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Egbert Souse posted:Plus, it gave us... Yeah but this was already possible and better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKxkZiNWaBs
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Are there any video essays in the vein of those "the problem with action movies today" videos that highlight good and bad uses of Voiceover in films. VO generally gets a bad wrap as a storytelling device and I always feel a bit dirty that a ton of my favorite movies have voiceover. I'm looking for something that highlights the difference between good and bad VO.
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xcore posted:Are there any video essays in the vein of those "the problem with action movies today" videos that highlight good and bad uses of Voiceover in films. Really? Most films I think of with considerable use of voice overs are excellent. Sure, there's some turkeys like the theatrical cut of Blade Runner and The Creeping Terror, but then there's Goodfellas, A Clockwork Orange, The Royal Tenenbaums, Double Indemnity, Ratatouille, The Tree of Life, Love and Death, etc.
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Usually when voiceover is bad it's because it was added in post because some exec was worried that people wouldn't understand the film if they werent told what the film is about by a voiceover and instead had to actually watch it. When the film is written with voiceover in mind it obviously works better than when it's crammed in to make everything idiot proof.
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I feel like you can't talk about voice-overs in film and not mention "Stranger Than Fiction".
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Everyone I know who's seen Family Business with Dustin Hoffman, Sean Connery and Matthew Broderick thought it was mediocre. Most people I know have never heard of it. I thought it was good fun and engaging even with all the stereotypes being thrown around. Am I totally out to lunch?
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I offered to help my father-in-law with a new class he's teaching "The bible and film." He's a pretty lefty professor at a religious university, and when he gave me the short-list of movies he was thinking of using I offered to help find more, as he's a bible scholar who really likes movies and I'm the son of an ex-preacher who LOVES movies. His only request was that I avoid films that are straight up adapations of the bible. He's really hoping to give his students an assigned movie and then telling them to find the biblical messages, or how they relate back to the bible in some way. I managed to put together what I thought was a decent list that crossed over several genres and decades, but I'm hoping you folks can help me add to it. This is what I have so far: Shawshank Redemption The Matrix (Even though 2 and 3 have more overt Christian themes the first one does that neat mix of eastern meets western philosophy. Also it doesn't suck.) The Lion King The Seventh Seal Eraserhead The Man Who Fell To Earth Superman (Reeves plus both reboots really.) Three Kings The Truman Show
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I feel like Eraser Head is such a polarizing and dense film on its own that trying to use it in a class about the Bible and Film would be counter-productive. Elysium (Jesus allegory, the meek shall in herit etc) The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe (Aslan is Jesus)
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Just for fun, throw in one movie that has no allegorical aspects and just let the students puzzle it out. Suggestion: Josie and the Pussycats
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Manifest posted:I offered to help my father-in-law with a new class he's teaching "The bible and film."
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Manifest posted:His only request was that I avoid films that are straight up adapations of the bible. He's really hoping to give his students an assigned movie and then telling them to find the biblical messages, or how they relate back to the bible in some way. Stalker Come and See Hellraiser The Last Temptation of Christ Monty Python's Life of Brian Pale Rider Through a Glass Darkly Winter Light The Silence The Rapture The Word AKA Ordet Viridiana
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Manifest posted:I offered to help my father-in-law with a new class he's teaching "The bible and film." Blade Runner?
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Jesus, are you guys who were so offended and appalled by the immorality of Mrs. Doubtfire and Forrest Gump also those people who are disgusted by Ferris Bueller's Day Off's celebration of an obvious manipulative sociopath? I'm hoping you're all just taking playful potshots at movies that are too saccharine for your tastes because otherwise I'm not sure how you all are able to walk with such huge sticks shoved so far up your asses.
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Snak posted:I feel like Eraser Head is such a polarizing and dense film on its own that trying to use it in a class about the Bible and Film would be counter-productive. quote:The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe (Aslan is Jesus) YES therattle posted:There Will Be Blood YESSSSSSS Zogo posted:Stalker YESSSSSSSSSSS Thanks. I'm gonna clean the list up and mail it over to him. You guys were super helpful.
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Snak posted:The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe (Aslan is Jesus) I feel like this almost breaks the 'avoid straight up adaptations' rule
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victorious posted:I feel like this almost breaks the 'avoid straight up adaptations' rule He's got a phd in the Old Testament, reads or speaks Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, Korean and English. This is the one movie I am 100% sure he knows is about Jesus. I gave it to him anyway though. Maybe extra credit for the slow kid or something. Oh poo poo! Barton Fink!
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Manifest posted:
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Where the hell is Robocop on that list?
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Mister Kingdom posted:Blade Runner? Tron!
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Tron: Legacy does a pretty good God & Satan story.
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Picking up on last page's Forrest Gump chat, does anyone feel that the romance in the movie would have a very different meaning to them if the Forrest character was a woman and Jenny was a man?
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I mean, pretty much any romance would have a very different meaning if the genders were switched, but, er, elaborate?
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marblize posted:I mean, pretty much any romance would have a very different meaning if the genders were switched, but, er, elaborate? It seems a hell of a lot skeezier of you have a normal functioning guy seduce a developmentally disabled girl.
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lizardman posted:Jesus, are you guys who were so offended and appalled by the immorality of Mrs. Doubtfire and Forrest Gump also those people who are disgusted by Ferris Bueller's Day Off's celebration of an obvious manipulative sociopath? Forrest Gump is satire, even if it's pretty drat subtle compared to its perception as a drama. Ferris Bueller is wish fulfillment for high schoolers. No father would pose as their children's nanny unless they were mentally ill. For gently caress's sake, Robin Williams' character tries to poison his ex-wife's boyfriend. Even as much of a poo poo Ferris is, he didn't try to murder someone.
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Tom Hanks also gets wrapped up in this with Big. He, a twelve-year old boy, fucks Elizabeth Perkins. Whereas Jennifer Garner never does more than kiss Mark Ruffalo in 13 Going on 30. In the actual context of the movie, though, I can't see it as an issue. Forrest served in the loving Vietnam War. He's earned the right to consent to being seduced by Robin Wright.
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Skwirl posted:It seems a hell of a lot skeezier of you have a normal functioning guy seduce a developmentally disabled girl. I've asked a few people that question outside of the forums and this seems to be the usual response. I mean it's pretty universally recognized that you shouldn't have a sexual relationship with someone who has a mental handicap.
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Sir Kodiak posted:Tom Hanks also gets wrapped up in this with Big. He, a twelve-year old boy, fucks Elizabeth Perkins. Whereas Jennifer Garner never does more than kiss Mark Ruffalo in 13 Going on 30. Yeah, watching Big and realizing that makes the last act really creepy. I would hope it was just sloppy writing rather than deliberate.
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Skwirl posted:It seems a hell of a lot skeezier of you have a normal functioning guy seduce a developmentally disabled girl. There's no real way to reverse the sexes and have the story be the same, though. Because what happens in Forrest Gump is that the non-disabled person is the one that gets pregnant. I mean, you could do a really interesting story where a developmentally disabled girl gets pregnant and has a kid but for some reason isn't interested in raising it and goes off to have her own adventures while the father raises it alone. But that's still not a reversal.
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cheerfullydrab posted:I mean it's pretty universally recognized that you shouldn't have a sexual relationship with someone who has a mental handicap. Ohhhhh, wait, are you getting into "double standard!!" territory?
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Egbert Souse posted:Forrest Gump is satire, even if it's pretty drat subtle compared to its perception as a drama. Pierce Brosnan says he's allergic to pepper, not that he's fatally allergic to it. I suppose you could say feeding someone a food that will make them have a reaction is poisoning, but it's not like he feed him arsenic.
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Snak posted:I mean, you could do a really interesting story where a developmentally disabled girl gets pregnant and has a kid but for some reason isn't interested in raising it and goes off to have her own adventures while the father raises it alone. Could it be directed by Todd Solondz? I'd watch that! marblize posted:Ohhhhh, wait, are you getting into "double standard!!" territory? Oh dear God no. I think that Forrest Gump is one of those movies that's so ingrained in the culture that it's hard for us to think about it critically, and the point of asking people about the genderswapped hypothetical is not to get into that shitswamp but to kind of take people out of their usual feelings and ideas about that movie. Like I said, most people I've asked think a normal Forrest and a handicapped Jenny makes their skin crawl. I don't think that's due to any "double standard!!!" but due to the fact that it is actually creepy as it is.
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Krazyface posted:Children of loving Men I wanted to recommend it, but didn't because I never saw biblical allegory in it. Tell me why I'm an idiot. marblize posted:Tree of Life? Niiiice
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If I Am Sam can get boinked and make a baby, Forrest Gump can too.
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Manifest posted:YESSSSSSSSSSS Some more: Constantine The Song of Bernadette Intolerance Chariots of Fire A Thief in the Night A Man for All Seasons Elmer Gantry The Apostle Flywheel Fireproof Quo Vadis
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Favorite "Jesus" movie: The Omega Man
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Armyman25 posted:Pierce Brosnan says he's allergic to pepper, not that he's fatally allergic to it. I suppose you could say feeding someone a food that will make them have a reaction is poisoning, but it's not like he feed him arsenic. It's his own fault for ordering loving Gumbo or whatever
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