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lmaoboy1998 posted:I'm glad the brave journalists of Al Jazeera, salaries paid in full by the Qatari royal family, are firmly calling Australia out for migrant abuse. Me too Alan BStard posted:Where may I receive guidance on the Correct choices for the Labour ballot? I remember there being some links in the last thread buried somewhere. I'm still undecided on Stella Creasy or Angela Eagle - if anyone has any good reasons not to vote for either of them, let's hear it! I think it was Acaila who posted this link about National Policy Forum candidates, for what it's worth - haven't looked into it yet though
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lmaoboy1998 posted:I'm glad the brave journalists of Al Jazeera, salaries paid in full by the Qatari royal family, are firmly calling Australia out for migrant abuse. This, but without the cack-handed irony.
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Sep 2, 2015 23:43
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Guavanaut posted:It's almost as if they're more likely to call the White Commonwealth out on their bullshit than the BBC are, and vice versa.
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Sep 2, 2015 23:48
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Guavanaut posted:It's almost as if they're more likely to call the White Commonwealth out on their bullshit than the BBC are, and vice versa. I don't think any crusading left wing journalist can be funded entirely by slave-owners and expect to maintain a lot of credibility. Possibly a controversial view in this strange thread but hell, I'm hanging my hat on it.
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Sep 2, 2015 23:53
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I don't really consider AJ English to be crusading or left wing, but if we're looking for large corporate or state funded media outlets that are going to call countries out on their bullshit then they're probably going to have bullshit of their own backing them. That's the importance of considering multiple sources. Otherwise we could just tu quoque ourselves into oblivion and never consider any news source bringing something important into greater awareness to be worthwhile in and of itself. I'd already heard details about Australia's concentration camps through their RedFlag newspaper a while before it was on TV, I just found it interesting that it was on TV a couple days ago. If another news source wants to bring Qatari injustice to the forefront, that would be good too. (I'm pretty sure that the BBC did that during the World Cup bid, despite being the state newspiece of the British Establishment.)
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Sep 3, 2015 00:02
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Guavanaut posted:I don't really consider AJ English to be crusading or left wing, but if we're looking for large corporate or state funded media outlets that are going to call countries out on their bullshit then they're probably going to have bullshit of their own backing them. That's the importance of considering multiple sources. Otherwise we could just tu quoque ourselves into oblivion and never consider any news source bringing something important into greater awareness to be worthwhile in and of itself.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
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Sep 3, 2015 00:43
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What they're saying isn't ridiculous.
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1.) It's really uncool to talk about fallacies all the time instead of just explaining why people are wrong in plain English. 2.) You've either misunderstood how that fallacy works or my argument. I'm not using the Al Jazeera connection to dismiss the journalists' logic (Australia's migration policy is very bad), I'm using it to criticise their characters. Using 'personal attacks' is pretty much the only way to criticise someone's character and is in no way fallacious.
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Sep 3, 2015 00:55
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It's worth noting that hypocrisy does not mean a statement is wrong; the black Kettle doesn't become white just because a black Pot shouts about the Kettle's blackness. Australia can be guilty of immensely appalling treatment of immigrants and natives, and Qatar can at the very same time have what is essentially a slave caste of immigrants and untouchables with no workers rights. Neither become clean just because the other starts shining a light.
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Sep 3, 2015 00:56
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lmaoboy1998 posted:I'm not using the Al Jazeera connection to dismiss the journalists' logic (Australia's migration policy is very bad), I'm using it to criticise their characters. Using 'personal attacks' is pretty much the only way to criticise someone's character and is in no way fallacious. Ah, I see. You were just going off on a weird tangent completely unrelated to the validity of Al Jazeera's reporting on this particular issue.
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Sep 3, 2015 01:25
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lmaoboy1998 posted:1.) It's really uncool to talk about fallacies all the time instead of just explaining why people are wrong in plain English. I just thought it would be a quick phonepostin' way of pointing out that they're either correct and doing something worthwhile, or they're not. Ulterior motives and personal hypocrisy don't change that See also: Tories bringing in gay marriage, an actual good thing those hellfuckers have done
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Chomskyan posted:Ah, I see. You were just going off on a weird tangent completely unrelated to the validity of Al Jazeera's reporting on this particular issue. I'm asking whether acquiring increased journalistic independence (from Western pressures specifically) excuses working for slave-traders and refusing to report on their crimes. Only baffling to the dim really. A non-UK tangent but 1.) I don't care because I'm not autistic and 2.) We were talking about Australia and Qatar's a lot closer geographically.
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If you want to say Qatar is terrible and Al Jazeera is also terrible by extension, then fine. But thislmaoboy1998 posted:I'm glad the brave journalists of Al Jazeera, salaries paid in full by the Qatari royal family, are firmly calling Australia out for migrant abuse. and this lmaoboy1998 posted:I don't think any crusading left wing journalist can be funded entirely by slave-owners and expect to maintain a lot of credibility. make it sound like you feel Australia is somehow being wronged here e- also this is pretty drat UK-centric since Australia's system is constantly being held up as an example to follow by our politicians and government. So yeah it's pretty relevant and useful if people are aware what that actually entails
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Sep 3, 2015 02:02
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Every person living is beholden and complicit in some manner to the global capitalist-imperialist system of murder, rape, slavery and exploitation. So I say, who are we to criticise anyone, guys? Aren't we just a bunch of hypocrites for taking a bunch of bosses' and landlords' money? The only ethical choice is to starve ourselves, clearly.
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Sep 3, 2015 02:16
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Doctors working in the camps have been told that they can't suggest that someone's health issues (depression, self-harm, etc) are linked to their detention. As in, literally being told to re-write their reports. The only thing Australia should be held up as being an example of, is how racism, naked capitalism and back-slapping good-old-boy shite can make a hellhole worse.
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Sep 3, 2015 06:25
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I don't think Australia is alone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campsfield_House https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colnbrook_Immigration_Removal_Centre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dover_Immigration_Removal_Centre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungavel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmondsworth_Immigration_Removal_Centre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haslar_Immigration_Removal_Centre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HM_Prison_Lindholme https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morton_Hall_Immigration_Removal_Centre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HM_Prison_The_Verne And of course the most well known one, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarl's_Wood_Immigration_Removal_Centre Remember that those used to be called detention centres before being rebranded as removal centres.
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Sep 3, 2015 06:59
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lmaoboy1998 posted:A non-UK tangent but 1.) I don't care because I'm not autistic and 2.) We were talking about Australia and Qatar's a lot closer geographically. I suggest you stick with "I don't care" because "Human suffering is more important when it's physically closer" seems silly arbitrary. Why it almost sounds like "charity begins at home"!
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TomViolence posted:Every person living is beholden and complicit in some manner to the global capitalist-imperialist system of murder, rape, slavery and exploitation. So I say, who are we to criticise anyone, guys? Aren't we just a bunch of hypocrites for taking a bunch of bosses' and landlords' money? The only ethical choice is to starve ourselves, clearly. This tbh. Private Eye laying into Corbyn for giving £150/hr lectures to Capita - the pricks who do the Work Capability Assesments - today. Also there's some wanker in my train carriage wearing an honest to god top hat. He's eating haribo.
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Sep 3, 2015 09:05
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Best Corbyn vid so far. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBDoaCu6INo
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Oberleutnant posted:Also there's some wanker in my train carriage wearing an honest to god top hat. He's eating haribo. Come over and say hello to me.
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Sep 3, 2015 09:13
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Oberleutnant posted:Private Eye laying into Corbyn for giving £150/hr lectures to Capita - the pricks who do the Work Capability Assesments - today. It's a pretty desparate angle, tbh. Gave lectures to the civil service on parliament which have been outsourced to Capita. Also £150/hr is generous pay for lectures but perhaps only twice what your average university would pay. OvineYeast fucked around with this message at 09:31 on Sep 3, 2015 |
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Sep 3, 2015 09:27
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In today's 99p Kindle sale Amazon have Blair's memoir A Journey.
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This whole no-Syrian refugee thing is making me vomit so loving badly. In Holland we're talking about somewhere between 2.000 and 8.000 refugees. It's nothing. Not a drop in an ocean of 17 million existing Dutch people. If it's 8.000, we're talking about roughly 20 people per city that we need to rescue and house. Our PM, like yours, doesn't want to commit to dick-all because I don't know. How the gently caress do these people sleep at night?
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TomViolence posted:Every person living is beholden and complicit in some manner to the global capitalist-imperialist system of murder, rape, slavery and exploitation. So I say, who are we to criticise anyone, guys? Aren't we just a bunch of hypocrites for taking a bunch of bosses' and landlords' money? The only ethical choice is to starve ourselves, clearly. I agree that there's a background level of complicity we all share, but our choices are all the more important for that. Do we deepen or lessen that complicity? I see a large spectrum of morality between 'working in a kebab shop' and 'working on the American drone program by choice', but then I'm not a communist. KKKlean Energy posted:I suggest you stick with "I don't care" because "Human suffering is more important when it's physically closer" seems silly arbitrary. Why it almost sounds like "charity begins at home"! It was more a justification for discussing a non-UK topic in the UK thread. I hate Australians as much as any well-educated human being should.
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Junior G-man posted:How the gently caress do these people sleep at night? On a feather-soft bed of votes.
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It's seriously disgusting. Children are drowning at sea escaping from hells-on-Earth that we have contributed to on multiple levels and supposedly reasonable human beings look at it and say "Not my problem". It just makes me ashamed to be British.
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lmaoboy1998 posted:
 What does this even mean? What are you talking about? You filled the EuroPol thread with this same sort of non-specific nonsense about the Left or Communism or however you want to call it - can you just clarify what you mean instead of just yelling COMMUNIST and then leaving us to decipher your prattle.
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Pissflaps posted:Come over and say hello to me. On further investigation his hat might have been one of them Amish hats but I'm not certain. Can Amish use trains?
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Oberleutnant posted:On further investigation his hat might have been one of them Amish hats but I'm not certain. Can Amish use trains? I've spent time amongst the Amish so i'm a bit of an expert and I'm pretty sure the answer is yes.
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Can they eat Haribo?
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Paul.Power posted:Can they eat Haribo? it's a good question that deserves to be answered. Stop avoiding the question, pissflaps.
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Amish can use trains but they have to pretend like they accidentally got on it and they dont understand how its moving
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Paul.Power posted:Can they eat Haribo? I don't think they typically would. However young Amish people have a period in their lives when they'll 'go wild' and live in the big city and do whatever they like before coming home and committing to the Amish lifestyle - maybe this person was exploring the world of 'The English' by consuming a packet of jelly sweets?
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I don't think you are as educated as you think. I hope you are just incredibly bad at expressing your, such as they are, thoughts.
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Oberleutnant posted:On further investigation his hat might have been one of them Amish hats but I'm not certain. Can Amish use trains? Sure he's not a Hassidic Jew
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Pissflaps posted:maybe this person was exploring the world of 'The English' by consuming a packet of jelly sweets? Should've had Monster Munch then. *the door to Crisp Chat creaks open*
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Junior G-man posted:
I'm guessing the guy who wrote this TomViolence posted:Every person living is beholden and complicit in some manner to the global capitalist-imperialist system of murder, rape, slavery and exploitation. isn't a passionate market capitalist.
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Serotonin posted:Sure he's not a Hassidic Jew I don't think Oberleutnant could be so culturally unaware - and possibly racist - as to make a schoolboy error like this. Junior G-man posted:Should've had Monster Munch then. The Amish use 'The English' is a catch-all term for anyone not Amish.
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Serotonin posted:Sure he's not a Hassidic Jew I didn't notice a beard and iirc they don't shave, right? I know Amish have beards too but I think only once they get older. Anyway this guy was pretty young - I'd say mid 20s. It might have still have been a top hat, but it was somehow oddly proportioned and didn't have a consistent girth from base to tip (ladieess)
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