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IOwnCalculus posted:Yeah, even though it should be attached to the fact that the car did a stellar job of protecting its occupants, it won't stop someone from taking it out of context. Especially given this bit: Yeah this is the thing that might make me end up getting one. If it were just Ferrari fast I could be like "Ok that's just a completely unnecessary luxury, would be cool but I'd feel really dumb spending the money", now I have thoughts like "well I can afford it and it's the safest thing I can possibly get and that's gotta be worth a lot.."
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fjelltorsk posted:crash Holy poo poo. Glad you and the kids are ok. I don't remember reading about this in the news, did it happen around Bergen?
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Ola posted:Holy poo poo. Glad you and the kids are ok. I don't remember reading about this in the news, did it happen around Bergen? It happend just outside haugesund, in Tysvær. I guess Tysvær is not the most newsworthy place to crash in. there was like a three paragraf thing on vg and bt. but no pics.
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Edit: Wrong thread! Glad you were ok in that crash, hope I never have to test my car like that
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fjelltorsk posted:
Thanks for sharing the after-report. Glad the car did such a great job of protecting your family, and it's great the Tesla took care of you so well.
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about crashing.
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A quick google gave me https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wernsen.ada&hl=en - it looks like what you're looking for.
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Lt Moose posted:Does anyone know of an app that can run in the background and track driving habits? I'm really interested in picking up a used leaf, especially since I see there are a bunch for ~$11k or less in my area. My normal commute is no problem (25mi rt), and charging is available at work if necessary, but I don't just go to / from work every day. I guess I could keep a log in my current car and write down the mileage after every trip, but I'm looking for lazy alternatives Automatic (an obd2 reader) will send data to expensify (among others) to track this: http://arstechnica.com/cars/2015/06/automatic-and-mojio-bring-modern-luxury-gps-efficiency-to-15-year-old-clunkers/
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I have bluetooth audio phone connectivity, hands free calling and OBD-II diagnostics on my 90s miata, while not being forced to carry electric windows, power steering and air conditioning. That article is a pro click. I'm also in the market for a used leaf but i've had too many smartphones that didnt hold a charge all day after a year or two to think its realistic. Will a 10 year old leaf be a viable daily driver? 20? 30? i hope you know something i dont and its batteries are different somehow 
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MattD1zzl3 posted:I have bluetooth audio phone connectivity, hands free calling and OBD-II diagnostics on my 90s miata, while not being forced to carry electric windows, power steering and air conditioning. That article is a pro click. I'm also in the market for a used leaf but i've had too many smartphones that didnt hold a charge all day after a year or two to think its realistic. Will a 10 year old leaf be a viable daily driver? 20? 30? I've had mine for 3.5 years, the battery is going to trip the warranty replacement in about a year when it hits 70% max capacity. Also, the Leaf has a regular car battery to power some of the accessories.
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Lt Moose fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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I think the early Leafs (Leaves?) are a bit of a bad apple when it comes to battery longevity. I might be wrong about the details, but I think there is something about no active cooling or heating which causes the battery to lose capacity faster than later models and other brands. It will be interesting to see how this pans out in the long run, hopefully the batteries can be recycled well. As battery prices drop, a full replacement for a "vintage" Leaf will hurt less but it will still be a big chunk of $. But I guess it compares well to buying an early 80s car today and having a shop do the piston rings, cylinder honing and gearbox overhaul.
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Ola posted:But I guess it compares well to buying an early 80s car today and having a shop do the piston rings, cylinder honing and gearbox overhaul. It would only be comparable if the 80s car needed all of that work to drive at all, and then the value of that car before the repair would reflect that.
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IOwnCalculus posted:It would only be comparable if the 80s car needed all of that work to drive at all, and then the value of that car before the repair would reflect that. Not only that, the bulk of the cost with the 80s car is labor, for the battery replacement most of the cost is parts - so you can save a lot of money DIYing the 80s car, but only save a tiny bit DIYing the battery change. In both cases the cost will be several times higher than the purchase price before the repair and probably noticeably higher than the market value after the repair - which is often the case with old cars. I wonder if there will be a market for 3rd party reconditioned batteries. Take in a worn out pack, spend some sum in consumables and labor, get a fresh pack back for less than a brand new one.
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Ola posted:Not only that, the bulk of the cost with the 80s car is labor, for the battery replacement most of the cost is parts - so you can save a lot of money DIYing the 80s car, but only save a tiny bit DIYing the battery change. In both cases the cost will be several times higher than the purchase price before the repair and probably noticeably higher than the market value after the repair - which is often the case with old cars. I wonder if there will be a market for 3rd party reconditioned batteries. Take in a worn out pack, spend some sum in consumables and labor, get a fresh pack back for less than a brand new one. There's already a market for 3rd party reconditioned/new, higher capacity batteries for Priuses, so I'm sure that market will grow and mature for all EVs as time goes by.
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FWIW, my 2013 Leaf hit 30,000 miles on the original battery pack yesterday with no noticeable degradation. I nearly lost the whole car, though, because a black bear jumped in front of me at 29,999.6 miles while I was driving around staring at the odometer so I could get a 30k picture. Now that I said that I'll probably lose two bars today. Anyway, I fully expect the aftermarket to step in with cheaper batteries. With a degraded-battery Leaf, you absolutely do not need to replace the battery just to drive. It will drive perfectly fine, just not very far. You'd have to have a DEAD battery not to make it at least 20 miles on a charge.
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duz posted:I've had mine for 3.5 years, the battery is going to trip the warranty replacement in about a year when it hits 70% max capacity. Also, the Leaf has a regular car battery to power some of the accessories. So this brand new automobile can be expected to last no longer than 10-15 years with an acceptable range (When replacing the battery vs getting a new one out of warranty wont make financial sense) and this vehicle is supposed to be green? I still want one, dont get me wrong. But i hope im misunderstanding. MattD1zzl3 fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Aug 24, 2015 |
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MattD1zzl3 posted:So this brand new automobile can be expected to last no longer than 10-15 years with an acceptable range (When replacing the battery vs getting a new one out of warranty wont make financial sense) and this vehicle is supposed to be green? I still want one, dont get me wrong. But i hope im misunderstanding. Highlighted the problem in your argument. You are assuming that a replacement 24 kWh battery pack still "won't make financial sense" in 2030.
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Thats good. I just have it in my head that old car parts are expensive. I hope they dont use the smartphone business model. (The only constant use battery device frame of reference i have, really)
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MattD1zzl3 posted:So this brand new automobile can be expected to last no longer than 10-15 years with an acceptable range (When replacing the battery vs getting a new one out of warranty wont make financial sense) and this vehicle is supposed to be green? I still want one, dont get me wrong. But i hope im misunderstanding. You don't burn up the battery, you recycle it. That's what makes it green. Well, one thing.
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There is also a secondary market for batteries that still have, say, 10KWh reliably remaining. See the Tesla Powerwall. It might not be useable in a car but starving kids in Africa would love to hook that up to a solar panel so they can have light at night.
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I went back 4 to 5 pages and did not see anyone mention a Chevy Volt. My girlfriend has a 2012 or 2013 Volt Premium and I love it. I have never driven another EV. I do not want a pure EV because the range is too limiting, even at 200 miles. Once a month I have to drive 250 miles round trip for a business thing so that is 12x a year renting a car or taking my beater truck. The dealership near me has a new 2014 Volt Premium for like 28,500 with $1,000 cash back. With that plus the tax credit I'm only in it for 20k before my trade in, which would probably be $6,500. So I could be in a brand new premium Volt for like $14,000 out of pocket, financed at 2.75% for 5 years or I could pay cash if I wanted. I was thinking about waiting to buy my next car, but I know I want something environmentally conscious and I can't imagine a better deal than this coming along. Plus I am familiar with the car and love it! What is the difference between the '14 and '16 besides extended range and a bench seat that makes a material difference? I would rarely drive more than 35 miles a day per my driving habits now, and when I do break it it will be significant. The lower level 2016 Volts will be like 33k basic and premium will be 37k so basically 10k more for the equivalent new one. The 14 miles more range + bench back seat are big differences, but considering I love everything about my girlfriend's Volt (except the rear bucket seats do suck) I can't imagine other differences rocking my world. I'm having trouble justifying passing up a fully loaded Volt brand new at 20k before I have to even trade anything in or put down cash. I'm basically upgrading a 10 year old bad gas milage (but fun to drive) car to a brand new Volt for 14k! What would you guys do? Wait for the 2016? Does anyone here drive a Volt? Can prices get even lower? I have trouble imagining anything better than a brand new fully loaded vehicle for 20k before I even pay a dime. My daily driver is currently a 2005 Saab 92-x (WRX) if that matters. I also have a Ranger 4x4 which I will keep because I know the Volt can't go off the road. edit Oh I forgot, besides the bucket seats the blind spots on the current Volt are pretty crappy as well. I wish there was a 2016 model I could look at to see the difference in vision. Also, I would like to state Chevy did an atrocious job of marketing this vehicle. I thought it would be some piece of crap that was slow and sucked on the inside but it is just an incredible machine. At one point I thought it only had a range of 35...I didn't even know it used gas! I cannot believe these are not more popular. Ribsauce fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Aug 31, 2015 |
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Ribsauce posted:I went back 4 to 5 pages and did not see anyone mention a Chevy Volt. My girlfriend has a 2012 or 2013 Volt Premium and I love it. I have never driven another EV. I do not want a pure EV because the range is too limiting, even at 200 miles. Once a month I have to drive 250 miles round trip for a business thing so that is 12x a year renting a car or taking my beater truck. I am looking at getting a Volt, currently have a Leaf. It would be hard to argue that deal vs the 2016. I'm going to wait on the 2016 since it has some options that I want due to the cold winters, which is the heated steering wheel and all seats, like the Leaf. And I honestly don't think I could find that kind of deal without significant amounts of travel.
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Just keep in mind the tax credit is something you get back when you file your income taxes, it's not taken off the purchase price. I haven't driven the Volt but that sounds like an awesome deal. I did go drive a 85D model S this week, which was really fun. Looking forward to driving the P90D with Ludicrous mode whenever my local shop gets one in...
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Phuzun posted:And I honestly don't think I could find that kind of deal without significant amounts of travel. The worst part about Volts is finding someone at the dealership who knows a drat thing about them. I called 3 and one has a "Volt Expert" who is going to call me back tomorrow. Tyro posted:Just keep in mind the tax credit is something you get back when you file your income taxes, it's not taken off the purchase price. Also it says the $1,000 cash rebate expires today. I hope it doesn't disappear hah. edit I called the Indy dealership, if I can get this premium Volt with all the discounts including the Volt loyalty (which I can according to them, I just get it delivered to my GF's house) I'll be in it for only 14,000 or so shipped before selling my car, so maybe 8k max after. They are calling me back to confirm they can do all those discounts and can ship it to me. That is just a ridiculous deal! I am going to try to look at the 2014s up the street tomorrow and see if they will match, and if they do I'll probably snap buy, otherwise I think I will order this. Also Miami has new 2014s starting at 22k, 2015s starting at 24k (both non premium). These deals are insane once you factor in all the rebates. Using my GF's address, which I was told is OK, that is 11k after the rebates for a brand new 2014. I could justify 5k more for the 2016, but 12k is a much tougher sell. I talked to a guy at a dealership in Miami and it there is confusion if the 2015 discounts apply to 2014 models. If so I could get a premium for 25k - 7.5k -1k bonus - 2k bonus cash* - 2.5k loyalty - 750 credit union so 11,250 for a 2014 premium. That is ridiculous. If all the same rebates apply to a 2014 base you'd be in it for about $8,250 once you get your tax rebate. That just doesn't seem possible. The fine print said these rebates expire 8/31/15 but it isn't like 2015 Volt demand will go up this month. Hopefully I have time to get to the Raleigh dealership today and see what they can do vs these out of state deals. *not sure if there is really 1k bonus + 2k bonus cash Ribsauce fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Sep 1, 2015 |
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Apparently I got too excited. The "internet prices" are their discounts, and if you want to use a bunch of rebates instead it goes off MSRP. At least that is what I was told. In addition, apparently most of those rebates expired yesterday. I told the guy here that in Miami base Volts are straight up under 22k. He said the best he could do on a premium 14 is 27,500. I wasn't ready to do that but he knows he is in trouble, and even said so. Gas is 2 bucks, they got 10 old volts on the lot, and new ones hit in 6 weeks, and at a lower sticker price to boot! I wouldn't want to be the "Volt specialist" at a Chevy dealer this month hah.
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Ribsauce posted:Gas is 2 bucks, they got 10 old volts on the lot, and new ones hit in 6 weeks, and at a lower sticker price to boot! I wouldn't want to be the "Volt specialist" at a Chevy dealer this month hah. drat, there is no way they are going to sell those with the new model coming out.
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I hear Volts are pretty good cars but blech that interior. Thankfully the new one looks like it has real buttons again.
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I am going to be able to buy a brand new 2014 volt for $13,000 after tax credit aren't I? Anyway 20k miles driven and 5 months to go on my 3 year leaf lease and no bars lost yet. It is a 2012.
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Details on the Model X released/leaked. Something like $132k starting price. Yikes. 3.8s 0-60 unless you pay $10k for ludicrous mode and 3.2s. http://www.autoblog.com/2015/09/01/tesla-model-x-pricing-specs/
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ilkhan posted:Details on the Model X released/leaked. They're going to get down to the Volt's price range any day now. Yep, any day.
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Elephanthead posted:I am going to be able to buy a brand new 2014 volt for $13,000 after tax credit aren't I? Anyway 20k miles driven and 5 months to go on my 3 year leaf lease and no bars lost yet. It is a 2012. Michael Scott posted:drat, there is no way they are going to sell those with the new model coming out. When I left the dealer he said 27.5k all in for the loaded 14, I wonder what it will be when he calls me to follow up next week.
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ilkhan posted:Details on the Model X released/leaked. The $132k base price is for "Signature" models, the first run units, which are all well-equipped 90Ds. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/639170376186990592 quote:With same options, Model X is $5k more than an S due to greater size & body complexity. Sig Series is fully loaded, hence high price. If they offer it with the same drivetrain choices as Model S that means $75k base for a 70kWh RWD.
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wolrah posted:The $132k base price is for "Signature" models, the first run units, which are all well-equipped 90Ds.
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$75k puts it squarely into Suburban range. Obviously a nicely equipped Suburban vs a base X, but still a similar dollar number. I'm curious to see the first comparison somebody does between the two.
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Godholio posted:Edit: Neeever mind. People with 3 kids or more.
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Wasn't the Model X supposed to be more affordable? Like not cheap-cheap, but a level lower and more mass-market than the S. Still with the love of SUVs/Crossovers they'll probably sell a shitload of these judging by Porsche's sedan:suv ratio
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