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Jerry Bindle
May 16, 2003

coffeetable posted:

there's an awful lot more to it than that. people are complicated and how they interact is really complicated. ordering developers along a single dimension and then declaring some of them to be 'top 20%' is daft, but claiming there are two binary attributes that determine a developer's worth is even more daft.

oh ok its only ok for you to call people idiots, got it chief

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Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Soricidus posted:

it's not that implausible. I had a quick look at the case of finland, as a developed country of similar size, and it too seems to have two local companies splitting the pharmacy software market. presumably it's just the kind of market where this can happen.

finland has a giant language barrrier

finland could literally be 100,000 shivering people on a single naked rock and the language barrier would still create a market

coffeetable
Feb 5, 2006

TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

Barnyard Protein posted:

oh ok its only ok for you to call people idiots, got it chief

you're right, im sorry.

quote:

ordering developers along a single dimension and then declaring some of them to be 'top 20%' is unhelpful, but claiming there are two binary attributes that determine a developer's worth is only plausible if you've worked with less than four developers ever. people are complicated and how they interact is really complicated.

coffeetable fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Sep 13, 2015

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

the u.k. is 60 million people, it's not gonna surprise me when they can develop internal markets for vertical market software

new zealand is the size of a midsize city

imagine making millions of dollars selling pharmacy software specific to the needs of the detroit metro area

4 mill is a "mid size" city?? eh anyway I doubt they make millions

anyway gently caress you bsd for your cultural arrogance of assuming smaller nations should bow down and get the US to service our local economy. that kind of attitude murders babies

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

echinopsis posted:

4 mill is a "mid size" city?? eh anyway I doubt they make millions
yeah

detroit
toronto
san francisco
st louis
atlanta

etc

echinopsis posted:

anyway gently caress you bsd for your cultural arrogance of assuming smaller nations should bow down and get the US to service our local economy. that kind of attitude murders babies

it's not widely applicable

new zealand just has the good (?) fortune of being in the anglosphere

jony ive aces
Jun 14, 2012

designer of the lomarf car


Buglord

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

literally 100,000 shivering people on a single naked rock and the language barrier would still create a market
yeah iceland also makes space mmos

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

finland has a giant language barrrier

finland could literally be 100,000 shivering people on a single naked rock and the language barrier would still create a market

how about ireland, then? no language barrier, same population as new zealand, right next door to the uk. and yet there's this and this which both look at a glance to be locally-developed pharmacy software systems.

i'd guess that pharmacy software is enough of a niche that local companies built up market share long before the us software industry would have been interested in expanding there, and now it's not worth the cost of breaking into those tiny markets for whatever profits they might get out of them.

jony neuemonic
Nov 13, 2009

canadian pharmacy is also dominated by a canadian company, for what it's worth.

which is unfortunate, because they're not all that great.

bobbilljim
May 29, 2013

this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me
:shittydog::shittydog::shittydog:
Its either hard to get a java dev job in auckland or easy to find my yosposts :reject:

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

yeah

detroit
toronto
san francisco
st louis
atlanta

etc


it's not widely applicable

new zealand just has the good (?) fortune of being in the anglosphere

it would fuckin suck if we weren't angloshepher

MononcQc
May 29, 2007

bobbilljim posted:

Its either hard to get a java dev job in auckland or easy to find my yosposts :reject:

What's the tech scene like in NZ anyway? I was invited to do work for 1 week with guys in IT at Weta FX earlier this months and while it was cool, it seemed that Weta was the only big [tech] thing in Wellington. I know Richard O'Keefe probably kicks rear end teaching in Otago but otherwise I have no idea.

Fullets
Feb 5, 2009

MononcQc posted:

I know Richard O'Keefe probably kicks rear end teaching in Otago but otherwise I have no idea.

this is absolutely the case. there wasn't really a vibrant scene in dunedin (lol) or wellington when i was there, i haven't been in nz for a few years. in both places the general pattern was there were handful of decent jobs and if you got bored with that you'd go to the one place that everyone went to, or you moved to a different city

bobbilljim
May 29, 2013

this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me
:shittydog::shittydog::shittydog:
It seems pretty lame tbh but I also don't really go to any meetups or anything (except owasp a few times, lol). I probably should

bobbilljim
May 29, 2013

this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me
:shittydog::shittydog::shittydog:
There's also a couple of places that hire a shitload of grads so a lot of people tend to work there at first.

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
id consider tech if the money was better but don't want to lose registration how to be pharmcy well paid tech nerd dude

run Viagra online happy time pharmacy ??

bobbilljim
May 29, 2013

this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me
:shittydog::shittydog::shittydog:
you could probably pretty easily gte some dev contracting work since you;re only part time anyway

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
so they really hire chumps with just heaps of CG logos as their resume huh

I am exite

Valeyard
Mar 30, 2012


Grimey Drawer
Echi mate, you have a good job, consider carefully and don't fall into the trap of working with computers for a living!!!

oh no blimp issue
Feb 23, 2011

you might end up like valeyard and gonadic io, making fat stacks of cash in the financial sector

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
my work is being sold and its entirely possible that ill either end up redundant or wiorse still have to work full time :/ and idk i mean its not like i get paid poorly for being a pharmacist but you moteher fuckers are living tghe high life. i want a newer iphone before 2020, you know? maybe i should learn how to teach resuscitation training coz my wife is buying a resusc training business that reaps more money in a day than i make in a week

anyway pharmacy is nice but computers own how can i mix pharmacy and tweeting and taking drugs all at the same time, while making stacks?

oh no blimp issue
Feb 23, 2011

start an online pharmacy

Kathleen
Feb 26, 2013

Grimey Drawer

MononcQc posted:

I know Richard O'Keefe probably kicks rear end teaching in Otago but otherwise I have no idea.

He sure does. There's a handful of companies in Dunedin doing good stuff like ADInstuments but it's not a big market. Lot's of jobs in Wellington and Auckland for intermediate and senior positions though. I graduated this year and I'm looking for work in Wellington but (funnily enough) I'm only getting interest from companies that explicitly have graduate programmes.

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Awia posted:

start an online pharmacy

this is me irl

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Soricidus posted:

how about ireland, then? no language barrier, same population as new zealand, right next door to the uk. and yet there's this and this which both look at a glance to be locally-developed pharmacy software systems.

i'd guess that pharmacy software is enough of a niche that local companies built up market share long before the us software industry would have been interested in expanding there, and now it's not worth the cost of breaking into those tiny markets for whatever profits they might get out of them.

well how about that

i wonder how much channel sales plays into this phenomenon

DONT THREAD ON ME
Oct 1, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Floss Finder
echi cant you just get a job on angry moo cows farm? maybe he needs someone to give anti biotics to the animals

oh no blimp issue
Feb 23, 2011

its new zealand, he probably lives next door and does favours for him already

jony ive aces
Jun 14, 2012

designer of the lomarf car


Buglord

echinopsis posted:

anyway pharmacy is nice but computers own how can i mix pharmacy and tweeting and taking drugs all at the same time, while making stacks?
have you heard of bitcoin

gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=
Refer to the documentary Breaking Bad for more details

Triglav
Jun 2, 2007

IT IS HARAAM TO SEND SMILEY FACES THROUGH THE INTERNET
hes not a chemist chemist. he counts pills for bottles

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
hey people still call me a chemist

one dude called me doc even :smug:




please i know moer about chemistry than all you computer folk put together

Valeyard
Mar 30, 2012


Grimey Drawer

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

echi cant you just get a job on angry moo cows farm? maybe he needs someone to give anti biotics to the animals

This would be cool

Valeyard
Mar 30, 2012


Grimey Drawer
After barely two works of the most corporate stuff ever, I have a hankering for that startup culture

Valeyard
Mar 30, 2012


Grimey Drawer
Or just good company culture

jony neuemonic
Nov 13, 2009

Valeyard posted:

Or just good company culture

don't look for this in startups.

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
I just want to work in a place where I can talk about having a boner without sexual harassment lawsuits knowwhaddimean?!

jony neuemonic
Nov 13, 2009

echinopsis posted:

I just want to work in a place where I can talk about having a boner without sexual harassment lawsuits knowwhaddimean?!

this is what you'll get at a startup.

Valeyard
Mar 30, 2012


Grimey Drawer

jony neuemonic posted:

don't look for this in startups.

Maybe a place that doesent talk about "the culture" would be good then

gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=

jony neuemonic posted:

this is what you'll get at a startup.

can confirm

jony neuemonic
Nov 13, 2009

Valeyard posted:

Maybe a place that doesent talk about "the culture" would be good then

i think you just have to get burned a few times and learn what to ask about when you interview.

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suffix
Jul 27, 2013

Wheeee!

echinopsis posted:

I just want to work in a place where I can talk about having a boner without sexual harassment lawsuits knowwhaddimean?!

it is a shameful pharmacist who gets high on their own viagra stash

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