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Stereotype posted:Are they seriously arguing that she actually did comply with the court order? Or that the court order was invalid because she disagrees with it? I think they're going to go for the I'm rubber, you're glue defense. Samurai Sanders posted:From her arguments it sounds like she thinks the government's power is entirely derived from her own personal God. If you think of it that way than it all makes sense. Which is about a fart's distance away from being a straight up sovereign citizen.
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Dalael posted:I wonder how she'd feel if a muslim (fanatic or extremist (not moderate)) guy refused to give her a driving license at the DMV based on his religious belief that woman shouldn't be driving. I'm sure she'd nod, apologize for trying to breach his religious right and then go on her merry way without ever driving ever again. I know exactly how she'd feel. e: hahaha 
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Does this mean she could find herself in Federal prison for contempt? Possibly, Rule 42 is very clear that statutory limits on imprisonment, fines or other punishments do not apply to Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure 42 §402 posted:contempts committed in disobedience of any lawful writ, process, order, rule, decree, or command entered in any suit or action brought or prosecuted in the name of, or on behalf of, the United States. Theoretically she could be held in federal custody until she is no longer the clerk.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Does this mean she could find herself in Federal prison for contempt? Nah, you don't get tossed in a prison proper unless you're tried for something, convicted, and sentenced to do so. She'll just be held in a regular old jail until she complies or maybe someone (the state legislature or whatever) somehow caves and arranges some compromise.
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Samurai Sanders posted:From her arguments it sounds like she thinks the government's power is entirely derived from her own personal God. If you think of it that way than it all makes sense. Not only will she be found in contempt of a Federal court, any lawyer taking up this nonsense will be disbarred. This is going to be magical. 
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zoux posted:e: hahaha
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Samurai Sanders posted:Oh that Trump, always throwing Christians in jail. It's cause he said on the issue "We're a nation of laws".
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Nintendo Kid posted:In an 8-1 decision, the supreme court has ruled that Kim Davis is dumb as hell. 
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zoux posted:I know exactly how she'd feel. It actually might be the best way to make america great again
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Only Bobby Jindal has the courage to stand up to the government in the name of Personal Jesus. reach out and touch faith mow mow na now mow mow
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zoux posted:It's cause he said on the issue "We're a nation of laws".
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Just spitballing here, but have we actually tried throwing all the christians in jail? Maybe Trump's onto something. We should should at least not rule it out.
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So she was supposed to issue marriage licenses to gay couples by supreme court ruling, and is now appealing her refusal to do so to the supreme court....what's the juris expression for "did I stutter?"
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OAquinas posted:So she was supposed to issue marriage licenses to gay couples by supreme court ruling, and is now appealing her refusal to do so to the supreme court....what's the juris expression for "did I stutter?" She's not appealing to SCOTUS yet that was just hilarious editorializing on my part as well as a cautionary tale in not reading posted articles before commenting on them.
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ReidRansom posted:Just spitballing here, but have we actually tried throwing all the christians in jail? Maybe Trump's onto something. We should should at least not rule it out. Or possibly never throwing any christians in jail ever again for any reason?? Lots of good ideas here!! I think Jindal might be right on this one and we should abolish laws and jails.
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zoux posted:It's cause he said on the issue "We're a nation of laws". Obviously this ain't it, but it'd really be perfect if what ultimately causes Trump's downfall is him expressing an opinion that is both genuinely sane and genuinely conservative
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LGD posted:Obviously this ain't it, but it'd really be perfect if what ultimately causes Trump's downfall is him expressing an opinion that is both genuinely sane and genuinely conservative He also said he wouldn't void the Iran deal because you can't just tear up contracts because "life doesn't work that way".
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Trump is going to lose the election because he isn't crazy and irrational enough
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Stereotype posted:Trump is going to lose the election because he isn't crazy and irrational enough
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Stereotype posted:Trump is going to lose the election because he isn't crazy and irrational enough He was, but then he killed his campaign by signing that pledge.
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If we can say that jackass was thrown in jail because she is a christian and not because she was a government official refusing to follow lawful court orders, then we ought to be assigning more adverse behavior to christian religious beliefs. I bet a lot of the mass shooters were baptized as one form of Christian as a baby, that's good enough. (This is how a lot of the world works when discussing violence in the Muslim world - never mind the secular political or social conflict, it's definitely Islam  )
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OAquinas posted:So she was supposed to issue marriage licenses to gay couples by supreme court ruling, and is now appealing her refusal to do so to the supreme court....what's the juris expression for "did I stutter?" because she thinks she is the brave underdog against the satanic gays. and that all the justices will be brought to tears by here plight and the scourging of the browns and devients can begin or some poo poo like that.
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Mulva posted:He was, but then he killed his campaign by signing that pledge. what if he signed it just so he could break it later... whoa
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Scalia! 8-1s are usually Thomas role playing a judge from the 1840s.
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hobbesmaster posted:8-1s are usually Thomas role playing a judge from the 1840s. But in this case the dissenting justice will be RBG, because (a) she knows that there will be a majority ruling for contempt anyway, and (b) gotta be unpredictable and keep motherfuckers on their toes.
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The Real Foogla posted:what if he signed it just so he could break it later... Hurts him more, especially now that the others can really go after him. He really was better off being non-commital.
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The Real Foogla posted:what if he signed it just so he could break it later... 
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Impeach, IMO.
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It's still weird to see a president that doesn't look totally terrified and confused by kids after 8 years of Bush.
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Joementum posted:Impeach, IMO. 
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hobbesmaster posted:8-1s are usually Thomas role playing a judge from the 1840s. White?
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zoux posted:I know exactly how she'd feel. "Hey, Bobby, you can't make America Great Again (TM) by being a non-polling little pissbitch." loving A, they write themselves!!!!
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You may remember this from 2007: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA9KC8SMu3o And obviously, that was just talk and he never did anything remotely close However, today in Cedar Rapids Bernie Sanders did briefly join in the picket line with protesting workers Video embedded in tweet Interesting times.
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I think they should just tell the Kentucky court clerk that every gay couple she marries have promised to convert to Christianity and get baptized and if she tries to check up on them tell her it's none of her business. Problem solved.
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Ohtsam posted:So does this mean legality in Kansas is a game of calvinball now. Can the legislature just write a bunch of blatantly unconstitutional laws and have the executive enforce them with no possible recourse for those affected as long the courts remain defunded? The federal courts still work and striking down unconstitutional law is something they can and will happily do against a state that's attacking the judiciary. zoux posted:oh ho ho ho Death by guillotine is too good for some people. Absurd Alhazred posted:Does this mean she could find herself in Federal prison for contempt? We aren't nearly that lucky.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Oh god I love this world we now live in. Up until the point where we discover just what kind of frothing eldritch lunatic it takes to get the nomination.
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Internet Webguy posted:I think they should just tell the Kentucky court clerk that every gay couple she marries have promised to convert to Christianity and get baptized and if she tries to check up on them tell her it's none of her business. Problem solved. Or just introduce her to a happily gay married Christian couple from her local Lutheran church.
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Since Kim Davis is being held in contempt of court from a federal judge, is there any chance she could get charged with a felony if she continues to ignore the court order? The irony of a right wing "Jesus warrior" being banned from voting (or owning a gun) would be pretty amazing, but I'm assuming that she won't face any more serious consequences than the current jail stint.
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