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Kitchner posted:It was a really stupid scene that could have been written tons better while getting the same point across and you won't convince me Sisko punching Q is a good thing It was a good scene because it was a memorable, kinectic, show-not-tell (but also tell, a TNG producer probably added that dialogue) way to put a stamp on things and let you know that this was not going to play out as yet another Picard-vs-Q samey TNG II rigmarole. "gently caress Q, I've got poo poo to do" would be a pretty good tertiary mantra of the DS9 command staff.
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The punch didn't need to connect though, and Q didn't need to punch Sisko. All Sisko had to do is visibly look pissed off and swing at Q and then Q could be all like "Ash you're not like Picard". Instead it trivialises the moment and Q himself who is practically a god. To assert his dominance Q should have come back at night with Sisko's dead wife, revived her and then cucked Sisko for making him look a fool before sending his wife back to the right time line (dead).
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Sep 10, 2015 14:22
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You keep falling back on Q as having a power-motive. There is none. he's just bored. He loved getting punched. He loved having cause to react to it. He made a nose for Sisqo to punch as he knew he would when he had his space-breakfast that morning. That's what gives him a Q-boner. Being mildly amused at trivial poo poo and getting to be mawkish for a few hours at people in jumpsuits. Think of Q as a guy under house arrest. At some point he'll invite a friend over knowingly just to start an argument because nobody talks to him much any more and he misses the drama of shouting at someone.
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Sep 10, 2015 14:42
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The writers really dropped the ball by accidentally making a Q scene come off as comedic.
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Sep 10, 2015 15:03
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shadow puppet of a posted:Crusher was likened to a young Mozart That song was oddly prophetic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE
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Sep 10, 2015 15:12
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q thought sisko was a fuckin chump. theres a reason he never came back to ds9
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Sep 10, 2015 15:35
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Ambrose Burnside posted:q thought sisko was a fuckin chump. theres a reason he never came back to ds9 The Bajorans.
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The Bible posted:The Bajorans. If only Q would've done the Federation one final favour and chuck Bajor into the wormhole. No war with the Dominion, Bajorans get to be with their Prophets, everybody wins.
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shadow puppet of a posted:You keep falling back on Q as having a power-motive. There is none. he's just bored. He loved getting punched. He loved having cause to react to it. He made a nose for Sisqo to punch as he knew he would when he had his space-breakfast that morning. That's what gives him a Q-boner. Being mildly amused at trivial poo poo and getting to be mawkish for a few hours at people in jumpsuits. His entire character is him gloating about how much more civilised and advanced he is than humans. When he first appears in TNG if Picard had tried to punch him you get the real feeling not only would it have failed but it would have proved Q exactly right about human kind. He would have sneered at the barbarian resorting to physical violence. Instead he mocks Sisko about this, but then proceeds to comically punch Sisko in the face, before getting knocked over. I've never seen Q as someone who would do something that physical. Yes he would goad a human into hitting him sure, but only to prove himself right, he doesn't need to actually be hit in order to realise he succeeded in making someone lose their temper. I think actually having Q hit Sisko and Sisko hit Q takes a lot away from this, because it takes away from his aloof sneering tone when trying to wind up humans into getting angry, but instead makes it a slap stick joke. You honestly don't think it would be better if Q had never hit Sisko, but instead merely gave him the opportunity and goaded him until Sisko lashed out, at which point he missed but Q smugly took pride in making him lash out and compared him to Picard?
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Sep 10, 2015 15:56
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Sisko punched Q because it was cool and good and this is a stupid argument
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Sisko punched Q because it was cool and good and this is a stupid argument
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Sisko punched Q because it was cool and good and this is a stupid argument
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Look at you all with your wrong opinions. Probably Americans who think a joke isn't funny unless someone gets hit with a bucket of whitewash and a movie isn't complete without the good guy winning.
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Sep 10, 2015 16:13
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I heard that guy got his own spin off sitcom in 'murica. I don't think we got it over here but then all I watched back then was The Simpsons.
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You're being really obsessive over this poo poo, even my dumb rear end let the stupid Tuvix thing go eventually, rather than constantly poo poo up the thread with it. You could make the same grognard argument against a lot of the lighter bits of DS9, but... instead, how about you don't? Besides, it gave us Avery Brooks' best reaction face.
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Sep 10, 2015 16:32
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counterfeitsaint posted:Besides, it gave us Avery Brooks' best reaction face. 
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Rutibex posted:yeah, and they killed them before they could turn the super warp drive off. they still have it by the end of the episode, they make no attempt to say it broke or anything, so presumably the federation should have been able to copy the technology It's sitting in Section 31's secret warehouse with Ezri's wallhack rifle and the Ark of the Covenant.
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counterfeitsaint posted:You're being really obsessive over this poo poo, even my dumb rear end let the stupid Tuvix thing go eventually, rather than constantly poo poo up the thread with it. You could make the same grognard argument against a lot of the lighter bits of DS9, but... instead, how about you don't? Lol at comparing like 6 posts over 2 pages to the war and peace philosophical treatese that lasted for days about Tuvix. Apprently that's all that is required to "poo poo up a thread" these days is half a dozen posts over a few pages discussing something with the OP of the thread. The reaction face is good though.
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Maybe Q isn't as powerful as he claims to be? I mean, if I was a highly advanced alien, I'd probably lie to a lesser life form about what I can do too. "Oh yeah, I'm like all-knowing and poo poo, whatever. Not like you can ever disprove it. Blah blah magic powers blah blah humans are not worthy, y'know the drill." Sisko punches Q because Q is a little dipshit who in his extreme arrogance would never even consider the possibility that a mere human would actually dare to strike him. He's not the Judeo-Christian God, he's like...Hermes or something. Kind of a little shitheel divinity who gets into trouble now and then when he underestimates a mortal and/or tries to gently caress their wife.
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Sep 10, 2015 17:25
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I don't know if we covered this, but the guy who plays Damar has a job making videos for the Paso Robles wine industry and they are pretty awesome https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVaNxB5TN2M
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I'm glad Sisko punched Q and he hosed off, leaving DS9 largely free of omnipotent beings post season 1. He should've beat the living poo poo out of Rumpelstiltskin for reducing poor O'Brien to a caricature of an Irish villager. e: ^^^yeah there was a drinkin' noir with damar gif in the last trek thread.
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Its funny how a major plot point in DS9 is the fact that omnipotent beings live right outside the station but it never really just pointlessly falls back on them as a story crutch. It would be so drat easy to just go "uhhh... then the gods do stuff"
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Clark Nova posted:
my god i must have this
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Gutcruncher posted:Its funny how a major plot point in DS9 is the fact that omnipotent beings live right outside the station but it never really just pointlessly falls back on them as a story crutch. It would be so drat easy to just go "uhhh... then the gods do stuff" This happened like five times
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Sep 10, 2015 18:36
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heres a post from a previous star trek thread i thoroughly enjoy quote:FIRST DAY AT THE OFFICE
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Sep 10, 2015 18:38
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Who do you have to piss off to get assigned to DS9 anyway?
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Maybe DS9 wouldn't be constantly having repair problems in a future where any part can be replicated out of thin air if they hadn't made a noncom elevator operator the chief engineer.
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Do you think Sisko's dad made some kind of crazy space-jambalaya with poo poo from Andoria or are we talking just classic andouille here?
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Germstore posted:Who do you have to piss off to get assigned to DS9 anyway? Thinking back it seems like Sisko was the only one where this is true. Everyone else either volunteered or were brought on board for skillz. O'brien never needs to piss anyone off to get the poo poo end of the stick.
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found it. im so happy 
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Sep 10, 2015 19:20
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I liked how Picard was sad to see O'Brien go and stuff in that deleted scene and then he telecoms him off the ship as a sign of respect. Typical upper management, they say they appreciate you and act all sad when you say you're going but did they ever offer you a promotion or pay rise? Did they gently caress.
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I somehow like O'Brien more on DS9 than on TNG
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Rutibex posted:yeah, and they killed them before they could turn the super warp drive off. they still have it by the end of the episode, they make no attempt to say it broke or anything, so presumably the federation should have been able to copy the technology Not necessarily. Imagine you go back in time and give Benjamin Franklin an iPad (with a solar charger or something). He was a really smart guy, one of the top scientists of his day, and I think he'd figure out a lot about how to use it. He'd love the calculator app and would probably get pretty good at Candy Crush too. But he wouldn't have a hope in hell of copying the technology and building another one.
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Powered Descent posted:Not necessarily. Imagine you go back in time and give Benjamin Franklin an iPad (with a solar charger or something). He was a really smart guy, one of the top scientists of his day, and I think he'd figure out a lot about how to use it. He'd love the calculator app and would probably get pretty good at Candy Crush too. But he wouldn't have a hope in hell of copying the technology and building another one. I don't know. He wouldn't be the only one working on it. I bet a 2015 artifact shows up in 1776, by 1900 we'd be producing integrated circuits.
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Tujague posted:I don't know if we covered this, but the guy who plays Damar has a job making videos for the Paso Robles wine industry and they are pretty awesome this kind of makes me wonder if he was actually acting during his tenure on DS9 or just kind of wandered onto the set
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Melchior posted:this kind of makes me wonder if he was actually acting during his tenure on DS9 or just kind of wandered onto the set I think when he says "wine" he means "kanar"
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Powered Descent posted:Not necessarily. Imagine you go back in time and give Benjamin Franklin an iPad (with a solar charger or something). He was a really smart guy, one of the top scientists of his day, and I think he'd figure out a lot about how to use it. He'd love the calculator app and would probably get pretty good at Candy Crush too. But he wouldn't have a hope in hell of copying the technology and building another one. yeah except in that episode they didn't so much as use their own technology, but they modified the enterprises normal warp engine (with scottys help!), so they should be able to do that to any other warp engine they have. i mean heck Spock figures out time travel from some kind of hosed up gravity thing, then in a later episode they are just in the 1960's chilling out because spock reproduced the effect. BottledBodhisvata posted:Maybe Q isn't as powerful as he claims to be? I mean, if I was a highly advanced alien, I'd probably lie to a lesser life form about what I can do too. the Q are quite limited, and this is made clear in the first few times he encounters Picard. Q seems genuinely scared of humans and what they would become with enough time and development. the Q have infinite material power, but are stagnant because of their attachment to the physical universe. they haven't transcended beyond to a higher reality or anything like that, and they likely see humans reaching their level in time, and surpassing it
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That's what Wesley was doing with that child molester uhhh I mean ascended being.
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Melchior posted:this kind of makes me wonder if he was actually acting during his tenure on DS9 or just kind of wandered onto the set After having passed out in makeup for about 2 hours and woke up a spoonhead.
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