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Heresiarch posted:comments are appreciated
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Sep 7, 2015 08:39
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Are you planning to have a section that crushes the argument that Bitcoin is somehow more efficient than modern payment processing? It seems to get brought up a lot by bitcoiners who don't really understand how bitcoin works, and it seems to be the primary driver behind taking money from gullible venture capitalists, yet it's pretty obviously wrong
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Sep 7, 2015 08:48
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heresiarch, i know you're focusing more on the bitcoiners actively scamming/getting scammed, and we don't know what else you have planned, but i think it's worth a mention that not only do bitcoin users have no recourse for the things you mentioned, they're also hosed if they type the transaction amount incorrectly
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Sep 7, 2015 10:04
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Heresiarch posted:so you make good words and i like them Heresiarch posted:i am not interested in generating a discussion with this book, i just want to entertain people. counter-arguments will be roundly ignored and the intro will probably have a part in it that says "if you think this book is unfair or inaccurate, please feel free to write your own" good, because defensively writing against known idiotic arguments just for the sake of completeness sounds boring as heck. if adding the word "decentralized" seriously sways the reader's opinion on a thing then they're prob not your target audience
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Sep 7, 2015 10:06
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that was a good read Heresiarch  keep it up! 
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Sep 7, 2015 10:10
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jony ive aces posted:back in the shameful internet days i for jony ive aces, they were the shameful internet days of yore. but for yospos, they were poik007 posted:that was a good read Heresiarch 
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Sep 7, 2015 10:25
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Dex posted:you make good words and i like them
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Sep 7, 2015 12:15
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theflyingorc posted:Because their price is not connected to anything in a meaningful way Not true, any time anyone dumps more than a few hundred the price plummets until the exchange mysteriously goes down for a while, then slowly creeps back up. edit: Good work Heresiarch. I'd lose the bit about Trump, since that dates it to what's hopefully a fairly brief period of political history, and isn't really relevant to the main point. Strawman fucked around with this message at 12:46 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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Sep 7, 2015 12:43
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Dongsturm posted:It's great! When are you planning to introduce the names of the notorious? You could mention a few more of them here, to keep the reader interested. When you mention scams you could introduce pirateat40, when you talk about exchanges, Mt Gox, etc. People want to read examples, include as many as you can. Agree with adding examples and introducing characters. Naming names would lend the narrative some weight when it introduces the scammers and libertarians. Hopefully this could be done in a way such that it doesn't weigh down the narrative with excessive detail.
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Sep 7, 2015 13:17
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Dren posted:Agree with adding examples and introducing characters. Naming names would lend the narrative some weight when it introduces the scammers and libertarians. Hopefully this could be done in a way such that it doesn't weigh down the narrative with excessive detail. careful to not open yourself to libel, ver and co are scummy fucks but only a few idiots like shrem and shavers have been convicted of crimes.
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Sep 7, 2015 13:31
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Pocket posted:careful to not open yourself to libel, ver and co are scummy fucks but only a few idiots like shrem and shavers have been convicted of crimes. roger ver convicted federally and loving it. never forget
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Sep 7, 2015 13:43
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Since naming names is being discussed I'd stay away from from naming and shaming the sadder suckers of the bitcoin world. Pointing and laughing in a thread is fine in a place like this but doesn't come across as well in a book. Pointing out the repeat "entrepreneurs" though I am fully behind.
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Sep 7, 2015 13:49
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Munin posted:Since naming names is being discussed I'd stay away from from naming and shaming the sadder suckers of the bitcoin world. Pointing and laughing in a thread is fine in a place like this but doesn't come across as well in a book. Logansryche is worth hinting at because he's the exact type of idiot bitcoin hurts, but i wouldn't use his actual username
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Sep 7, 2015 14:21
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my only fear is that heresiarch's book will be too short. 
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Sep 7, 2015 15:23
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I am absolutely certain that Bitcoin's algorithm will be broken before the block payouts stop in 2140.QuarkJets posted:Are you planning to have a section that crushes the argument that Bitcoin is somehow more efficient than modern payment processing? It seems to get brought up a lot by bitcoiners who don't really understand how bitcoin works, and it seems to be the primary driver behind taking money from gullible venture capitalists, yet it's pretty obviously wrong it's less that they don't understand bitcoin, and more that they have absolutely no clue how modern payment processing works. half of them seem like their only experience with the banking system is the child's savings passbook account their mom set up for them
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Sep 7, 2015 15:30
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Nintendo Kid posted:I am absolutely certain that Bitcoin's algorithm will be broken before the block payouts stop in 2140. considering that hashing as a concept is only around 40 years old and several hashing algorithms have already been broken, i agree.
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Sep 7, 2015 15:37
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jony ive aces posted:also maybe preempt any counter-arguments with the ponzi thing by acknowledging one way in which it's different - bitcoin is a Heresiarch posted:i am not interested in generating a discussion with this book, i just want to entertain people. counter-arguments will be roundly ignored and the intro will probably have a part in it that says "if you think this book is unfair or inaccurate, please feel free to write your own" isn't the decentralized nature of the ponzi scheme important precisely because it's an emergent feature of bitcoin? that's why you call it the ripoff engine, after all
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Sep 7, 2015 15:40
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also the buttcoin civil war continuesquote:[META] What happened to /u/gavinandresen's expert flair? (self.Bitcoin)
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Sep 7, 2015 15:43
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Herman Merman posted:also the buttcoin civil war continues lol
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Sep 7, 2015 15:46
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Heresiarch posted:comments are appreciated i'm currently testing a reduced pill loadout candidate so i'm a bit fuzzy, but what i'm able to grasp is very good as mentioned be very wary about talking about specific people, as much as i'd like to see a who's who of the bitcoin world doing so would attract the attention of a bunch of nouveau-riche sociopaths as an alternative, i'd talk about projects and products, of which there's a whole bunch a minor point, my general feeling is that bitcoin wasn't co-opted after the fact by libtards, they were there at the very beginning, although there might've been a radicalization of the core community as time went by, which is why satoshi bailed imo (the whole gavin/fbi thing along with idiots trying to step in front of the wikileaks law enforcement bus) another bit you can go on about is the environmental impacts of bitcoin, but be careful not to go down this path if you can't back your assertions with solid math. of interest is the fact that within 30 days of the white paper the environmental issues of bitcoin were brought up: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.encryption.general/12823 some old stuff for you to search if it helps: http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.encryption.general http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/bitcoin-list/
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Sep 7, 2015 15:51
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CommunistPancake posted:If SHA256 or ECDSA were broken the effects would be a lot larger and a lot more important than Bitcoin. There are going to be bigger problems to deal with than the loss of your BitCoins. This is true, but it's worth noting that even if the encryption algorithm itself is rock solid, the implementation can be flawed. Take wifi WEP encryption for example - everyone knows WEP is a complete joke due to the flaws in its security, but the actual underlying encryption method is still perfectly valid, they just screwed up in how it was used
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Sep 7, 2015 16:12
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words good would buy words also like examples and case studies and names of people
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Sep 7, 2015 16:22
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if I recall correctly, Satoshi's last communications happened right as the libertarians found bitcoin. as soon as he realized that these idiots joined the club, he got the gently caress out. Also, definitely please highlight the fact that US Banks suck poo poo compared to the rest of the world for person-to-person transfers, to the point where bitcoin could actually appear somewhat useful if someone is only familiar with the US, (but only if they got banned form Paypal for being a scammer).
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Sep 7, 2015 16:26
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seconding that I liked, would buy, etc. bitcoin was a libtard enterprise from the beginning, starting with some core developers. then the drug buyers came in, then the get rich quick crowd followed after it started rising. also recommend removing the trump bit. making fun of libertarians is hilarious but otherwise avoid injecting politics into it, it accomplishes nothing but detracting from a funny story about butts. finally, if I may make a suggestion about style. sentences like "This worked out pretty much like you’d expect it to" (you have a few others like it) work well for people like you and I, who have already considered the consequences of bitcoins and know the outcome. for the reader who is new to the material, a better way to do it is to be specific about how it went and leave them with a hook wanting to read more about how it got there.
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Sep 7, 2015 16:36
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Heresiarch posted:so this is beautiful, you are beautiful Ghostlight posted:some might even say i was one of them. he left a furious and incoherent message on my ex's answering machine once. he never managed to track me down directly though, which kind of disappoints me
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Sep 7, 2015 16:42
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please make one chapter simply be Maria Theresa tia
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Sep 7, 2015 16:43
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FCKGW posted:please make one chapter simply be Maria Theresa tia
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Sep 7, 2015 16:44
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jony ive aces posted:back in the shameful internet days i authored a couple of encyclopedia dramatica articles (sup killhamster i hated when people would do that poo poo because it always ended up looking like 4chan projectile diarrhea. my goal was always trashy yellow journalism garbage, not lolrandom dicks dicks dicks garbage
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) and always hated it when more established users would edit them to make them "funnier"
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here's a forward for youquote:Has anyone said Buttcoin yet? please get a Creative Commons license to use this
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Sep 7, 2015 16:53
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Heresiarch posted:i am not interested in generating a discussion with this book, i just want to entertain people. counter-arguments will be roundly ignored and the intro will probably have a part in it that says "if you think this book is unfair or inaccurate, please feel free to make the wiki"
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Sep 7, 2015 17:02
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thanks for all the quotes to the article i missed, this is some good poo poo heresiarch i'm gonna get this on my kindle and read it 2 minutes at a time while i poop over the month it comes out
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Sep 7, 2015 17:02
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heresiarch I am just a dumbshit mostly-lurker but this thread (and subforum) took a marked turn for the better once you returned so I have nothing intelligent to say beyond please keep writing this book and I will absolutely buy it, which is nothing new but hopefully it helps you in some way to keep hearing it
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Sep 7, 2015 17:06
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Strawman posted:I'd lose the bit about bitcoin, since that dates it to what's hopefully a fairly brief period of history
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Sep 7, 2015 17:07
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I thought satoshi left because Gavin did a powerpoint for the nsa
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Sep 7, 2015 17:20
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cia
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Sep 7, 2015 17:21
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Heresiarch - maybe you can incorporate the story about the dude who pretended to be a woman on stripperweb, trying to get some converts i think it speaks volumes that a "true believer" can't even preach their own gospel without incorporating a few lies.
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Sep 7, 2015 18:21
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Nintendo Kid posted:I am absolutely certain that Bitcoin's algorithm will be broken before the block payouts stop in 2140. i'll give this post to my children, so that their children can verify if you're right or not.
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Sep 7, 2015 18:39
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trucutru posted:i'll give this post to my children, so that their children can verify if you're right or not. the block chain will make us all immoral within the next few decades
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Boxturret posted:the block chain will make us all immoral within the next few decades
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