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euphronius posted:I posted a pdf of her duties and she actually does a lot. Yeah a bad county clerk can really mess things up. One big duty ours has is running elections and that can be a clusterfuck if they aren't prepared.
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Teddybear posted:In this county, the 'clerk' is much more of a mayor-y/executive style thing. No that is wrong There is a judge/executive in Ky
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Teddybear posted:In this county, the 'clerk' is much more of a mayor-y/executive style thing. That's all counties in the country that still have a county government (I think it's all in CT and many in MA and a few in other states that don't). It would be more accurate to refer to them as something like County President or considering the typical duality in most of the country, County Consul, honestly, but it's clerk because it's been clerk since the revolution and probably earlier.
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Three Olives posted:Seriously, in a just world she would have been legally required to do her job but the judge gave her a complete out where all she had to do is not actively interfere with her employees complying with a court order and she chose jail.   (In this video a caller openly calls for "blood in the street on a massive scale" and the host responds by saying "You know what, I think you are right.") https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WE1w8iOW88 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taFW5X-PsBk Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Sep 3, 2015 |
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Sep 3, 2015 22:34
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Behold all the facts you could want about Ky county government http://www.lrc.ky.gov/lrcpubs/ib114.pdf
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Sep 3, 2015 22:35
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The Gays
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Sep 3, 2015 22:36
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Man, these guys just want to be the American ISIS. Too bad they don't have the guts to actually live up to their hateful claims.
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Sep 3, 2015 22:41
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Well it's true, she wouldn't marry the gays (who came to the office for a license) or the straights for that matter.
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Sep 3, 2015 22:46
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You know I try and laugh about this made up Christian persecution but it is important to remember that Lawrence V. Texas wasn't decided until 2003 and it was a 6-3 decision. Literal legal persecution of gays by the state happened and was completely legal only 12 years ago. The police for real broke into a gay person's house and arrested them for having gay sex in 1998 so it is a little infuriating to hear the Christians whining about persecution by the gays.
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Sep 3, 2015 22:54
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euphronius posted:No that is wrong County Clerk is sort of like... You know how the President has a cabinet consisting of the Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, Attorney General, and all the other guys whose jobs you probably don't remember? County Clerk is the "All the other guys" of elected county-level governance.
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Sep 3, 2015 22:59
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Apparently one of her deputies is her son. I think it's that kind of local government office.
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Sep 3, 2015 23:08
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Samurai Sanders posted:Apparently one of her deputies is her son. I think it's that kind of local government office. The previous incumbent officeholder was her mother.
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Sep 3, 2015 23:11
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Sep 3, 2015 23:14
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Will there be a transcript of the hearings today? I really want to read exactly what was said.
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Sep 3, 2015 23:15
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For people who are  about the deputy clerks getting summarily fired you really needn't worry. They are government employees and have protections in place, even in KY. Your boss cannot fire you for failing to obey an unlawful order (not issue licenses). HR can refuse to process the terminations and even in the case of egregious misconduct on the part of an employee, which this isn't, involves a hearing by HR to determine if the dismissal is warranted.tl;dr she ain't gonna fire them from jail and assuming she's still in the position when she gets out there are much smarter people in HR and Risk Management who will refuse to go along with it
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Samurai Sanders posted:Apparently one of her deputies is her son. I think it's that kind of local government office. Ah, it's not just the US, my grandparents' village had the same thing where the mayor was the former mayor's son.
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I do kind of hate the idea that the crazies won't attack gay people, the neighborhood gay bar that I frequent has heavy armed security during all business hours in large part because of past hate crimes.
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Three Olives posted:I do kind of hate the idea that the crazies won't attack gay people, the neighborhood gay bar that I frequent has heavy armed security during all business hours in large part because of past hate crimes. I think it's more that the crazies already do that all the time.
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Sep 3, 2015 23:40
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Prester John can you take your  rants back to your own vanity thread?
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Hahaquote:Mat Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel, which is representing Davis, said in a statement, “Everyone is stunned at this development. Kim Davis is being treated as a criminal because she cannot violate her conscience. While she may be behind bars for now, Kim Davis is a free woman. Her conscience remains unshackled.” http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/03/kentucky-clerks-stunned-attorney-reacts-the-judge-is-treating-her-like-a-criminal/
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jivjov posted:Wow. She is a loving MORON too. She had an easy way out, where she would not be forced to act like she was compromising her faith, and she prefers to rot in jail. Is it still martyrdom if she's a complete idiot about it?  I understand that she can't be fired because it's an elected position but surely she could just resign? That would really have been the best thing for everybody, in my opinion. Also, is there no provision for impeachment seeing how she's an elected member of the executive branch acting in obvious violation of the relevant laws?
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PrBacterio posted:The thing I've been wondering is why she wouldn't just step down if she's not prepared to perform her duties anymore? I won't keep posting this often/much more but it bears repeating: quote:
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Don't worry about the other clerks. Kim Davis will never be allowed to fire another human being in any position she holds for the rest of her life after this. Probably HR will not let her even lightly discipline someone without consulting them first, and this assuming she's counting down her last few days in a government job
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Morter posted:I won't keep posting this often/much more but it bears repeating:
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Sep 4, 2015 00:55
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Also have anybody else not yet received their mandatory twink husband yet? I could really use some help dressing my new place up and splitting the rent would be nice, I wonder if there's a form I was supposed to fill out
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Epic High Five posted:Also have anybody else not yet received their mandatory twink husband yet? I could really use some help dressing my new place up and splitting the rent would be nice, I wonder if there's a form I was supposed to fill out The twinks all sold out. All that are left are bears, otters, lions, fiddler crabs, wombats, and a single gazelle.
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Royal W posted:The twinks all sold out. All that are left are bears, otters, lions, fiddler crabs, wombats, and a single gazelle. 
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/03/politics/kentucky-clerk-same-sex-marriage-kim-davis/index.html And now for opinions from Presidential Candidate and cool dude, Rand Paul: Rand Paul posted:If you want to convince people that Same Sex marriage is something that's acceptable, I would say try to persuade people, but if [the government gets invovled], it's going to harden's people resolve on this issue; there will be no open-mindedness. Two things Mr. Paul: More than half the country is in support of same sex marriage and there is that issue of that annoying SCOTUS ruling, so it's not the LGBT community that needs to do the convincing my friend. Second, you are more likely to find a pot of gold with a lephurcon on it than you are to find an open-minded religious zealot.
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PrBacterio posted:The thing I've been wondering is why she wouldn't just step down if she's not prepared to perform her duties anymore? That, to me, seems to be the most logical thing to do in her position if she disagrees that strongly with the laws she's supposed to execute, to the point where she doesn't even want to allow other people to perform in her name ... but she didn't. Or is she somehow not allowed to step down? The most logical action would only apply to someone who was capable of acting logically, which clearly she is not.
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I hope she remains in jail upto the 16th, as it will be a definite CNN debate question by then.
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Royal W posted:The twinks all sold out. All that are left are bears, otters, lions, fiddler crabs, wombats, and a single gazelle. Awww man, I'd probably be categorized as a bear myself and the Gaystapo would likely forbid me being assigned another bear or otter. I guess I'll have to resubmit for a lion then. It'll suck being second fiddle in the relationship I guess but at least I'll have a workout buddy as well!
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Canine Blues Arooo posted:http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/03/politics/kentucky-clerk-same-sex-marriage-kim-davis/index.html Using the government to bar same-sex marriages is a-okay, of course. Fuckin' Libertarians.
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This Reuters article about the judge in the case is, well, it's short and I'll sum it up for you. Judge Bunning is known as being very fair, straightforward, impartial, and decidedly non-political in the courtroom according to everyone Reuters could reach for comment. Here's what his mother says:Judge Bunning's Mom posted:David is an honest person. He doesn't agree with the Supreme Court but has to obey the law. In other words he seemingly doesn't like the gay marriages but he's not a loving idiot and he understands what the law is, and is going to act based on that. Take note, Kim Davis, that is how a government official is supposed to act.
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Epic High Five posted:Awww man, I'd probably be categorized as a bear myself and the Gaystapo would likely forbid me being assigned another bear or otter. I guess I'll have to resubmit for a lion then. It'll suck being second fiddle in the relationship I guess but at least I'll have a workout buddy as well! You of all people should know better.  Bears form quartets. 
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Keeshhound posted:You of all people should know better. But I can't marry ALL of them! ...... YET
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NOM waited almost a full day to get this out. Fresh from my inbox:quote:Hours ago a federal judge jailed Kentucky clerk Kim Davis in an act of judicial tyranny. Judge David Bunning wants to force her to abandon her Christian principles and personally participate in validating same-sex 'marriages' by putting her name on the license. Federal law says that the government must provide a reasonable accommodation for people with deeply held religious beliefs, but this rouge judge is determined to make Kim pay for standing up for principle.
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PrBacterio posted:The thing I've been wondering is why she wouldn't just step down if she's not prepared to perform her duties anymore? That, to me, seems to be the most logical thing to do in her position if she disagrees that strongly with the laws she's supposed to execute, to the point where she doesn't even want to allow other people to perform in her name ... but she didn't. Or is she somehow not allowed to step down?
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Icon Of Sin posted:NOM waited almost a full day to get this out. Fresh from my inbox: NOM lovely copywriter posted:rouge judge 9 hours and you can't even proofread your press release. For shame. Please send 25, 50, or 250 to help us hire a better copywriter.
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Icon Of Sin posted:NOM waited almost a full day to get this out. Fresh from my inbox:  Like the big mean gay  ROUGE JUDGE has a gun to her head and his other hand on her signing hand, forcing her to put pen to paper.She's not being forced to do poo poo; she can quit whenever she wants. E: misspelled "ROUGE"
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https://actright.com/petition/171 is the petition they want people to sign.quote:The People's Marriage Pledge
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