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Angela Christine posted:Then no one else ever gets pregnant again. Except in that ep where Harry fucks Tom's/Kes daughter. Tom and Kim, the ship's cock hounds, zone in on the only females that only live for 10 years. On a 76 year journey.
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First ep of DS9 was good, balanced introducing characters and setting up the show with some 5th dimensional weird poo poo Awesome
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Monkey Fracas posted:First ep of DS9 was good, balanced introducing characters and setting up the show with some 5th dimensional weird poo poo I like the part where Sisko realizes he can't be both an objective Starfleet captain and the Emissary to/from the Prophets, so he resigns his commision and becomes a full time diplomat.
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Angela Christine posted:I like the part where Sisko realizes he can't be both an objective Starfleet captain and the Emissary to/from the Prophets, so he resigns his commision and becomes a full time diplomat. See, that conflict of interest remains a constant in sisko's storyline over the series' trajectory. whereas if ds9 got the voyager treatment it would have been totally ignored barring a single episode in the first season
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Angela Christine posted:I like the part where Sisko realizes he can't be both an objective Starfleet captain and the Emissary to/from the Prophets, so he resigns his commision and becomes a full time diplomat. yeah part of that is sisko doesnt really happily go along with the whole emissary thing for awhile, hes reluctant and isnt gonna resign his commission over something hes not even sure he believes in (they are just wormhole aliens), and by the time he accepts his role the dominion war is starting and hes an experienced combat officer so 
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TEAYCHES posted:they wouldnt let ron moore get anywhere near voyager and he was highly critical of it. heres a great, extremely long interview about it, really great behind the scenes how the sausage is made kinda poo poo " I don’t really care for where the franchise is now, where it’s going. It’s not about anything. It feels to me that it is a very content-free show. It’s not really speaking to the audience on any real level anymore. What’s happening is that it’s very superficial. It talks a good game. It talks about how it’s about deep social problems, and how it’s about sociological issues, and that it’s very relevant. It’s about exploration, and it’s about the unknown, and all these cute catch phrases, but scratch the surface of that and there is really not much underneath it all. VOYAGER doesn’t really believe in anything. The show doesn’t have a point of view that I can discern. It doesn’t have anything really to say. I truly believe it simply is just wandering around the galaxy. It doesn’t even really believe in its own central premise, which is to me its greatest flaw." this is good e: Moore laughs, "What is the difference really between Voyager and the rest of the fleet? When that ship comes home, it will blend right in. You won’t even know the difference. They haven’t personalized the ship in any way. It’s still the same kind of bare metal, military look that it had at the beginning. If you were trapped on that ship and making your way home, for years on end, wouldn’t you put something up on the walls? Would you put a plant or two somewhere in a corridor? Wouldn’t you try to make it a little more livable? That is the challenge that I think they have really dropped. They just won’t deal with the reality of the situation that ship is in. They look for stylistic twists, and ways to make the show interesting visually, and up the action quotient, and up the sex quotient. But that’s not the problem. If you can’t believe in your own premise, you then certainly can’t take the next step and try to have a point of view about life, about what it means to be human: what is the nature of the human heart, and good and evil, all of the great questions that STAR TREK is famous for trying to grapple with in a science fiction context. When VOYAGER tries to go there it is so completely superficial that it doesn’t mean anything. Even when they are trying to really mine something, it’s undercut by the fact that nothing else surrounding it is real, and that you can’t accept these people in the positions and what they are doing. " Ambrose Burnside fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Sep 5, 2015 |
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MikeJF posted:Except later on they do have to and they pick basically the worst person on the ship to be the child carer. What are you talking about? Neelix had more experience with children than anyone else on the ship. 
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Monkey Fracas posted:some 5th dimensional weird poo poo
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2nd episode: Killing your own clone is still murder! lol this is great I love it
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Monkey Fracas loves it and they're only on the first schap. Amazing. Allamarazing. Wait, I think you have your episode order wrong. The second episode isn't highly expendable people, its the disappointing Mr. Tana Los. If you are skipping eps you are making a big mistake. shadow puppet of a fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Sep 5, 2015 |
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Monkey Fracas posted:2nd episode: Which is kind of hilarious because I think the TNG crew murdered the gently caress out of their own clones a few times. Monkey Fracas posted:First ep of DS9 was good, balanced introducing characters and setting up the show with some 5th dimensional weird poo poo If it's your first watch I'll say this: The first season has a lot of eps that feel like you could just rename them and stick them on TNG; the 2nd season has less of these, and the 3rd season almost abolishes them. After that, it's really it's own thing with a firm identify of it's own. Ambrose Burnside posted:i'd say that ds9 didn't "find its feet" overall tone-wise until the ~third season by the standards ds9 is usually held to, sure, but on rewatching it now im surprised at how strong a showing it has out the gate. tng had no idea what it was trying to do for the first season and the second is still very shaky, whereas ds9 is way more confident with the material. eps like Run Along Home might not have been what the series became about but its still a far better and more confident showing than any of tng's first season stuff. like, duet, holy fuckin poo poo is that some excellent star trek, and its one of the very first clear characterizations of the bajoran occupation in the entire series He's not wrong though, it's worth going from season 1 up (even with a few early misfires) because while it's mixing in TNG stuff, it ALSO is builting the mythology that impacts the rest of the series. If you skip anything.. just skip Move Along Home. All the Bajorian stuff and the major players there get established all the way back in Season 1 including, as mentioned, Garak. ... By the way, I am impressed Garak stayed awesome right until the end. Usually characters like that get overplayed when they get ramped up, and when their mysterious questions are answered, they're disappointing. Everything they answered (or didn't answer) about Garak lived up to expectations and the more he was in the show, the more awesome he got. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Sep 5, 2015 |
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Sep 5, 2015 21:42
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Someone in the previous thread said to skip the Ferengi episodes. Doing this will deprive you of Liquidator Brunt and The Magnificent Ferengi, which is chalk-full of Ferengi and is probably the most fun episode of the entire series.
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Sep 5, 2015 21:56
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brunt owns, jeffrey combs owns
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Best to skip Profit & Lace, and maybe the last Mirror episode if you count that. The rest are at least watchable and occasionally brilliant. The episode with the rival casino and the one where Quark gets into the arms business are underrated favourites.
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Sep 5, 2015 22:08
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Skip the one where Jake gets molested by that space molester woman. Its creepy.
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Ambrose Burnside posted:i enjoyed that bit b/c its well established in star trek that nebulae damage a starship's hull/have some other deleterious effects that always without fail prevents people from hiding in them for very long. centuries away from the nearest starfleet drydock and she's endangering the ship for some fuckin coffee There wasn't literally coffee inside the nebula. They needed energy to power their systems. One of those systems was the replicator.
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shadow puppet of a posted:Skip the one where Jake gets molested by that space molester woman. Its creepy. Yeah, wow, that episode sort of just ends with everything hunky dory but it feels like Jake should have had some kind of...long-term damage from that? Also, that episode is probably the most Doctor Who DS9 gets, and it has quite a few Doctor Who-like episodes.
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Another creepy episode is the one where the Defiant crew finds that planet filled with their own descendants from an alternate timeline, where they crash on that planet and go back 200 years so they can't escape so that Kira dies and they all start loving or some poo poo. Creepy because of the alternate timeline Odo. He goes onto the Defiant to find Kira, whom he hasn't seen in 200 years, and within 2 seconds he announces OH HEY KIRA YOU'RE HOT AND I'M IN LOVE WITH YOU AND WANT TO SHOVE MY AMORPHOUS, GELATINOUS DICK DEEP INSIDE YOU And Kira just sort of stands there like  What the gently caress, Star Trek
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That was an OK ep aside from the "Klingons" being sad sack. And that was inline with Odo's obsessive nature. Could one even calculate how many hours Odo spent as a cup being sucked on by Morn or some gross freighter captain in the faint hopes of catching Quark skirting a Bajoran gooseberry import tariff?
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That one good Enterprise episode, where they went to a Western planet. drat that was good. It was like a TOS episode but good.
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Germstore posted:That one good Enterprise episode, where they went to a Western planet. drat that was good. It was like a TOS episode but good. Yeah it was a really solid ep, it's a shame the rest of the series is completely unlike it
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Harveygod posted:Someone in the previous thread said to skip the Ferengi episodes. Doing this will deprive you of Liquidator Brunt and The Magnificent Ferengi, which is chalk-full of Ferengi and is probably the most fun episode of the entire series. the ferengi stuff is often straight-up great, which is very surprising given, u know, everything even. like. the one where nog agitates the bar into unionizing and quotes marx at quark (lmao) is p dang good and nobody even thinks of that one
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shadow puppet of a posted:That was an OK ep aside from the "Klingons" being sad sack. And that was inline with Odo's obsessive nature. Could one even calculate how many hours Odo spent as a cup being sucked on by Morn or some gross freighter captain in the faint hopes of catching Quark skirting a Bajoran gooseberry import tariff? Oh and then there's the part where Odo The other Odo was locked in a can the whole episode, so the alternate timeline Odo surprise fucks himself and gives the other Odo 200 years of memories of himself obsessing over Kira for some reason. Oh and then he sabotages the ship so that it will disrupt the timeline and kill all 8,000 colonists because KIRA. Star Trek is weird.
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Germstore posted:That one good Enterprise episode, where they went to a Western planet. drat that was good. It was like a TOS episode but good. Best part is Malcolm's "pop quiz, hotshot" resolution to a hostage crisis.
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Germstore posted:That one good Enterprise episode, where they went to a Western planet. drat that was good. It was like a TOS episode but good. I personally hate episodes like that in scifi. It just screams 'Hey guys we could save a whole lot of cash if we made them cowboys/romans/nazis and rented the costumes!". It ruined Andromeda for example.
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happyhippy posted:I personally hate episodes like that in scifi. That was essentially the marketing pitch to the studio for the original Star Trek. Andromeda is a good example of a show strangled quickly by studio meddling and to a lesser extent the lead's ego. Arguably it was never good, but it was killed in the crib before getting the same chance to improve that other shows got.
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Tighclops posted:Yeah it was a really solid ep, it's a shame the rest of the series is completely unlike it It was ok, but the best one by far was the mirror universe 2 parter.
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Kenzie posted:Oh and then there's the part where Odo Do you remember the other, other Odo that wanted to The Odo species are the most hosed up people.
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The Klingons pulled their knives on him because he was mist, which they found offensive, and attempted to stab him. Then the klingons, who regularly fight each other to the death over untied shoelaces as a matter of honor, tried to rules lawyer an extradition because he was "surrounding them in a menacing way."
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Quark is like "Constable we're at war with your people, it's not the time for a changling pride parade on the promenade" But I'd settle for a Bajoran man and a Klingon hunk dueling tongues at the Dabo wheel with Starfleet officers looking on approvingly while Bajoran clerics hang themselves from the upper level
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counterfeitsaint posted:The Klingons pulled their knives on him because he was mist, which they found offensive, and attempted to stab him. Then the klingons, who regularly fight each other to the death over untied shoelaces as a matter of honor, tried to rules lawyer an extradition because he was "surrounding them in a menacing way." Don't worry they have an ancient ritual for that. They have am ancient ritual for everything.
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Kitchner posted:Don't worry they have an ancient ritual for that. Even waste extraction "Kahless I serve up this warrior turd for you, in the name of Mogh, house of my ancestors. May its strength sustain you and its stench inspire. Glory to you and your bowels
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Figaro posted:Even waste extraction "Honey, the O'Briens want to know of we are still free for lunch on Saturday? " "drat IT WOMEN! DO NOT TALK TO ME WHILE I'M POOPING!"
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You know not to follow a Klingon into a toilet when he walks in with a Bat'leth under his arm.
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" Essentially what was the point of this entire series? It’s a wasted opportunity. That’s what pisses me off. You are not really taking advantage of this golden opportunity that you are handed as writers and as producers. You can do so much with STAR TREK. It is such a broad, flexible canvas. If DEEP SPACE NINE proved nothing else, it proves just how far you can take this series, and how far you can take the franchise. It can look totally different. It can be serialized, and it can be a war show, and it can do stuff about religion and politics, and it can be interesting and engrossing, and gray and ambiguous. You don’t have to turn VOYAGER into DEEP SPACE NINE to take advantage of the fact that those opportunities exist. You just have to have the courage to do it. They are not speaking to me. They don’t have anything to say anymore." ol ron moore was hella on point here
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"Now," says Ron Moore about STAR TREK, "you do another series or another movie, the attitude is, ‘Oh God, another one?’ That is wrong. Why feed into that public perception? I just don’t know any reason to do it. It doesn’t even serve Paramount’s long-term financial goals, in my opinion. If the studio really wants this thing to last for another thirty or forty years, they should look down the line further than just next year’s profits. They should take a longer term view and say, ‘We should let this rest for awhile. Let it go away; let it percolate down through the popular culture, and let it find its way to a whole new crop of fans.’ People are going to watch these shows in syndication forever. They are going watch the movies on video forever, and they are going to watch them on the Internet soon. Eventually they are going to be saying, ‘drat. When are they going to put out one of those STAR TREKs?’ They’ll start a letter writing campaigns, and they’ll get nostalgic for DEEP SPACE NINE eventually; they’ll get nostalgic for VOYAGER. You’ll get this, ‘Remember when there were two STAR TREK series on the air?’ People will forget, and they will want to see it again. All they have to do is wait, and then start fresh, and then take advantage of the opportunities, and reinvent the series." ... we hosed up 
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I'm just going to throw this idea out there. Tell me what you think. Its a little bold, a little underbaked. But its also big. It could have legs, it could hit all four market demographic quadrants and even find a fifth. It could sell seven seasons straight through to the foreign markets. It could be a hit. Its a little idea, I call, "Deep Space... Ten".
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yea seriously if you havent read that ron moore interview do so its utterly fascinating that hes so open about the inner workings of the production. dude doesnt get invited to rick berman's parties i can guarantee that
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TEAYCHES posted:yea seriously if you havent read that ron moore interview do so its utterly fascinating that hes so open about the inner workings of the production. dude doesnt get invited to rick berman's parties i can guarantee that It also shows so many seeds of Battlestar Galactica.
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