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BloodBag posted:I saw a Jeep Grand Cherokee commercial on Hulu yesterday and they were crowing about it being 'the most luxurious SUV in it's segment' WTF does that mean? Aren't Range Rovers in it's segment? I should think a Range Rover shits all over a Jeep when luxury or offroading is concerned. As someone who owns both a GC and a BMW, there is nothing luxurious about a Grand Cherokee.
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BloodBag posted:I saw a Jeep Grand Cherokee commercial on Hulu yesterday and they were crowing about it being 'the most luxurious SUV in it's segment' WTF does that mean? Aren't Range Rovers in it's segment? I should think a Range Rover shits all over a Jeep when luxury or offroading is concerned. The theory is that their segment is Affordable (under $40k) Midsize SUVs: http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/Affordable-Midsize-SUVs/ Brands like: Honda, Nissa, Toyota, Hyundai, Ford, Dodge The next step up is Luxury Midsize SUVs: http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/Luxury-Midsize-SUVs/ Brands like: Porsche, Lexus, Range Rover, BMW, Acura, Cadillac, Infiniti, Lincoln, MB
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Tubesock Holocaust posted:Steven Lang thinks Cadillac should just drop the pretense of competing against ze Germans and just make the most blinged-out pickup truck on the planet, Escalade style: http://www.autoblog.com/2015/08/31/why-cadillac-needs-real-truck-opinion/ I think there's an idea from the point of view of internet car company CEOs that cars which don't fit a brand image should be "killed", just to make the model lineup look neater. I don't think this is realistic, or even desirable. If everything is a shared platform and shared parts, then a sale is a sale, and having more brands with more products isn't really a bad thing.
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Sep 11, 2015 15:22
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Maybe Jeep shouldn't try to make super luxurious poo poo and make more offroaders  Are the new GC's that good off road anyhow?
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BloodBag posted:I saw a Jeep Grand Cherokee commercial on Hulu yesterday and they were crowing about it being 'the most luxurious SUV in it's segment' WTF does that mean? Aren't Range Rovers in it's segment? I should think a Range Rover shits all over a Jeep when luxury or offroading is concerned. Every possible option on a GC summit in the US brings it to 60k msrp. A Range Rover is 85k to start, the RR Sport is 65k which is the same as the SRT. REDjackeT fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Sep 11, 2015 |
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Throatwarbler posted:I think there's an idea from the point of view of internet car company CEOs that cars which don't fit a brand image should be "killed", just to make the model lineup look neater. I don't think this is realistic, or even desirable. If everything is a shared platform and shared parts, then a sale is a sale, and having more brands with more products isn't really a bad thing. Which is why I'm not a car company CEO. Because I'm looking at things from the emotional perspective of a keyboard-bound fan of the brand. However, the whole "a sale is a sale" deal means little if it comes at the expense of the brand's cache, especially if you're selling what's supposed to be a luxury brand. The XTS offers easy profits and platform amortization, but at the expense of the company's image. The CTS and ATS are earners, but not in the way that the Escalade or even the SRX earns its keep. I'm not a fan of killing off models just for the sake of killing them off, but Cadillac needs product that fits the image they want to put out there. Chasing the Germans for the leasing crown isn't going to cut it - and that's largely why the CTS/CT5 and ATS exist. What Caddy really needs right now are Encore and Enclave-sized CUVs with bold, brash styling if they want to keep their image and relevancy going.
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Sep 11, 2015 17:07
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Its be cheaper and more profitable to drop everything non-Escapade and fully embrace the concept that people with more debt than sense loving love it and no one gives a gently caress about their other vehicles
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Tubesock Holocaust posted:Steven Lang thinks Cadillac should just drop the pretense of competing against ze Germans and just make the most blinged-out pickup truck on the planet, Escalade style: http://www.autoblog.com/2015/08/31/why-cadillac-needs-real-truck-opinion/ it was literally not possible for Cadillac to build the Model S for a litany of reasons
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Sep 11, 2015 18:30
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Supposedly Forza 6 has the GT's specs at 630hp/539tq and 2890 lbs. Wonder if that's accurate. Has a car's specs ever been leaked via video game before? 
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Sep 11, 2015 18:44
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I still don't get the point of GMC...slightly upscale versions of their normal trucks and SUVs?
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:it was literally not possible for Cadillac to build the Model S for a litany of reasons See also: the ELR Also Tesla isn't even a profitable car company so why should Cadillac copy them.
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El Scotch posted:Supposedly Forza 6 has the GT's specs at 630hp/539tq and 2890 lbs. I feel like they put the Corvette C7 prototype in Gran Turismo 5 before the official January announcement that year and had tentative hp/torque numbers that ended up being accurate? It was neat because they put the car in the game with the camouflage coverings on it too.  Edit: vv not really GT-R based per say, but the GT-R was on the cover of Gran Turismo 5: Prologue. That came out in Japan December of 2007 but I don't recall if it spoiled any info about the car. davebo fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Sep 11, 2015 |
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Sep 11, 2015 18:49
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Didn't the new skyline get a gran turismo based demo when it came to the U.S.
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BraveUlysses posted:I still don't get the point of GMC...slightly upscale versions of their normal trucks and SUVs? Focus specifically on trucks/SUVs as well as commercial and heavier-duty trucks. There are minor differences between the products, for example you can get a 2015 Sierra 1500 with LED running lamps while the 2015 Silverado 1500 doesn't have them in order to save on costs. But mechanically they are identical for the most part.
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Dislike button posted:Focus specifically on trucks/SUVs as well as commercial and heavier-duty trucks. There are minor differences between the products, for example you can get a 2015 Sierra 1500 with LED running lamps while the 2015 Silverado 1500 doesn't have them in order to save on costs. But mechanically they are identical for the most part. I think their dealer network is slightly nicer? Also it costs them almost nothing to keep the brand alive.
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BraveUlysses posted:I still don't get the point of GMC...slightly upscale versions of their normal trucks and SUVs? $14,000 in revenue on $2,600 incremental cost.
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Sep 11, 2015 19:27
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New Civic spied completely uncovered.
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Sep 11, 2015 19:34
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I don't like it.
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It has the weird chrome bar from the early 8th gen civic except it's moved to the front, and the rear end of a Crosstour.
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Looks like a Nissan.
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PCOS Bill posted:I don't like it. Really? I easily think its the best looking Civic in a while.
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Sep 11, 2015 20:01
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Looks really large for a Civic. Like I know newer cars aren't small but that thing looks like it has the wheelbase of an Accord.
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Sep 11, 2015 20:04
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God drat, new car designs are getting worse and worse.
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Sep 11, 2015 20:05
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It has a lot of elements that look weird to me - front headlight looks like the 200, the bar and Crosstour rear end, the profile is kind of weirdly Mazda6/Nissan Maxima - it just looks kind of like an underwhelming mishmash. I thought the 8th gen and to a lesser extent the 9th gen looked pretty cohesive, at least. Edit: I think it looks really long because the overhangs look pretty short - but it's almost certainly a few inches longer than the previous Civic, so it's just a bit bigger than the 4th gen Accord. The current Accord is like 191" edit2: fixed a number KYOON GRIFFEY JR fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Sep 11, 2015 |
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fknlo posted:God drat, new car designs are getting worse and worse. Only in regards to the continued lack of fins.     
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BraveUlysses posted:I still don't get the point of GMC...slightly upscale versions of their normal trucks and SUVs?
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Terrible Robot posted:Looks really large for a Civic. Like I know newer cars aren't small but that thing looks like it has the wheelbase of an Accord. It looks loving huge.
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It was boring, but I really liked the 7th gen Civic in Si-hatch and coupe flavors. They should just make those again with newer drivetrains and nicer head units.
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Holy poo poo, that civic looks like a goddamn boat.The objectively correct opinion is that the 7th gen civic and 6th gen accord, along with the s2000 were the last good looking Hondas. 
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oRenj9 posted:In Seattle, everybody's doing 5 under the (already ridiculously low) speed limit. Well, the new one is apparently going to offer stop-and-go adaptive cruise control - a very helpful feature for highways with traffic problems.
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Throatwarbler posted:Looks like the Escalade V is finally going to be coming. Yes please. Then make a new avalanche with it so I can steal the parts for my lovely truck.
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That new Civic looks great, they've taken the styling elements that work on other small cars and integrated them all well, while staying true to Honda's new design language they kicked off with the new Accord. With the longer hood and short overhangs it gives the appearance of length in a car that'll be about the same size as the current gen. Using proportions to visually lengthen a car like the new Mazdas, and now Civic with it's rear third in addition to the longer hood, is a clever means of imparting a feeling of greater size and class while retaining a nice manageable wheelbase. I'll have to see it in person but from those pics it looks like the nicest compact car after the Mazda3.
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I don't want a car that feels huge.
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It almost certainly won't feel like a big barge when you're inside, and the A pillars look nice and thin.
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Sep 12, 2015 02:27
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Reminds me of the new Maxima, which is a bad thing.
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Sep 12, 2015 02:30
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You know that Acura beak that everyone loved? We should put that on the civic. Except make it stretch the whole front of the car.
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Sep 12, 2015 02:39
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Looks so lovely I'd rather be in the e series behind it.
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angryhampster posted:Reminds me of the new Maxima, which is a bad thing. Um  No They're doing the four door coupe roofline, in compact form. Also extending the front axle like Mazda.   It's only three shots with no good front end view but the chrome bar doesn't look anywhere near as bad as the gigantic beaks on Acuras.
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Wheeee posted:Also extending the front axle like Mazda. Also hideous
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Wheeee posted:It's only three shots with no good front end view but the chrome bar doesn't look anywhere near as bad as the gigantic beaks on Acuras. PCOS Bill posted:Also hideous
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