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Saw posted:Heresiarch - maybe you can incorporate the story about the dude who pretended to be a woman on stripperweb, trying to get some converts oh poo poo I forgot about this didnt he call down a torrent of stripper-rage upoin himself
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Boxturret posted:the block chain will make us all immoral within the next few decades
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bertolt rekt posted:oh poo poo I forgot about this not really - they pointed out he's wrong, and dumb, so he raged the gently caress out at vapid whores who don't know anything about business, then got banned that mirceau dude pulled a similar stunt like a year later
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Sep 7, 2015 19:23
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it was great because they always went in with this "i will explain the wonders of bitcoin to these simple females" attitude
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lots of posts, lots of useful comments, thank you everybody even if i didn't reply directly in general i am not going to be addressing any bitcoiner arguments directly unless i can make it funny, interesting, and obvious. part of what i'm aiming for is a casual "you can already see why this is stupid" tone, where i am basically bringing the reader in on the joke. i'm not preaching, i'm sharing the laughs, because i'm assuming the intelligence of the reader also, there will lots of names. pirate, karples, ver, there's going to be parts about most of these folks, but only the ones where i have good documentation. if i don't have good sources there won't be names, just the story, and i will never be naming any victims even if i tell part of their story (i.e. logansryche) libertarians were there from the beginning to one degree or another, yes. i should change the word "influx" to "presence" or something, because the point is not "the libertarians showed up later" but rather "the huge number of libertarians involved in the bitcoin community from the start provided a large poop of easy marks" the trump thing is in there because it's part of why libertarians flocked to bitcoin, their message has been co-opted by the american right but they themselves have no power or voice. i am reconsidering whether to keep it, and i may still do so, but i'm thinking about it anthonypants, i honestly forgot the "greater fool" term and i absolutely need to work it in somewhere JaysonAych, i need to add that you can gently caress up the transaction amount, yes if this was a video game then maria theresa would be an easter egg but i can't do that even with an ebook so thanks again for everybody's feedback
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Boxturret posted:it was great because they always went in with this "i will explain the wonders of bitcoin to these simple females" attitude the first few pages i read always had him saying please and thank you and That's a good question! just real saccharine agreeableness to every interaction i couldn't stand to keep reading to where they hand him his rear end in economics
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Saw posted:Heresiarch - maybe you can incorporate the story about the dude who pretended to be a woman on stripperweb, trying to get some converts he couldn't even remember from one post to the next if his fake girl name was sarah or sara
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Heresiarch posted:the trump thing is in there because it's part of why libertarians flocked to bitcoin, their message has been co-opted by the american right but they themselves have no power or voice. i am reconsidering whether to keep it, and i may still do so, but i'm thinking about it one thing i'll point out is that, for all we know, the trump saga could burn out and be largely forgotten in a few years, especially for non-american audiences, so you may want to make it more obvious that he's who you're talking about for a later generation of readers (feel free to quote this forever if trump is president elect 2016) that was definitely a great read and i would buy a book of that for sure
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remember that time that CARL MARK FORCE IV signed a message carl when he was pretending to be a woman
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Boxturret posted:the block chain will make us all immortal within the next few decades
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Sep 7, 2015 19:50
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Heresiarch please have all mentions of CARL MARK FORCE IV be written exactly like that
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dear heresiarch, i love you
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as evidenced by my depressive transgressions wherein I yelled at the void with blasι attempts at practiced verbosity and got the whole thread to hate me instead of ignoring my usual white noise din -- i suck at writing I've long wanted a well written explanation of the Bitcoin madness akin to the format of "extraordinary delusions and the madness of crowds" if anyone can pull it off its you Heresiarch
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Sep 7, 2015 19:57
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Boxturret posted:remember that time that CARL MARK FORCE IV signed a message carl when he was pretending to be a woman excuse me that was one of Carla Sophia's many boyfriends
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us white noise posters merely dream of achieving the well postured and precise opine of minds such as heresiarch
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what is the trump thing I went back and looked at it and couldn't find trump
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I want to read about the people who thought it was a good idea to participate in the literal, upfront ponzi schemes that are advertised on the bitcoin forums. To me that was the most poignant and direct example of stupidity from bitcoiners, except for maybe Ulbricht and his crimes diary. Oh also good job so far Heresiarch Mercury_Storm fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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Sep 7, 2015 20:10
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Mercury_Storm posted:I want to read about the people who thought it was a good idea to participate in the literal, upfront ponzi schemes that are advertised on the bitcoin forums. To me that was the most poignant and direct example of stupidity from bitcoiners, except for maybe Ulbricht and his crimes diary. i still can't believe that the bitcoin gem was a thing.
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Mercury_Storm posted:I want to read about the people who thought it was a good idea to participate in the literal, upfront ponzi schemes that are advertised on the bitcoin forums. To me that was the most poignant and direct example of stupidity from bitcoiners, except for maybe Ulbricht and his crimes diary.  I, a smart and handsome investor, can safely invest in this known Ponzi, because with my superior intelligence, I will for certain be in it early, and will see the collapse coming in time to sell to a stupid bagholder.later...  I lost all my money when it collapsed! The naysayers caused this to collapse early by speaking ill of the ponzi, because I could not possibly be a bagholder!
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Sep 7, 2015 20:42
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i too would fellate Heresiarch.
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pyf bitcoin stories itt
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Mercury_Storm posted:I want to read about the people who thought it was a good idea to participate in the literal, upfront ponzi schemes that are advertised on the bitcoin forums. To me that was the most poignant and direct example of stupidity from bitcoiners, except for maybe Ulbricht and his crimes diary. definitely this. especially the "at least they were honest about it" when it invariably steals their money.
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ponzichat reminds me of one time when I wandered into #bitcoin on IRC and someone told me with the utmost conviction that Pirate's Ponzi scam seemed legit and that there was no way to see it coming. also the guy who insisted paper wallets served the exact same purpose as insurance so the latter was not needed.
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honest ponzi is like that riddle where the gaoler said guess what idiot i'm gonna kill you one day this week and you won't know what day it's gonna be it's gonna be a surprise and the guy is like well it can't be the last day if i live that long that wouldn't be surprising at all, and so on, until he kicks back confident he can't logically be executed at all, and whoops he kills you on Wednesday and you were surprised as poo poo when your bitcoins flew away even though he loving told you he was going to do it
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Heresiarch posted:here's a preview of the short ebook i'm working on, after receiving so much encouragement, with the current working title of "The Ripoff Engine". this is chapter 2, the first chapter is about the creation of the bitcoin network and is considerably less snarky because i want to portray the breathless optimism of those early bitcoin pioneers, only to smash it in the face good good. One thing the RationalWiki article lacks is a more detailed catalogue of interesting scams. I mean, I thought Bruce Wagner was interesting, but hoo boy I've been following /r/buttcoin for about the past year and the poo poo that's come over the transom just in that time ... I think Bitcoin did in fact start as a libertarian pipe dream. It puts into technological form some of their more foolish and inchoate ideas. The thing is that it provides a worked example of all the incredibly obvious consequences of their stupidity. Preemptively answering the more common stupid bitcoiner arguments may be worth doing. The RW article has a few sentences that are there specifically to note and dismiss such without breaking the flow (such as it is) too badly (I hope).
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Heresiarch posted:going to have to put a four balls joke in there somewhere now i would call it a distributed pyramid scheme because a ponzi scheme usually has a central perpetrator, and as others have mentioned there are plenty of actual traditional ponzis that deserve mentioning the difference has practical consequences, a traditional ponzi collapses completely when the scammer is forced to admit there is nothing of value backing the shares up. no one can declare bitcoin bankrupt the important point is that every dollar gained is another person's dollar lost . the hypothetical value from facilitated trades is dwarfed by mining costs
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Heresiarch posted:a large poop of easy marks
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Wheany posted:considering that hashing as a concept is only around 40 years old and several hashing algorithms have already been broken, i agree. reminder that in academic cryptography, something is considered "broken" if it can be exploited in a mere trillion years rather than requiring longer than the remaining lifetime of the universe. most big crypt-related security panics come from one of two sources: either someone did the crypt wrong (e.g. the debian key generation fiasco), or the crypt primitives were poorly chosen (e.g. the cbc vulnerability behind the beast attack on ssl). the underlying algorithms in both cases remain perfectly secure. where an actual primitive is found to be weak, as with say sha1 and rc4, we generally know it's likely to be weak long before it becomes possible to attack it. and even where practical attacks exist, they often only permit certain things. e.g. a hash algorithm is considered broken if you can find any input that produces a given hash in less time than it would take to do so by just guessing. breaking sha256 like that would certainly be a huge deal and would force everyone to stop using sha256 asap; but in itself i don't think it would break bitcoin overnight, since to break bitcoin your input needs to meet other criteria as well as just matching a certain hash. (caveat: i have not bothered to study the cryptography of bitcoin and i don't actually know how it uses sha256). basically, i wouldn't put any money on bitcoin's primitives being broken before someone finds a flaw in the way bitcoin puts them together. or, more likely, everyone just forgets about bitcoin altogether.
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I wish I could find the btctalk thread where everyone was complaining that one of the ponzis shut down too early and they were considering labeling the whole thing a scam to begin with.
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I'm a mysterious chinese relic dealer and would like to buy a copy of that book
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blugu64 posted:I'm a mysterious chinese relic dealer and would like to buy a copy of that book well i'm an 80 year old horse trader and i'd like to buy one for my grandson
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Boxturret posted:well i'm an 80 year old horse trader and i'd like to buy one for my grandson lol, oh atlas, too smart for this circadian rhythm goodnight x12 sweet prince
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Sham bam bamina! posted:YOSPOS > Bitcoin: a large poop of easy marks i don't know how i missed that goddamn autocorrect
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i fear that bitcoin laffs are running out of steam unless bitpay or coinbase blows up
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Heresiarch posted:i don't know how i missed that I thought it was intentional tbh
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agora hosed up some of the withdrawals in favor of their customersquote:Did anyone else get paid .. double? (self.AgMarketplace)
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A simple double spending tool (doublespend.me) submitted 21 hours ago by bitcointhailand  quote:[]bitcointhailand [S] 6 points 20 hours ago* naturally, it's javascript. also, no ssl.
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Heresiarch posted:in general i am not going to be addressing any bitcoiner arguments directly unless i can make it funny, interesting, and obvious. part of what i'm aiming for is a casual "you can already see why this is stupid" tone, where i am basically bringing the reader in on the joke. i'm not preaching, i'm sharing the laughs, because i'm assuming the intelligence of the reader i'd still go over the broad concepts like "there's a fixed and immutable supply" if only to mention the time an integer overflow created a million billion trillion bitcoins, followed by a 3 day rollback
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Magrov posted:A simple double spending tool (doublespend.me) um this sounds like it would actually work.
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unpacked robinhood posted:pyf bitcoin stories itt the first half of dank's work is p funny, but it's more about an idiot kid on the slow decent into drug abuse bfl anything is good, the whole pre-order business model, the foam pitchforks, the literal thousands of dollars per week of advertising expenses to theymos, even the weird shitshow of how they first hit the market inaba/josh anything but the treatment of customers in particular any number of micronation cash grabs auroracash dogecar that time roger ver tipped me a quarter i couldn't bruce anything, especially the phone (the pedoconference was funny but it'd be wandering dangerously into libel territory to print) roger ver's 325k gently caress you from dhs dorian and his trains bunch more i can't remember, i'm sure
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