or can it only be bad for everyone in your anti-everything-national point of view? From the leaked, innacurate papers which are likely outdated we both have obviously read- if anything limiting national laws is improving the justice and quality. An example- National decided without warning to remove the $1000 starter for Kiwisaver. Thats their prerogative and they can do that. Law changes under TPP can actually force the government to reconsider how they approach those hash law changes such as that which AFFECT YOU directly, by creating more fairness and stakeholder hindsight. It stops the government from being above the law, and more open to to how it affects everyone.
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Spiteski posted:For the all the people that think changing the NZ flag is a waste of money, I have a solution for you. Where is this from it sounds vaguely hoskings like
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truther posted:Isn't that tied to the debates though? If Sanders totally dominated Hillary and had overwhelming support from the public, wouldn't he then be chosen as the democratic candiate? Not directly. There will be primary elections in various states throughout the first half of the election year, where members of the party get to vote for who they want to be the candidate. Then sometime after that, the party has a national convention, where they officially elect the candidate. Usually once all the primaries have been completed there's a clear frontrunner, so the national convention's election isn't a surprise. So the debates are part of it but the 'overwhelming support from the public' is what will win primaries.* *this is the simple version, it is actually a much bigger clusterfuck edit: The other distinction is that debates are put on by media organisations (like Fox News who sponsored the recent Republican debate) while the primaries are funded by the parties and/or state governments. Leospeare fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Sep 3, 2015 |
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Sep 3, 2015 02:29
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swampland posted:Where is this from it sounds vaguely hoskings like Nah just a politically vocal expat I know from Uni. Half convinced he's trolling, because holy poo poo. "The best way to deal with a govt doing what we dont want them to do is to just let them."
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Sep 3, 2015 02:32
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truther posted:Isn't that tied to the debates though? If Sanders totally dominated Hillary and had overwhelming support from the public, wouldn't he then be chosen as the democratic candiate? I mean, how hard did Labour try not to elect Cunliffe despite him being the overwhelming choice by everyone who wasn't in the caucus?
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Leospeare posted:edit: The other distinction is that debates are put on by media organisations (like Fox News who sponsored the recent Republican debate) while the primaries are funded by the parties and/or state governments. Clusterfuck sounds about right. Ghostlight posted:truther fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Sep 3, 2015 |
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Sep 3, 2015 02:41
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Spiteski posted:For the all the people that think changing the NZ flag is a waste of money, I have a solution for you. you're*
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Spiteski posted:holy
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Prime Minister John Key says Maurice Williamson was not speaking in his capacity as a National MP during a speech in which he showed pictures of nearly-naked women and made references to sex acts. The high-profile backbencher and former minister was "so offensive" in his recent presentation at SkyCity, attendees walked out of the awards dinner where he was the MC last Tuesday.
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Sep 3, 2015 04:42
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Did Key ever ask for someones resignation based on what they did when they weren't an MP? Or can you get away with a lot if you're not wearing your Official MP Hat.
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Sep 3, 2015 04:52
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Wow, I didn't realise how flexible the hat excuse was. Sorry officer, when I was driving drunk through the young nats I wasn't driving in the capacity of a person in charge of a motor vehicle.
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Sep 3, 2015 05:11
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Wasn't he acting in his capacity as a constituency MP when he intervened on the behalf of a wifebeater? Why did he get sacked as a minister then?
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Sep 3, 2015 05:14
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John Key wasn't wearing his Prime Minister hat when he molested and/or sexually harassed those children and that woman so it's okay.
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Sep 3, 2015 05:17
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Oh wow, it was at an ESRI users conference. I am in talks.quote:What's the inside scoop on all the Maurice Williamson stuff? 
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Sep 3, 2015 05:39
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Oh yeah enjoy paying for a new Driver's License and Passport if the flag changes.
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I will continue to exercise my right to travel as a free citizen even if the flag changes
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