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Kitchner posted:Problem is Wesley Crusher went off to evolve to a higher plane of existence. What a poo poo story. He was back for the Riker wedding in Nemesis. Looked like he was having fun.
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Sep 4, 2015 15:26
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Figaro posted:Wil Wheaton instinctfully makes my skin crawl. There's just something about his gerbil face...his strange rictus grin...desperate eyes Well he did manage to con people out of a million bucks to host a show that plays $40 tabletop games, and got his whole family to appear on the payroll.
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Kitchner posted:Problem is Wesley Crusher went off to evolve to a higher plane of existence. What a poo poo story. Oh new page. So uh whatever happened with seth macfarlane wanting to so a new series?
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Sep 4, 2015 15:49
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happyhippy posted:Well he did manage to con people out of a million bucks to host a show that plays $40 tabletop games, and got his whole family to appear on the payroll. Hey, Hank Green don't come cheap, or is it John Green- and I just realized that this isn't the show you're talking about and he actually has at least two shows where people play tabletop games on camera.
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Sep 4, 2015 16:06
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Entropic posted:You'd think that if it were that easy to ruin a planet the entire Alpha Quadrant would have been uninhabitable a hundred years ago. Probably the same way nobody's attacked anyone with nuclear weapons since Nagasaki - sure, the Romulans could sneak attack and wipe out at least a few Federation planets, but then half of Starfleet (and most of the Klingon fleet) blitzes into Romulan space to retaliate.
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Sep 4, 2015 16:24
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i think star trek is unrealistic
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Sep 4, 2015 16:25
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The whole format of Trek just wouldn't sell as a series these days. DS9 comes the closest to what's popular now, mainly because it's serial. It's by far the most interesting because it questions the entire underpinnings of the show's mantra of utopia. Utopias are boring and drastically limit the number of stories to be told.
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Sep 4, 2015 16:40
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Melchior posted:The whole format of Trek just wouldn't sell as a series these days. DS9 comes the closest to what's popular now, mainly because it's serial. It's by far the most interesting because it questions the entire underpinnings of the show's mantra of utopia. Utopias are boring and drastically limit the number of stories to be told. Yeah but you could do a show on the fringes of the utopia and have the crew struggling to maintain their lofty ideals when faced with outside context problems and whatever. Kind of like Voyager tried to do but you know.
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Sep 4, 2015 16:57
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Germstore posted:Hey, Hank Green don't come cheap, or is it John Green- and I just realized that this isn't the show you're talking about and he actually has at least two shows where people play tabletop games on camera. He is the Adam Sandler of table top gaming.
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Sep 4, 2015 17:02
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OK I'm done running through Twin Peaks so I'm finally gonna watch DS9 I have a hard time believing it's gonna be better overall than TNG but I'm willing to give it a shot
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Sep 4, 2015 17:16
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Monkey Fracas posted:OK I'm done running through Twin Peaks so I'm finally gonna watch DS9 just like tng it takes a few seasons for it to really pick up but its highest highs are really good tv, and imo it has fewer Truly loving Irredeemable episodes than any other star trek series
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Sep 4, 2015 17:18
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Figaro posted:Wil Wheaton instinctfully makes my skin crawl. There's just something about his gerbil face...his strange rictus grin...desperate eyes He's a nerd. Nerds are revolting.
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Sep 4, 2015 17:22
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He could appear in the reboot movies as Wesley Crusher: higher being and sex abuse survivor. Since time and space and thought are not the different things that they appear, once he's mastered that poo poo he could show up anywhere, anywhen, including alternate timelines.
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Sep 4, 2015 17:25
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TEAYCHES posted:just like tng it takes a few seasons for it to really pick up but its highest highs are really good tv, and imo it has fewer Truly loving Irredeemable episodes than any other star trek series I have a bit of fondness for hilariously dumb/awkward/corny TNG episodes; the awful stuff is part of the charm for me I mean some stuff is Irredeemably bad, but the show seems to oscillate between legitimately compelling and entertaining unintentional goofiness DS9 seems like they've maybe kinda cut out some of that awkward, goofy fat but I could be wrong I hope it's sorta similar bu different enough, ya know?
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Melchior posted:The whole format of Trek just wouldn't sell as a series these days. DS9 comes the closest to what's popular now, mainly because it's serial. It's by far the most interesting because it questions the entire underpinnings of the show's mantra of utopia. Utopias are boring and drastically limit the number of stories to be told. the problem is people keep demanding that new star trek be about the federation when star trek was rarely directly addressing the federation even DS9 spent only a handful of episodes that was really centered on the federation. star trek was never meant to be about the federation, the federation was always just the space government that our heroes came from, that was always sufficiently ambiguously defined as to not constrain writers. this is also why TOS is best trek. TOS never claimed that the federation was a utopia where everyone is perfect. there were assholes all over the place, even captain kirk would sometimes go overboard. there's a big yawning chasm between "earth is perfect and in total harmony" and "we've finally got to the point where we generally stop murdering each other and letting people die of hunger or easily treatable disease" and i think the latter is still a vital component of star trek. if you want a story that's taking apart a grotesquely corrupt cyberpunk future hell earth, star trek might not be the best setting for that.
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Sep 4, 2015 17:37
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Monkey Fracas posted:I have a bit of fondness for hilariously dumb/awkward/corny TNG episodes; the awful stuff is part of the charm for me you will find a good amount of goofy poo poo in ds9. the 10th episode "move along home" is a good example of the kind of off-the-wall thing youd see in the sillier tng episodes
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Sep 4, 2015 17:38
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shadow puppet of a posted:(which makes me instantly suspicious of Sisko's Dad and his fake restaurant) You have every reason to be suspicious of Sisko's dad. 
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Sep 4, 2015 17:39
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Monkey Fracas posted:I have a bit of fondness for hilariously dumb/awkward/corny TNG episodes; the awful stuff is part of the charm for me Monkey Fracas posted:DS9 seems like they've maybe kinda cut out some of that awkward, goofy fat but I could be wrong
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Sep 4, 2015 18:14
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I hated Vic Fontaine and the stupid DS9 writers' stupid obsession with Vegas lounge lizards so much.
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Sep 4, 2015 18:21
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OK seems like I'll feel right at home with DS9
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Entropic posted:I hated Vic Fontaine and the stupid DS9 writers' stupid obsession with Vegas lounge lizards so much. i liked mirror vic although first time i saw mirror vic get ganked i thought i saw a bunch of cool robot sparks fly out of him and i was like "huh thats clever, vic is a hologram and mirror vic is an android" but it was wrong apparently and he was just a human?
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Sep 4, 2015 19:24
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Monkey Fracas posted:OK seems like I'll feel right at home with DS9 Ironically, Move Along Home may change that
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Sep 4, 2015 19:24
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anywayzzz vic is a great character and was really cool and i love his album of start truck stuff
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Sep 4, 2015 19:25
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ill-conceived/ executed nonsense is a key part of the Star Trek experience
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Sep 4, 2015 19:36
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Entropic posted:I hated Vic Fontaine and the stupid DS9 writers' stupid obsession with Vegas lounge lizards so much. Fundamentally Star Trek is an anthology show. Even when serialized, they tell stories in various genres. The real crime of holodeck stories is that they cheapen the reasons the writers are telling different kinds of stories in the future. They get to skip setting entirely and just baldly assert that the show is a different genre now because science. Star Trek writers have been able to engage classic story plots without resorting to cheap holodeck tricks before. There's an episode of TNG that's essentially "The Ghost and Mrs. Muir" and an episode of DS9 that's pretty much "Brigadoon, but with Dax this time." Vic Fontaine allows for a truly great exploration of the heist genre. They hit all the beats right, but I think the extended engagement with Vic Fontaine is an effort to get to a classic casino heist that they were having difficulty telling without robbing Quark. You get a happy medium where Vic is an established character first so it feels less artificial to go to his location to tell his kind of story. That said, fundamentally you can't escape the problems the holodeck brings to story telling.
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MonsieurLongDong posted:They hit all the beats right, but I think the extended engagement with Vic Fontaine is an effort to get to a classic casino heist that they were having difficulty telling without robbing Quark. The whole crew conspiring to rob Quark could have been one hilarious episode.
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Sep 4, 2015 19:47
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Vic was poo poo and was only there as renting suits was cheaper than 10 hours makeup and design.
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ds9 has silly episodes both the kind that make you roll your eyes and the kind that are like, hey these are genuinely charming stories. personally i'm a fan of one little ship, in the cards and the magnificent ferengi. the tribble one is good too.
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Entropic posted:I hated Vic Fontaine and the stupid DS9 writers' stupid obsession with Vegas lounge lizards so much. It was the late 90s and there was this generally weird obsession with the Rat Pack and Vegas, Baby
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Sep 4, 2015 20:25
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Chomp8645 posted:The whole crew conspiring to rob Quark could have been one hilarious episode. keiko: miles while you guys were busy robbing quark the dominion invaded the alpha quadrant
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well now I want to see TNG redone in DK mode from Goldeneye
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Cry Havoc posted:keiko: MIIIIILLLLEEEESSSS while you guys were busy robbing quark the dominion invaded the alpha quadrant. And Yoshi needs changing. And my back hurts. ftfy
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Concerned Fan: "Hello yes, Star Trek Hotline? Thank you for taking my call. I'm concerned that DS9 may not have enough silly bullshit in it. What can I do to ensure..." Star Trek Hotline: "Rumpelstiltskin!"
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Sep 4, 2015 21:34
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Not tonight Miles, I haven't seen you in six months
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Sep 4, 2015 21:42
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shadow puppet of a posted:Star Trek Hotline pretty good username
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Sep 4, 2015 21:42
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Monkey Fracas posted:OK I'm done running through Twin Peaks so I'm finally gonna watch DS9 I think at least one or two Twin Peaks actors guest star on DS9, if that helps.
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Tiberius Christ posted:Not tonight Miles, I haven't seen you in six months Literally the most heartwrenching scene in the show. O'Brien has got to be backed up for days. If he isn't loving Bashir on the side, the man's balls must be bluer than those weird blue aliens who show up all the time.
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