iGestalt posted:

He can be a pervert and write well realized female characters, though. He's still a pervert who needlessly fixated certain elements of the singular female character in the game. His being Japanese has nothing to do with that assessment.

Neo Rasa posted:

No actually it was meant to be sexually exploitative. The legendary description of the Boss was to be "When you see the snake dance your death draws near," I think a somewhat similar line is still actually in the game. This was meant to be played up as a super foreboding message of death, but then you would see that it was instead a reference to how she would have a tattoo of a snake on her one naked boob that would bounce lot while she is firing heavy weaponry. Games are art.

Same thing with Quiet, all of his "regret your words and deeds" bluster was just lame justification for a cheesecake character.

There's NOTHING WRONG WITH HAVING a cheesecake hurr boobs are awesome character, at all. Just it's lame how many look at everything he does and assumes there's some super serious commentary about the nature of war or whatever. The guy loves tits, whatever.

The game does have some pretty heavy stuff to day (especially for a video game) but Quiet's design is not among them.

Under the vegetable posted:

you fixating on the idea that hideo kojima must by nature be a pervert, to the point where you attempt to intentionally mislead the people you're discussing the issue with while denying that this has any racial element at all is suspicious to me. sorry.

iGestalt posted:

You bought it up first by making the connection that 'Assuming he is a pervert' would mean fixation on him being Japanese.

Buschmaki posted:

A snake suckling at the Boss's breast, hmm, Kojima must just like titties.

Under the vegetable posted:

I'm not the first person to bring up the connection and this is a really sad way to argue. Nuh-uh! You though! Uh-uh!!

Drinkfist posted:

MGS 6

Good Lord Fisher! posted:

I love all these nerds complaining about not getting the promised depiction of Big Boss falling to evil, when the reveal + truth files spell out that he became evil exactly when it looked like he did (the end of Peace Walker).

iGestalt posted:

ThomasPaine posted:

Wait did one of the tapes in GZ not mention that Skull Face had Paz' kidneys etc taken out to fit the bomb in so she would only have lived for a few days either way?

Is that just ignored in TPP? I liked it as a plot point because it was a really visceral demonstration of how much of a poo poo XOF was.

Broken Cog posted:

Have you finished the Paz subplot?

Grizzled Patriarch posted:

Yeah, it's actually kind of neat that most players get so wrapped up in Big Boss' legend (just like half the characters in the series) that they become blind to the fact that he spends all of PW, GZ, and MGSV being a nuclear-equipped dictator that kidnaps children and soldiers to run an off-shore mercenary haven whose goal is perpetual conflict for profit and because they enjoy war. It's a pretty interesting metacommentary on people's ability to rationalize almost anything to themselves when they are the ones doing it.

Minorkos posted:

i don't want to touch the poop too much but i think maybe kojima likes a big booby and a big butt on a woman (and a man), but then maybe he also likes women on another level and likes to write cool lady characters like the boss and stuff.

Under the vegetable posted:

there are at least two other major female characters in the game with relevance to other games in the series and they're both well written, with emotional denouements to their stories, and not sexualized, so i don't appreciate your sexist erasure of women who don't support your goal of making an ideological point, thanks.

Panzeh posted:

I know it was some wonderful ironic commentary when the camera zoomed in on the mist snipers' tits as they walked onto the scene.

I'm gonna go 'ironically' call this homeless guy a dumb friend of the family.

lovely Wizard posted:

https://soundcloud.com/gboon/sets/youre-fired-and-more-cut-snake-dialogue

Here's another bunch of cut dialogue.

It sounds pretty good fun stuff too.

Under the vegetable posted:

Im absolutely ape poo poo loving retarded!

Mr. Fortitude posted:

I think Hideo Kojima gets way too much credit for his writing roles by the fans, frankly. He's not a good writer. The games which people consider to have good stories are the ones he co-wrote with Tomokazu Fukushima, who also wrote Ghost Babel on his own. MGS 4, PW and MGS V he had Shuyo Murata as a co-writer and all three games have been criticized for the story, although PW stands above MGS 4 and MGS V.

It's also worth noting that Hideo Kojima had some really dumb ideas for MGS 1, 2 and 3 and he had to be reigned in somewhat by Fukishima and the rest of the development team, whereas in 4, PW and V he more or less had free reign until Konami put their foot down.

Not that I'm saying Hideo Kojima is a hack or anything, he is good at coming up with cool ideas and directing scenes from his games. But I do think people attribute too much to him and it kind of went to his head a bit, especially when he goes on about how only the games he writes matter which is egotistical as hell, when games like Rising follow up on some plot elements Kojima himself abandoned.

Mr. Fortitude posted:

I think Hideo Kojima gets way too much credit for his writing roles by the fans, frankly. He's not a good writer. The games which people consider to have good stories are the ones he co-wrote with Tomokazu Fukushima, who also wrote Ghost Babel on his own. MGS 4, PW and MGS V he had Shuyo Murata as a co-writer and all three games have been criticized for the story, although PW stands above MGS 4 and MGS V.

It's also worth noting that Hideo Kojima had some really dumb ideas for MGS 1, 2 and 3 and he had to be reigned in somewhat by Fukishima and the rest of the development team, whereas in 4, PW and V he more or less had free reign until Konami put their foot down.

Not that I'm saying Hideo Kojima is a hack or anything, he is good at coming up with cool ideas and directing scenes from his games. But I do think people attribute too much to him and it kind of went to his head a bit, especially when he goes on about how only the games he writes matter which is egotistical as hell, when games like Rising follow up on some plot elements Kojima himself abandoned.

Mr. Fortitude posted:

I think Hideo Kojima gets way too much credit for his writing roles by the fans, frankly. He's not a good writer. The games which people consider to have good stories are the ones he co-wrote with Tomokazu Fukushima, who also wrote Ghost Babel on his own. MGS 4, PW and MGS V he had Shuyo Murata as a co-writer and all three games have been criticized for the story, although PW stands above MGS 4 and MGS V.

It's also worth noting that Hideo Kojima had some really dumb ideas for MGS 1, 2 and 3 and he had to be reigned in somewhat by Fukishima and the rest of the development team, whereas in 4, PW and V he more or less had free reign until Konami put their foot down.

Not that I'm saying Hideo Kojima is a hack or anything, he is good at coming up with cool ideas and directing scenes from his games. But I do think people attribute too much to him and it kind of went to his head a bit, especially when he goes on about how only the games he writes matter which is egotistical as hell, when games like Rising follow up on some plot elements Kojima himself abandoned.

Harrow posted:

Incidentally, this is why it's extra disappointing that Silent Hills is dead. Pairing a designer like Kojima with del Toro's writing and stylistic talent would've resulted in something absolutely fascinating.

DasKuend posted:

im watching msg4 (all your guns are belong to us) on twitch now, QUICK can someone explain to me why all the genome? soldiers sound like women or very young?

Mr. Fortitude posted:

The genome soldiers were considered a failure and abandoned after Shadow Moses.

Mr. Fortitude posted:

The genome soldiers were considered a failure and abandoned after Shadow Moses, while memetic soldiers like Raiden became a success and so the SOP system is an expanded version of that which controlled every aspect of battlefield information, including regulating a soldiers own biological and psychological state.

As for why the Frog unit are women... uh. I don't know. I don't even know why the B&B Unit are all women. Probably something to do with how war corrupts young women too? But then it gets into skeevy territory when they go in skin tight catsuits and do poses for you.

DasKuend posted:

Im trying to think of a female endboss/villain in games (i cant even remember in films but obvious there are some).

i like variety

Broken Cog posted:

...The Boss?

DasKuend posted:

Im trying to think of a female endboss/villain in games (i cant even remember in films but obvious there are some).

i like variety