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SSNeoman posted:Vaykor Hek can't take Justice Hek mod. So does that mean the normal Hek is still better?
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Crono S. Magnum posted:So does that mean the normal Hek is still better? yuuup No double multishot means the damage is much lower. Vaykor Hek does have a magazine of 8, but who cares.
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Sep 2, 2015 22:40
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SSNeoman posted:yuuup I wish I was more surprised by this than I am. Great Job, :de:
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Sep 2, 2015 22:48
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Telos Boltor is worse than the Boltor Prime ofc. The Tigris and maybe the Penta are the only worthwhile weapons out of all of this.
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Sep 2, 2015 22:51
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The Rakta Cernos does 50 more damage than the normal one, but it still has the lowest crit chance and does mainly impact. So probably still bad. It does only take .3 seconds to charge, though.
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Sep 2, 2015 22:57
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I did a quick stat breakdown. Comparisons are to the closest competitor, not necessarily the vanilla version. Hek vs. V. Hek 2.17 -> 3.0 fire rate 10%/x2 -> 25%/x2 crit 4 mag, 2.0 reload -> 8 mag, 2.3 reload Zippier in general, but you have to drop from 300% to 220% projectiles. Maybe the crit math makes up for it? Boltor P vs. T Boltor 55 -> 50 damage 10.0 -> 9.33 fire rate 10% -> 7.5% status 60 -> 90 magazine Overall a downgrade compared to the prime, although it's easier to get. The extra magazine is nice, but not worth the drop in DPS. Synoid Simulor vs. Simulor hahahahahaa. No. Penta vs. S Penta 425 -> 450 damage 1.0 -> 2.0 fire rate 5 -> 7 magazine A nice, strict upgrade. Tigris vs. S Tigris 1050 -> 1260 damage 5%/x2 -> 10%/x2 crit 1.8 -> 1.5 reload Peep that reload! Peep that damage! Weep at all the catalysts and forma you've wasted on vanilla tigris! Do you invest in this or wait for the inevitable Tigris Prime that's even better!? Paris P/Dread vs. R Cernos 200 -> 250 damage 50%/x2 -> 35%/x2 crit 1.0 charge rate -> 0.3 charge rate 0.7 -> 0.6 reload The loss of crit sucks. I have no idea what charge rate means. Is it charges/second? Seconds/charge? It's either a good speedbow or terrible! If it's fast, it's nice, but the bow/fire rate mod interaction makes it not quite as good as it looks on paper.
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Okay, but for shits and giggles. Simulor vs. S Simulor: 2.0 -> 2.67 fire rate 10 -> 15 mag 3.0 -> 2.0 reload 170-230 -> 175-225 per stack Yup. Same damage as the gun that's so anemic you're not sure if it can actually hurt dudes.
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Sep 2, 2015 23:22
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Male Man posted:I did a quick stat breakdown. Comparisons are to the closest competitor, not necessarily the vanilla version. You're actually potentially going from 420% to 220% (  ), you can still use Hell's Chamber on the normal Hek.
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Sep 2, 2015 23:22
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Male Man posted:I did a quick stat breakdown. Comparisons are to the closest competitor, not necessarily the vanilla version. Looking around, people are saying that you get 5-10% less damage per shot but higher sustained DPS but ONLY with a maxed out Primed Ravage. So no. Dat mag size tho. Male Man posted:Paris P/Dread vs. R Cernos It means it has a .3 second charge time by default. That and the extra damage makes it not bad but the loss of redcrits doesn't make it worth it.
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Sep 2, 2015 23:26
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What do you think the plat cost of the syndicate primaries will settle at compared to syndicate secondaries? I've got a v marelok and a s gammacor and kinda maybe want to get one of the primaries. Maybe finally give the tigris a shot.
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Sep 2, 2015 23:27
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Vaykor Hek already has Justice, of course it can't take the Justice Hek mod. That's too much Justice in one gun, the game won't be able to handle that much concentrated law until the Megacity update. But seriously, I can't wait for Rebecca to Steveshame on stream again
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22 Eargesplitten posted:You're actually potentially going from 420% to 220% ( Well, sorta. The jump from 300% to 420% is only a 40% marginal multiplicative increase, which is decent but not a foregone conclusion. It's perfectly possible in your build to never have to dig that deep for damage.
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Sep 3, 2015 00:11
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That's true, it is overkill against most targets, especially at 15 points. I suppose you could go for the +magazine size instead for QOL. On the other hand, if you do want the damage, I'm pretty sure the Hell's Chamber will do more than a third element (4th if you count blaze). Since you're doing +40% of the total, which is base +240%, as opposed to doing +90% of base. So 40% of 340%, rather than 90% of 100%.
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Sep 3, 2015 00:18
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Oh wow I just realized the Vaykor Hek has the exact same base damage as the normal Hek. It really is a straight downgrade. 
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Sep 3, 2015 00:45
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Vaykor Hek with crit build does about 96k burst damage from my calculation. You need Primed Ravage though.
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Sep 3, 2015 00:58
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Aesis posted:Vaykor Hek with crit build does about 96k burst damage from my calculation. Versus how much on a regular Hek? Also, does that include a max rank Primed Ravage?
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Neo_Crimson posted:Versus how much on a regular Hek? e: nvm Aesis fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Sep 3, 2015 |
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Sep 3, 2015 01:01
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Fish Noise posted:But seriously, I can't wait for Rebecca to Steveshame on stream again I'm eagerly awaiting this as well  The simulor sucks, is it any surprise the syndicate one sucks just as hard? Or, well, the other syndicate one, since the normal one is only from Simaris. So they're both syndicate, I guess.
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Sep 3, 2015 01:11
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Looks like demand for S Tigris is high, going to 100+ plat atm 
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Sep 3, 2015 01:30
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Someone in clan chat said Rebbecca confirmed that V. Hek doesn't get Scattered Justice.
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Sep 3, 2015 01:31
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hooah posted:Someone in clan chat said Rebbecca confirmed that V. Hek doesn't get Scattered Justice.
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Sep 3, 2015 01:33
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Aesis posted:Would make it totally op if it did. Also it wouldn't make sense to stack 2 innate procs. This is true. A better solution would just be increase the base damage or base pellet count of the V. Hek.
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Sep 3, 2015 01:39
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Neo_Crimson posted:This is true. A better solution would just be increase the base damage or base pellet count of the V. Hek.
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Sep 3, 2015 01:48
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Aesis posted:Well crit build V Hek can still do 95k burst dps with punch through compared to about 110k which isn't too bad. It is given that the V Hek takes WAY more effort to get, and requires a maxed Primed Ravage to get there.
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Sep 3, 2015 01:59
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They just shouldn't have made Vaykor Hek, and the definitely shouldn't have made it into a crit gun. Why would anyone trade the absurdly high guaranteed damage of Hek for something only marginally better on average if you max out a Primed mod that only works on that gun and is far, far less reliably damaging? It's stupid. None of these had any thought put into them.
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Sep 3, 2015 02:07
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Tigris and penta seem like the only superstars of this addition.
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It's back to not letting me buy weapon slots or claim weapons again, is anyone else being hit by this?
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Denzine posted:They just shouldn't have made Vaykor Hek, and the definitely shouldn't have made it into a crit gun.
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Sep 3, 2015 02:11
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As a right side supporter yesssss
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Sep 3, 2015 02:29
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Honestly, the left three (which I am a supporter of) getting shafted for weapons is hilarious to me. Steve: "How dare you not side with the torturers, human supremacists, and money-grubbers who'd sell their own grandmothers for a fiver?!"
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Sep 3, 2015 02:33
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Anyone wanna buy a gold and blue lotus huras? loving tired of trying to get pubs to buy it. I'll give ya a nice discount 
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Sep 3, 2015 02:34
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Malachite_Dragon posted:Honestly, the left three (which I am a supporter of) getting shafted for weapons is hilarious to me. Until now the left three was the Objectively Good choice, the playbase was heavily skewed towards them. These new weapons helped balance things out, though knowing DE it was unintentional. Looking forward to the extra salty devstream Friday.
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Sep 3, 2015 02:38
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I just love the description for the Secura Penta. Ruthless and efficient, just like the free-market. 
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Denzine posted:They just shouldn't have made Vaykor Hek, and the definitely shouldn't have made it into a crit gun. I will disagree about reliability. Shotgun crits have a very low variance, thanks to the number of projectiles.
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Here's a graph e: Yellow is Hek, grey is VHek... I think Vaykor Hek was made for use with Tainted Shell more than the Hek 
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Sep 3, 2015 02:56
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can they just appoint rebecca as lead game designer? she seems to be the only one who actually knows anything
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Sep 3, 2015 03:12
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Male Man posted:I will disagree about reliability. Shotgun crits have a very low variance, thanks to the number of projectiles. only if you assume all hit. you won't get that. because you're using a shotgun.
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Sep 3, 2015 03:16
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Who're the game designers on this anyway? Steve, Rebecca, who else?
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Sep 3, 2015 03:28
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Just realize Tigris doesn't reload as soon as ammo is depleted but actually waits for fire rate cycle before reloading, which means it can benefit from faster RoF. Not that it's of any use.
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SynthOrange posted:Who're the game designers on this anyway? Steve, Rebecca, who else? Rebecca's the community manager and the voice of the lotus, not a designer.
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