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Literally The Worst posted:I hate all of you for engaging in the loving lawn dart argument again How can you pass up pure strain gold like "don't you come at me with your emotional arguments like death tolls and units of measurement"?
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Caros posted:
Yeah I think libertarianism/unbridled free market just won and did a little victory dance in the end zone. Sorry statists. 
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Sep 14, 2015 03:27
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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QuarkJets posted:"Idiotic" does that with fewer words Haha, figures this hit a nerve with Quark whose favorite strategy is exactly this kind of pseudo-science appeal to authority. Any other sciency units relevant here? R^2 maybe?
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Sep 14, 2015 03:31
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Personally, I'd like to think that if I got schooled on something, I'd at least have the decency to own up, but I know that even at my worst I'd slink away rather than boast about how actually, it is you who got owned, suck my dick.
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Sep 14, 2015 03:36
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Now you are just throwing out random logical fallacies. Like its a Facebook argument.
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Sep 14, 2015 03:37
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asdf32 posted:Haha, figures this hit a nerve with Quark whose favorite strategy is exactly this kind of pseudo-science appeal to authority. Claiming victory when everyone thinks you are clearly wrong (and you are) makes you look retarded. hth.
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Sep 14, 2015 03:46
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Effectronica posted:Personally, I'd like to think that if I got schooled on something, I'd at least have the decency to own up, but I know that even at my worst I'd slink away rather than boast about how actually, it is you who got owned, suck my dick. Quark's trick works and worked on you. I legitimately think I failed by not succeeding at convincing you otherwise.
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Sep 14, 2015 03:53
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what authority exactly was quarkjets appealing to there.
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Sep 14, 2015 03:53
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asdf32 posted:Quark's trick works and worked on you. I legitimately think I failed by not succeeding at convincing you otherwise. Hey look, there's that Libertarian Pseudointellectualism peaking its ugly face out into the world again...
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Sep 14, 2015 03:55
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asdf32 posted:Haha, figures this hit a nerve with Quark whose favorite strategy is exactly this kind of pseudo-science appeal to authority. wait wait wait back up how is physics pseudoscience
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Sep 14, 2015 03:55
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Literally The Worst posted:wait wait wait back up It's not free market enough for him 
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Sep 14, 2015 03:57
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asdf32 posted:Quark's trick works and worked on you. I legitimately think I failed by not succeeding at convincing you otherwise. What trick? How is talking about force needed to cause injury not fully relevant to a discussion about children being injured? Listen, just because you personally are not smart enough to understand something doesn't automatically make it wrong. It just makes you retarded.
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Sep 14, 2015 03:58
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you can't just string random words together and hope they mean something adf32
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Sep 14, 2015 03:59
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Who What Now posted:What trick? How is talking about force needed to cause injury not fully relevant to a discussion about children being injured? Listen, just because you personally are not smart enough to understand something doesn't automatically make it wrong. It just makes you retarded. Again, this seems to be a Libertarian common issue: Failing to understand an advanced concept automatically makes said concept wrong.
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Sep 14, 2015 04:00
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Literally The Worst posted:wait wait wait back up It's pseudo science to use use some real concept like entropy illegitimately in regards to a subject like evolution or cite measurements that don't actually matter like "did you know carbon is only 400PPM of the atmosphere" in regards to global warming. Citing PSI has nothing to do with anaylizing the probability of an injury happening and the person citing PSI (yep a real unit) didn't have the slightest clue what a dangerous amount of PSI was and didn't expect their audience to know either but instead was banking on generating an emotional response by dropping a large number. It worked.
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Sep 14, 2015 04:35
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Pseudo science strong enough to puncture a skull again and again.
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Sep 14, 2015 04:39
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I'm with asdf, it's important not to abuse scientific terms to make silly points. Remember that time some idiot took the economic concept of "demand" and claimed that it was infinite?
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Sep 14, 2015 04:48
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asdf32 posted:Haha, figures this hit a nerve with Quark whose favorite strategy is exactly this kind of pseudo-science appeal to authority. Not a nerve, more of a funny bone really. And "pseudoscience" does not mean what you think it means asdf32 posted:It's pseudo science to use use some real concept like entropy illegitimately in regards to a subject like evolution or cite measurements that don't actually matter like "did you know carbon is only 400PPM of the atmosphere" in regards to global warming. IIRC, they quoted the pressure applied by a hypothetical lawn dart, the area of a lawn dart tip, and the amount of force required to fracture a human skull. If P*A > F, then lawn darts can potentially cause a serious injury. The math works out, and this is reinforced by the many children that were hospitalized or killed by lawn darts. Do you agree that lawn darts can potentially cause serious injury? If you do, then you agree with the "pseudoscience" of "if force exceeds some threshold then injury occurs" you dipshit. On the other hand, if you want to argue that lawn darts are not capable of inflicting serious injury, then feel free to do that now. QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Sep 14, 2015 |
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asdf32 posted:It's pseudo science to use use some real concept like entropy illegitimately in regards to a subject like evolution or cite measurements that don't actually matter like "did you know carbon is only 400PPM of the atmosphere" in regards to global warming. Good thing nothing like that has happened here, then quote:Citing PSI has nothing to do with anaylizing the probability of an injury happening and the person citing PSI (yep a real unit) didn't have the slightest clue what a dangerous amount of PSI was and didn't expect their audience to know either but instead was banking on generating an emotional response by dropping a large number. It worked. You're right, pressure is not the same as a statistical analysis. The second part of your post makes it sound like you really do think that lawn darts can't cause injury which is just hilarious
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Sep 14, 2015 05:25
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asdf32 posted:It's pseudo science to use use some real concept like entropy illegitimately in regards to a subject like evolution or cite measurements that don't actually matter like "did you know carbon is only 400PPM of the atmosphere" in regards to global warming. so you're talking out your rear end
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Sep 14, 2015 05:27
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Sep 14, 2015 05:47
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Literally The Worst posted:I hate all of you for engaging in the loving lawn dart argument again Hey, at least now we know what to use on the thread whenever it starts up again. BreakAtmo fucked around with this message at 05:50 on Sep 14, 2015 |
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Sep 14, 2015 05:47
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In libertopia, children will play with water balloons filled with diesel fuel tied to bungee cords and they'll like it.
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Sep 14, 2015 06:10
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asdf32 posted:It's pseudo science to use use some real concept like entropy illegitimately in regards to a subject like evolution or cite measurements that don't actually matter like "did you know carbon is only 400PPM of the atmosphere" in regards to global warming. Alternatively, you can give us some credit for scientific knowledge and ability to understand the magnitude of numbers. 23000 PSI is around two elephants standing on a single square inch. That is dangerous. Sure, I may not know exactly what PSI is the point where something becomes dangerous rather than not dangerous, but that doesn't mean that I can't state that something is on one side of the line or not. EDIT: Bone has, according to Wikipedia, an ultimate tensile strength of about 19000 PSI. Skin is around 2900 PSI. While it's not as simple as just checking the numbers to each other and seeing which one's bigger, the fact that they're even on the same order of magnitude shows pretty conclusively that it's dangerous. Besides, even if it can't penetrate to the brain (which it can, it's happened), it could put somebody's eye out incredibly easily. Karia fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Sep 14, 2015 |
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Sep 14, 2015 06:29
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Literally The Worst posted:wait wait wait back up buckle up homie
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Sep 14, 2015 06:30
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When my child fights getting into the carseat, that's how I know he's made a rational decision to eschew its restraints in favor of the sheer life-affirming joy of crawling around the backseat while I'm doing 70 on the highway. Of course hysterical liberals are using government coercion to stifle his free choice.
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Karia posted:Alternatively, you can give us some credit for scientific knowledge and ability to understand the magnitude of numbers. 23000 PSI is around two elephants standing on a single square inch. That is dangerous. Sure, I may not know exactly what PSI is the point where something becomes dangerous rather than not dangerous, but that doesn't mean that I can't state that something is on one side of the line or not. Also, you know, they've clearly killed people. I get his point is supposed to be "Oh you're bringing up big numbers to raise a stink about something that isn't really that much of a problem" but at the end of the day it boils down to the fact that people died for no reason because of these things. If we had an alternative to a trampoline that did everything that a trampoline does and dropped injury rates to zero you're goddamned right I'd be up front and center saying we should ban traditional trampolines.
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There goes Caros ignoring the use-value of having a toy that delivers excellent cranial puncture wounds. Where's your replacement for that?
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CommieGIR posted:Hey look, there's that Libertarian Pseudointellectualism peaking its ugly face out into the world again... Uh no, you see libertariansim much like marxism is pseudo-religious nonsense, as is the objective measure of force required for cranial penetration thrown out for emotional appeal. 
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SedanChair posted:Maxism, far from being bad, is good As communism is the final stage of socialism, Maxism is the final stage of libertarianism.
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Pope Guilty posted:Slash taxes and hike spending is pretty much the GOP policy. They talk about cutting spending and just assume you won't notice they're cutting a few million from spending on the poor and adding dozens of billions to our military spending. Well that's what they do, but I think they only don't cut spending cause it's very popular. In a perfect world, I do think Republicans would love to balance the budget by slashing taxes on the rich and paying for it by using poor people as fertilizer.
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Mr Interweb posted:Well that's what they do, but I think they only don't cut spending cause it's very popular. In a perfect world, I do think Republicans would love to balance the budget by slashing taxes on the rich and paying for it by using poor people as fertilizer. Come on now, unlike poor people fertilizer is actually worth something.
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paragon1 posted:what authority exactly was quarkjets appealing to there. Reality. asdf32 posted:It's pseudo science to use use some real concept like entropy illegitimately in regards to a subject like evolution or cite measurements that don't actually matter like "did you know carbon is only 400PPM of the atmosphere" in regards to global warming. Atmospheric carbon is irrelevant to global warming if you put the word 'only' in front of a measurement and rely on the ignorance of your audience, determining if lawn darts are capable of penetrating a human skull purely through the force of gravity is irrelevant in an argument about whether they're dangerous, got it.
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I am legit worried for asdf's kid edit: Not necessarily due to the possibility of injury due to neglect, but actually having the attention of asdf as a influencing figure
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:I am legit worried for asdf's kid I can see so many arguments worthy of South Park in his future. "Throwing pillows around and throwing lawn darts around is basically the same thing. In both cases it's just kids tossing stuff around. In fact, the pillow might not be anti-allergenic, so it's actually MORE dangerous. Have you ever seen anyone with an allergy to steel, you totalitarian twit? Thought not."
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paragon1 posted:what authority exactly was quarkjets appealing to there. The CRC handbook and its liberal agenda 
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Jack of Hearts posted:I'm with asdf, it's important not to abuse scientific terms to make silly points. Remember that time some idiot took the economic concept of "demand" and claimed that it was infinite? I feel like this needs to be appreciated more.
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eNeMeE posted:I feel like this needs to be appreciated more. Um, excuse me, but he never said it was literally infinite, just that it was functionally infinite and furthermore why would anyone open a beauty salon when I wouldn't want to go there because obviously *faaaaaaaaaaaaart*
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QuarkJets posted:Not a nerve, more of a funny bone really. And "pseudoscience" does not mean what you think it means Oh boy. First, this source? You recall incorrectly, they just drop the PSI as I said. That's one thing, but if I recall correctly caros spit that back out a couple more times for additional effect, certainly with no comparison and possibly without even knowing what PSI means. Second, we don't actually need a formula to capture "pointed objects are dangerous" but it's really amusing that I call you out for misuse of scientific authority and you deliver on cue. That would stand if the analysis was correct but it isn't - force is the wrong unit to do this and by multiplying that A out of the denominator you removed the detail which actually makes pointed objects more dangerous. Anyways, yes I 100% agree that lawn darts can be dangerous. Karia posted:Alternatively, you can give us some credit for scientific knowledge and ability to understand the magnitude of numbers. 23000 PSI is around two elephants standing on a single square inch. That is dangerous. Sure, I may not know exactly what PSI is the point where something becomes dangerous rather than not dangerous, but that doesn't mean that I can't state that something is on one side of the line or not. Ok (except Quarkjets) Right but diving deeper into the gory details doesn't illuminate the overall injury statistics which are what's important. Related current event: the recent planned parenthood thing. asdf32 fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Sep 14, 2015 |
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asdf32 posted:Right but diving deeper into the gory details doesn't illuminate the overall injury statistics which are what's important. People did do that, and then you  'd about how the numbers were too big and scary.
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