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lmaoboy1998 posted:I'm guessing the guy who wrote this And therefore ... A) His/her opinion doesn't matter B) It's a COMMUNIST C) He/She doesn't live in the Real World What? Your use of words and language make no loving sense, unless it's some sort of D&D Jazz riff, where we're supposed to infer meaning and pleasure from the things you haven't written.
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Pissflaps posted:I don't think Oberleutnant could be so culturally unaware - and possibly racist - as to make a schoolboy error like this. There was one at the Tower of London when we visited last year. My kids thought he was one of the costumed tour guides ( not the Yeomans before some smart arse makes that quip- there was a War of the Roses living history thingy going on) and said so in a loud voice.
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Live in a shed in someone's front room in Bethnal Green ALAB
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Sep 3, 2015 10:23
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quote:a shed, remember, is a specialist wooden box for dads to cry in
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Sep 3, 2015 10:28
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My mortgage is a lot less than the rent on that shed
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Sep 3, 2015 10:32
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I used to rent a 2 bedroom house, on my own, for less than that.
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Sep 3, 2015 10:42
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Junior G-man posted:And therefore ... Can I choose D) all of the above? Really I was pointing out that complicity is a very subjective concept and that the difference between the ways we understand it might be determined by ideology (and so not worth arguing about further between crisp posts in the UKMT). It wasn't that sharp a dig at anyone. Even if I were being dismissive of communism I'm not sure why this would be quite so upsetting to you. I understand that it's your Best System but ease up on it a little.
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Sep 3, 2015 10:56
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lmaoboy1998 posted:I understand that it's your Best System but ease up on it a little. This, again. Why the gently caress is anyone who disagrees with you a Communist? What did Lenin ever do to you? Run over your cat? It's not that I'm upset, but I'm just tired of having to read your illegible scribbles where everyone who disagrees seems to be some sort of closet Trot.
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Sep 3, 2015 11:02
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Junior G-man posted:It's not that I'm upset, but I'm just tired of having to read your illegible scribbles where everyone who disagrees seems to be some sort of closet Trot. you probably want to steer clear of Comment Is Free for a while then
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Sep 3, 2015 11:05
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Junior G-man posted:Why the gently caress is anyone who disagrees with you a Communist?
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Sep 3, 2015 11:05
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Angepain posted:you probably want to steer clear of Comment Is Free for a while then I stay very far from the comment section in there. But the big difference is that at least nutters like Rafael Baer are readable, even if wrong. Hoops posted:A lot of people in this thread are communists tbf. Going off the numbers, there's pretty good odds that if someone is disagreeing with him they are in fact a communist. I have here in my hand a list of 205—a list of names that were made known to the UKMT as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the UKMT 
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Sep 3, 2015 11:07
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This 14 year old lad who sent a naked pic of him to a girl the same age who has had 's crime recorded against him', how is that different from being convicted, apart from the fact he had no opportunity for defence in court? Its going to be recorded on his criminal record for at least ten years, so he is hosed if he wants any job with a crb. Apparently, because the girl circulated the snapchat pic, if he was of age, he would be the victim of revenge porn. The victim. I don't know if this is another case of law not keeping up with technology, but surely this is a human rights violation?
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Sep 3, 2015 11:08
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Junior G-man posted:Should've had Monster Munch then. Obligatory tortilla chip supremacy post.
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Sep 3, 2015 11:09
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Thankfully, it looks like the media mood is swinging decidedly against the government. coffeetable fucked around with this message at 11:17 on Sep 3, 2015 |
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Sep 3, 2015 11:15
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coffeetable posted:Thankfully, it looks like we'll be accepting refugees after all. Are we sure that the content isn't ANCHOR BABIES BORN IN UK ARE COVERT MUSLIM EXTREMISTS?
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Sep 3, 2015 11:16
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Laffo at the Guardian lately.”On the Channel migrant crisis” posted:
”On the Syrian refugee crisis” posted:
Ok the last one didn’t happen.
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Sep 3, 2015 11:17
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Zero Gravitas posted:Bozza can your drum corps do this? Ew, yes. We'd absolutely piss these clowns, look how dirty it is! Flam flam flam flam. Try listening to your centre snare, you Swiss shites! Here's some proper poo poo, takes a couple of minutes to get going - https://youtu.be/wOir3mIdxMM Also, you do a wheel by the person on the inside shortening their pace size and the person on the outside lengthening their pace size maintaining your dressing to the inside point. It's a piece of piss but a lot of people get it wrong because they don't know where their dress point is.
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Sep 3, 2015 11:21
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Junior G-man posted:This, again. When someone says capitalism is rape in the UKMT I don't think it's a huge leap to say that they're a communist. I expect that guy even likes being called a communist so the purpose of steadfastly claiming he's not is unclear to me.
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Sep 3, 2015 11:22
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Yeah, I was surprised to see all the tabloids have lead with that drowned child on the front page. Not sure what the content was like inside because damned if I'm going to be seen reading the Mail in public but there've been quite a few Tories saying it's a humanitarian crisis and we need to accept more refugees, so it might not be their usual Der Sturmer plagiarism for once. I wonder why he's so keen on doubling down on this when anybody could tell you that it's not going to look good when photos of dead children are involved. Apart from the fact he's a human-shaped vacuum of compassion, obv. XMNN fucked around with this message at 11:47 on Sep 3, 2015 |
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Sep 3, 2015 11:42
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A brief update of the ongoing Northern Ireland mess, the DUP have given Cameron a deadline of Monday to take some form of action/propose a solution to the current impasse - the assembly returns from its summer recess on Monday and the DUP have made it clear "unilateral action" will be taken if an agreement of some sort has not been reached by then. The DUP tried to temporarily adjourn the assembly earlier in the week but where defeated by cross-party veto so the likely action is withdrawal. There is a lot of talk about reviving the Independent Monitoring Commission as a possible solution, a body created to monitor paramilitary activity that was wrapped up in 2011. SF hated the IMC and accused them of targeting them specifically, however pressure is increasing south of the border where SF's opponents (FF in particular) are applying pressure on them to comply. They may accept the reintroduction of the IMC, maybe. Also Alliance have said that if there is solid proof that the IRA are still engaging in criminal activity they may indeed drop out, they control the justice ministry as part of a compromise and if they pull out the executive would probably have to be suspended as well - or at the very least control of policing transfered back to Westminster (which would not please SF or the SDLP)
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awesome-express posted:I've never seen or heard anyone complain about Mexicans, tho. I’ll always remember going over there as a 14 year old and seeing the divide. I was at a garden party in the suburbs and a fair number of local families rocked up. The gardens (read: huge stretches of grass) there all blended together with no fences, so people could wander over. This Mexican dad was there with his kids, getting involved in some of the games. The white host turned to her friend and went “aww, look at him trying to fit in," in the most patronising voice possible. Irritated the hell out of me even at that politically unaware age. Guavanaut posted:I think there's a lot more casual racism in the UK than you're crediting. Maybe that's just because I live near a city where people have a lot more opportunity to be casually racist than in more homogenous ones. Completely anecdotal, but that may be true. I had a pretty optimistic view of the racism situation in Britain, but when I mentioned that to my Asian friend he told me that he'd been sworn at twice just travelling to see me. Like random people pulling up next to him at lights and shouting "loving Paki". It never happens when he's with a white person, so I'm guessing it's underground in the same way people don't make comments to girls if they're with another guy. I was completely unaware my girlfriend routinely gets abuse until it happened to come up in conversation with her. Serotonin posted:Ask the average a Brit their opinion on Gypsies/ Travellers I'm all against demonising particular groups, but holy poo poo they don't half make it easy to do so. A camp of them has arisen lately on some recreational ground near me. At first we were pretty chilled - their cars were gleaming executive cars (BMWs, Audi's etc.) and their caravans were all pretty sweet models in good condition - we figured they're not doing anyone any harm and obviously had lots of cash and/or took good care of their living conditions. Fast forward a few weeks, and the place is utterly wrecked. There's not even a token attempt to keep the site clean - the place is absolutely covered in litter, even to the point where we can see dirty nappies strewn about on trees or on the ground. There's not even an attempt to do something as radical as put stuff in binbags and that's not even considering the piles of scrap metal and other crap lying around. I'll not shed a tear when the police come to turf them out. Prince John fucked around with this message at 12:03 on Sep 3, 2015 |
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Sep 3, 2015 11:55
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XMNN posted:Yeah, I was surprised to see all the tabloids have lead with that drowned child on the front page. Not sure what the content was like inside because damned if I'm going to be seen reading the Mail in public but there've been quite a few Tories saying it's a humanitarian crisis and we need to accept more refugees, so it might not be their usual Der Sturmer plagiarism for once. Ah no, I bravely ventured to the sun and dug out the article. They are shits, as expected: quote:Today The Sun urges David Cameron to help those in a life-and-death struggle not of their making. And Daniel Hannan pitches in to show that he truly is a heartless bastard. quote:if we open our doors to everyone in that category, there are hundreds of millions who would move to Europe and no countries can cope with that. So no, The Sun is not calling so much for a humane refugee policy, but rather for a CLOSE BORDERS AND BOMB THEM INTO PEACE approach.
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So what does everyone think will happen first? The invasion of IS held territories on 'peace missions' or the Macedonian/Greek army opening fire on a bunch of refugees for trying to rush the borders?
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serious gaylord posted:the Macedonian/Greek army opening fire on a bunch of refugees for trying to rush the borders? This, but replace Greek with Hungarian.
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Sep 3, 2015 12:15
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I should have known. That's pretty much the government position, too. I think the immigration minister repeated Cameron's line of "we need to bring stability to the region (and do nothing else)", like a) that's going to be a quick and easy proposition, b) the people who think we should be doing something to alleviate the human suffering would disagree (well, I guess they might be less keen on the "bomb them into stable piles of rubble and corpses" approach we're probably going to end up going with) and c) it will do anything at all to resolve the current issues that are happening literally right now.
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Sep 3, 2015 12:31
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Serotonin posted:Ask the average a Brit their opinion on Gypsies/ Travellers Prince John posted:I'm all against demonising particular groups, but holy poo poo they don't half make it easy to do so. A camp of them has arisen lately on some recreational ground near me. At first we were pretty chilled - their cars were gleaming executive cars (BMWs, Audi's etc.) and their caravans were all pretty sweet models in good condition - we figured they're not doing anyone any harm and obviously had lots of cash and/or took good care of their living conditions. Fast forward a few weeks, and the place is utterly wrecked. Case in point
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XMNN posted:I should have known. That's pretty much the government position, too. I think the immigration minister repeated Cameron's line of "we need to bring stability to the region (and do nothing else)", like a) that's going to be a quick and easy proposition, b) the people who think we should be doing something to alleviate the human suffering would disagree (well, I guess they might be less keen on the "bomb them into stable piles of rubble and corpses" approach we're probably going to end up going with) and c) it will do anything at all to resolve the current issues that are happening literally right now. At least now Cameron gets to look like a high-minded principled long-termist who doesn't kowtow to kneejerk emotion or something. Although the papers putting the dead child front page might seem like people think differently. I think there might be a U-turn at some point
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Prince John posted:I'm all against demonising particular groups, but holy poo poo they don't half make it easy to do so. Imagine someone had written this about any other ethnic group
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Sep 3, 2015 12:52
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I'm not sure what ethnicity they were but i've seen fields vacated by people living in caravans that have not been left as they found them.
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Sep 3, 2015 12:54
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The Sun posted:~shite~ The conclusion is annoying. Free borders would put all the gangsters and people smugglers out of a job. If refugees were allowed to use Ryanair they wouldn't be spending 5000 euros to get here by raft. Admittedly the comfort difference is negligible.
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All the travelers I've ever met were shits but I'm pretty certain I've not actually met any Romani (except in circumstances where they wouldn't be recognised as such). Also this doesn't mean travelers are shits. But drat, the people I've met were shits. Give Prince John some credit here and think about the proportion of traveler communities you've actively known about near your own homes at the time, and if they were shits. A quick problem arises. If traveler communities are respectful members of the greater community they live in, by virtue of being travelers, there is going to be less obvious positive integration in said communities. They live apart. This, combined with their small numbers after being nearly entirely wiped out by pretty much any pick of countries, I think this means we aren't seeing the acclimatisation to their presence we've seen with other migrant groups. Community prejudice seems to end when people can effectively identify the members of minorities as being part of their own community while having the numbers to be recognised as the minority group itself, and not simply "one of the good ones". Traveler communities, in peoples minds, arrive as a minority group and either trash the place or simply don't get noticed. I'm not suggesting at all this is something that the traveler communities need to address, they're the victims. But given the fact the entirety of Europe seems to be unable to accept them as members of society, I think an understanding needs to be reached with why we're so persistently racist against Romani in particular.
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Trickjaw posted:This 14 year old lad who sent a naked pic of him to a girl the same age who has had 's crime recorded against him', how is that different from being convicted, apart from the fact he had no opportunity for defence in court? Its going to be recorded on his criminal record for at least ten years, so he is hosed if he wants any job with a crb. Has the law about teenage records been updated recently? I wasn't very well behaved as a young lad and had a few things on file, which were permanently removed after 5 years/age of 18 (whichever is longest). e; Also I am able (in terms of record) to join the police, enter civil service, and run for parliament/PCC, which I'm not sure is possible if you have a spent offence aquired as an adult. Frankly a child sex offence is a bonus for at least one of those. Spangly A fucked around with this message at 13:18 on Sep 3, 2015 |
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Pissflaps posted:I'm not sure what ethnicity they were but i've seen fields vacated by people living in caravans that have not been left as they found them. 
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OvineYeast posted:Case in point I don't think I am your case in point though. My post was trying to highlight that keeping an open/positive mind about the travelling community is made difficult by the actions of some members of that community. I wasn't arguing that we shouldn't try and keep an open mind. This isn't an isolated incident, as a cursory google will show you. I'm not trying to tar everyone living in caravans with one brush - I've even spent some time living in one myself during my childhood - but it seems like there should come a point where it's acceptable to criticise the behaviour of a group of people. What's the Correct Thought response - should I invite them to poo poo up my garden too to avoid any appearance of oppression? These are people who clearly have the wealth and means to take care of themselves yet are deliberately taking a collective dump on the neighbourhood. Gum posted:Imagine someone had written this about any other ethnic group I don't even know what ethnicity they are to be honest. It's their behaviour I'm criticising, not their ethnicity or ethnic group. They look like indigenous white people, not that I've ever got right up close with them.
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Serotonin posted:The Glastonbury festival ? What about it? Oh you mean the mess left behind? People pay to be there. Cleanup costs are part of the festival's overheads.
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Spangly A posted:All the travelers I've ever met were shits but I'm pretty certain I've not actually met any Romani (except in circumstances where they wouldn't be recognised as such). Also this doesn't mean travelers are shits. But drat, the people I've met were shits. Those Jews. Everyone has had a pop at them since the year dot. I mean there must be something in it. It can't just be coincidence
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Junior G-man posted:some sort of D&D Jazz riff read this as "D&D Jizz-off". still fits Spangly A posted:I'm not suggesting at all this is something that the traveler communities need to address, they're the victims. Umm, that's pretty much exactly what your post suggests 
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Prince John posted:I don't even know what ethnicity they are to be honest. It's their behaviour I'm criticising, not their ethnicity or ethnic group. They look like indigenous white people, not that I've ever got right up close with them. Irish Travellers are a white ethnic group indigenous to British Isles, they can still be victims of prejudice.
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Pissflaps posted:What about it? Because the point is 'people create mess', using it specifically against a group as if it were unique behaviour of theirs is discriminatory.
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I've never seen any romani travellers to my knowledge, but once I saw a bunch of (what I took to be) indians, or south asians, all set up with caravans in a doctors' surgery car park in the grotty housing estate I live in. I honestly couldn't fathom why they chose that spot, but they were only there for a single night and the place looked no worse for wear the following morning when I passed by on my way to work. Once a lady that I assumed to be an Irish traveller offered me some heather in the middle of town but I demurred.
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