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gradenko_2000 posted:The GOP has a lot of experience with voter suppression. That's been the prediction since December 2012 actually. That since the likely dem nominee after Obama would likely do better with working class rural whites than Ovama, they would have to start pressuring voter disenfranchisement on working class rural whites as well if they wanted to win in 2016. Even though that stood to hurt them as well, the idea is that it would still hurt the dems more by hitting more of their base
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Fried Chicken posted:That's been the prediction since December 2012 actually. There's only so much you can do to suppress the white vote before you get a big backlash.
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Sep 11, 2015 16:52
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Zinkraptor posted:I feel exactly the same. I was CONVINCED that this election's primaries would be predictable and boring compared to the circus that was the 2012 GOP primary but then Trump happened and Jeb started committing political suicide repeatedly, so now everything is madness and ??????????? Trump's ascendance is completely insane but I'm still gobsmacked by how loving bad Jeb is at politics. In some ways its honestly impressive how every time Jeb speaks a long, bowl-winding turd just falls out of his mouth.
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Sep 11, 2015 16:53
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Everyone keeps saying Jeb! is bad at politics, but I'm not sure I see it. To a Democrat or non-vile person he might be saying some rather insensitive things but I don't see how it's any worse than what Trump or Cruz is doing.
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Sep 11, 2015 16:57
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SquadronROE posted:Everyone keeps saying Jeb! is bad at politics, but I'm not sure I see it. To a Democrat or non-vile person he might be saying some rather insensitive things but I don't see how it's any worse than what Trump or Cruz is doing. Trump and Cruz are not exactly the height of political acumen.
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Sep 11, 2015 16:59
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SquadronROE posted:Everyone keeps saying Jeb! is bad at politics, but I'm not sure I see it. To a Democrat or non-vile person he might be saying some rather insensitive things but I don't see how it's any worse than what Trump or Cruz is doing. Imagine if Nixon had a grandson that was running for President and he couldn't shut up about how great Pinochet was.
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Sep 11, 2015 16:59
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computer parts posted:Imagine if Nixon had a grandson that was running for President and he couldn't shut up about how great Pinochet was. Hah, yeah. Good point.
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Sep 11, 2015 17:04
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Isn't that basically Lindsey Graham's schtick?
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Sep 11, 2015 17:04
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Quote of the day, "14yrs ago terrorists attacked killing 3000 of us Like 12/7/41"lives in infamy" so will 9/11 2dayJapanese friendly Jihadists want kill us" ~ Chuck Grassley
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Sep 11, 2015 17:06
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That's a very specific form of Jihadist.
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Sep 11, 2015 17:09
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Joementum posted:Quote of the day, "14yrs ago terrorists attacked killing 3000 of us Like 12/7/41"lives in infamy" so will 9/11 2dayJapanese friendly Jihadists want kill us" ~ Chuck Grassley What in the gently caress does that even mean?
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Yeah those Japanese friendly Jihadists don't sound so friendly tbh.
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Sep 11, 2015 17:10
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Morrow posted:That's a very specific form of Jihadist. I'm a pacifist, but I may be willing to make an exception for weeaboo jihadists.
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Sep 11, 2015 17:11
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Fried Chicken posted:What does Trump or Carson or Cruz have to knock Bush or Walker out of the race? Apparently a pretty impressive amount of appeal. He's really getting the attention of millions of people who just like how "honest" he is and are tired of politicians saying the same poo poo over and over. He might not have the campaign machine that Bush has, but if your name is out there every single day getting positive press in the eyes of people who you are trying to win over, I don't think anything Jeb does can match the level of effectiveness. Every time I go to the gym and they have 3 different news channels playing on the TVs over the treadmill/stairmaster area, every one of them is covering something about Trump. Every single one. How much money would Jeb have to spend to get that level of coverage? His 100 million isn't worth dick if he can't push through Trumps visibility. Nothing seems to stick to him and anything his opponents throw at him just seems to make them look weak or petty. Has Trump done or said anything that is bad/wrong in the eyes of the base? I can't think of anything. Has Jeb? Every loving time he opens his mouth.
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SquadronROE posted:Everyone keeps saying Jeb! is bad at politics, but I'm not sure I see it. To a Democrat or non-vile person he might be saying some rather insensitive things but I don't see how it's any worse than what Trump or Cruz is doing. He needs those people who like Trump or Cruz to vote for him, and at the moment they despise him more than we do. As much criticism Romney got from the base in 2012, his favorability numbers with the base were still a lot better than Jeb!'s are right now. MaxxBot fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Sep 11, 2015 |
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Sep 11, 2015 17:21
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Do people forget that Ronald Reagan was a 2-term president based on celebrity status and rhetoric alone, despite being completely insane? I'm aware that a good chunk of Trump's poll numbers are based on people loving drama and the entertainment value but I really wish I knew exactly how much.
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Sep 11, 2015 17:23
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Elephant Ambush posted:Do people forget that Ronald Reagan was a 2-term president based on celebrity status and rhetoric alone, despite being completely insane? uh reagan was governor of california for two terms point being that he was vetted by the party. trump is loved by the rabid base but despised by the establishment GOP. it's pretty hard to push through half your potential constituents bitterly hating you as much as the other half worships you
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Sep 11, 2015 17:24
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Elephant Ambush posted:Do people forget that Ronald Reagan was a 2-term president based on celebrity status and rhetoric alone, despite being completely insane? Ronald Reagan was a two-term Governor of a major state and ran for President twice before winning.
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Sep 11, 2015 17:25
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Elephant Ambush posted:Do people forget that Ronald Reagan was a 2-term president based on celebrity status and rhetoric alone, despite being completely insane?
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Sep 11, 2015 17:25
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Joementum posted:Ronald Reagan was a two-term Governor of a major state and ran for President twice before winning. Don't let little facts get in the way of your narrative, Joe. Come on, you know better.
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Sep 11, 2015 17:27
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Sep 11, 2015 17:32
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The House rejected a motion to approve the Iran deal 162 to 269. This is one of several votes they will hold on the topic today.
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Sep 11, 2015 17:35
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Joementum posted:The House rejected a motion to approve the Iran deal 162 to 269. This is one of several votes they will hold on the topic today. i am glad that dumb, symbolic protest votes that mean jack poo poo are what they have to do with their time. No, really. I'd hate to see them actually do anything of note for a change. What are the odds now of a shutdown looking like?
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Sep 11, 2015 17:37
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:What are the odds now of a shutdown looking like? The Senate is going to pass a clean CR, probably late next week. Whether it passes the House depends entirely on John Boehner's willingness to put it on the floor for a vote and, as such, is difficult to predict.
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Sep 11, 2015 17:41
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SquadronROE posted:Everyone keeps saying Jeb! is bad at politics, but I'm not sure I see it. To a Democrat or non-vile person he might be saying some rather insensitive things but I don't see how it's any worse than what Trump or Cruz is doing. He gets pissy when people ask questions he doesn't want to answer. Especially about Iraq. It took days for him to grudgingly come around "Fine, I guess if I have to answer I really wouldn't have gone into Iraq!" Most politicians are just happy to run their mouths. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL0eKnCiGMU http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/jeb-bush-now-says-i-would-not-have-gone-iraq-n358966 I can see where he comes across as unready or unpolished.
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Sep 11, 2015 17:42
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And let's not forget Walker's complete inability to answer a question that he can't relate back to union busting. He punted on a topic once by literally saying, "I'm gonna have to punt on that one." In the words of His Trumpiness, a total loser.
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Sep 11, 2015 17:45
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Joementum posted:The Senate is going to pass a clean CR, probably late next week. Whether it passes the House depends entirely on John Boehner's willingness to put it on the floor for a vote and, as such, is difficult to predict. Oh good. I want to see if the House (and Boehner) do Hillary a solid by somehow shifting the narrative to the War on Women.
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Sep 11, 2015 17:50
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Joementum posted:The House rejected a motion to approve the Iran deal 162 to 269. This is one of several votes they will hold on the topic today. Who do they think they are performing this theater for exactly?
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Sep 11, 2015 17:51
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Joementum posted:The Senate is going to pass a clean CR, probably late next week. Whether it passes the House depends entirely on John Boehner's willingness to put it on the floor for a vote and, as such, is difficult to predict. He'll have to put a version with "Defund Planned Parenthood" stamped all over it first. Whether or not that causes more issues will depend on the Senate. My guess is that McConnell won't take it up.
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Zeroisanumber posted:He'll have to put a version with "Defund Planned Parenthood" stamped all over it first. Whether or not that causes more issues will depend on the Senate. My guess is that McConnell won't take it up. Well, he doesn't have to. He could, you know, grow a spine and tell them to gently caress off.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Well, he doesn't have to. He could, you know, grow a spine and tell them to gently caress off. He might if it's that or a shutdown during the election season. We'll see.
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On Terra Firma posted:Apparently a pretty impressive amount of appeal. He's really getting the attention of millions of people who just like how "honest" he is and are tired of politicians saying the same poo poo over and over. He might not have the campaign machine that Bush has, but if your name is out there every single day getting positive press in the eyes of people who you are trying to win over, I don't think anything Jeb does can match the level of effectiveness. Every time I go to the gym and they have 3 different news channels playing on the TVs over the treadmill/stairmaster area, every one of them is covering something about Trump. Every single one. How much money would Jeb have to spend to get that level of coverage? His 100 million isn't worth dick if he can't push through Trumps visibility. And what part of this will force Bush to drop out? Candidates drop when they a) run out of money b) it becomes mathematically impossible for them to win (and sometimes fight to a stale mate then) c) get pressure through the establishment and an offer from the leader that lets them and their supporters come into a greater position of power within the leader's organization A won't happen - Bush has too much money and these days a pocket billionaire can keep anyone going. C won't happen - Bush is the establishment guy of choice already. And can you really see Trump offering him a spot in his cabinet/VP? Or Bush taking it? B we won't know about until almost a year from now. And I don't put good odds on Bush/Walker/Rubio/Kasich/Christie being decisively beat early on like how Gingrich or Perry was in 12 So basically we are down to the Quin Hillyer option that the establishment guys get together and most fall on their sword to let one of them rise. But other than that there is no way for Trump or any of the insurgents to force them out of the race
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Mr Jaunts posted:And let's not forget Walker's complete inability to answer a question that he can't relate back to union busting. He punted on a topic once by literally saying, "I'm gonna have to punt on that one." In the words of His Trumpiness, a total loser. He refused to answer questions about the refugee crisis earlier this week because it was "hypothetical" and "there is no such thing as a hypothetical"
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Sep 11, 2015 18:00
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Fried Chicken posted:He refused to answer questions about the refugee crisis earlier this week because it was "hypothetical" and "there is no such thing as a hypothetical"  Amazing.
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Sep 11, 2015 18:02
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If I were a multibillionaire I'd write this man so many checks. 
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Sep 11, 2015 18:06
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video clip of the people of Sterling Heights Michigan cheering after a proposal to allow construction of a mosque was voted down
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Fried Chicken posted:He refused to answer questions about the refugee crisis earlier this week because it was "hypothetical" and "there is no such thing as a hypothetical" I didn't hear the hypothetical part, I just knew he said "That's a question for the President" when asked about it.
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Sep 11, 2015 18:07
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Fried Chicken posted:video clip of the people of Sterling Heights Michigan cheering after a proposal to allow construction of a mosque was voted down They won't be cheering when the city hikes property taxes to pay for the multi-million dollar judgment in two years.
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Fried Chicken posted:9 governors in it and they add up to only 22% combined That would indeed be awesome, but how exactly do you see that playing out? Will Trump/Carson lose their lead somehow or will there be delegate/convention mayhem where the establishment tries to ram a Bush/Walker ticket down everyone's throat even if they're behind in the polls?
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Rhesus Pieces posted:That would indeed be awesome, but how exactly do you see that playing out? Will Trump/Carson lose their lead somehow or will there be delegate/convention mayhem where the establishment tries to ram a Bush/Walker ticket down everyone's throat even if they're behind in the polls? We are 6 months out from the first primary. Guessing the "how" is a mugs game. I just look at the obstacles to be overcome and I can't see a way this doesn't go to whom the establishment picks
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