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Stabbatical posted:[url=http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/if-its-truly-progressive-labour-will-have-voted-in-a-female-leader--regardless-of-her-policies-10496237.html] "If it's truly progressive, Labour will have voted in a female leader - regardless of her policies" What the actual gently caress?
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Regarde Aduck posted:Important question: Would we have MGS 5 today if we had full communism? Yes and it would have been finished and would have the extra levels Kojima promised but couldn't deliver because of budget restraints. 
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Sep 14, 2015 12:56
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TheRat posted:"If it's truly progressive, Labour will have voted in a female leader - regardless of her policies" So, uh, Margaret Thatcher for head of the Labour party, then?
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Sep 14, 2015 12:58
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So there's a video going around, Corbyn's "walk of silence" which everyone's touting as him being unable to answer questions and handle the media etc. Turns out the journalist had been hanging around outside the office listening in on the private cabinet reshuffle meeting, and they'd been questioning him all night. So it was basically the guy following him out with his phone camera Anyway he went and published what he heard, so there's some snippets in the link quote:The phone calls continued but defence seemed like it had been settled.
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Sep 14, 2015 12:58
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Breath Ray posted:I think we're talking at cross purposes. If the virtues of anti austerity are so self evident, they should get someone in who can't be attacked for blithely saying they want to bring down capitalism. The messenger matters. The messenger does matter but I think someone committed to the message is more important than someone who is immune to criticism by the rags, if such a person even exists. Someone not afraid to say that is someone who won't shy off the job because the papers are throwing a howling fit. The papers have thrown howling fits about all sorts of quotes and it hasn't slowed Corbyn down one jot. That sort of thing can be a boon.
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Sep 14, 2015 12:59
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The full list of shadow cabinet positions has been published now.
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Sep 14, 2015 13:00
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Tesseraction posted:To the first point: I think they're more likely to have stronger faith than John Q. Pedestrian, but that's neither here nor there, it's more that they've been told from an early age that suicide is bad, and in the Tanakh/Bible it says it can preclude you from peace in the afterlife. While people may not have strong religious leanings (war criminal ex-PMs excluded), some of that teaching will rub off on you. I mean, I was raised half-heartedly Anglican and even though I'm stringently atheist the suicide-is-bad thing stuck with me for a long time. Well, suicide is bad, it's just less awful than dying slowly and painfully. The big question is whether the legalization (proper legalization, not this half hearted "well, it's de jure legal, but nobody is allowed to help you, and if we think you're about to do it you can be held without trial by people who operate completely outside the standard justice system" bullshit) would increase or decrease overall harm. If they're that worried about blood on their hands they should be addressing the underlying causes of social alienation, poverty, mental health service cuts, and everything that comes out of IDS's mouth, rather than just calling the consequences bad and washing their hands of the rest.
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Sep 14, 2015 13:01
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Breath Ray posted:The ft ran a very sympathetic article about how he stopped Tony Blair from joining the euro somehow.
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Sep 14, 2015 13:01
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No Stella Creasy?
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Sep 14, 2015 13:02
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Jose posted:the guardian are really going after corbyn over the no women in top roles I won't lie and say I'm not a bit disappointed. Wouldn't Angela Eagle have been fine as chancellor? She's been shadow minister for the treasury before and she got union nods.
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Sep 14, 2015 13:03
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The Guardian have the text of Corbyn's victory speech, which they've added their own staggeringly obvious annotations to for some reason: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2015/sep/14/jeremy-corbyns-victory-speech-what-he-said-what-he-meant
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Sep 14, 2015 13:03
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baka kaba posted:No Stella Creasy? She said she didn't want a cabinet position if she was going to be Deputy Leader months ago
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Sep 14, 2015 13:04
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Jose posted:The full list of shadow cabinet positions has been published now. From LabourList: quote:Leader of the Opposition and Leader of the Labour Party baka kaba posted:No Stella Creasy? Yeah, I think this is a mistake, especially given her relatively strong showing in the deputy elections.
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Sep 14, 2015 13:06
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spectralent posted:I won't lie and say I'm not a bit disappointed. Wouldn't Angela Eagle have been fine as chancellor? She's been shadow minister for the treasury before and she got union nods. What, the woman who as Secretary to the Treasury said in 2008 that talk of a housing bubble was"a colourful and lurid fiction that has no real bearing on the macroeconomic reality"? Not particularly inspirational.
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Sep 14, 2015 13:07
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Pork Pie Hat posted:The Guardian have the text of Corbyn's victory speech, which they've added their own staggeringly obvious annotations to for some reason: Because they want to establish that you can't take these tricksy socialists at their word, you need the good old Graun to tell you what they really mean, I imagine.
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Sep 14, 2015 13:07
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The media would never support Corbyn, no matter who he brought in or how conciliatory he was. Had a similar situation during the referendum, better to let them write ever more ridiculous stuff and eventually people will turn off (some outlets might change their tune at that stage, too). Would be a good idea to start actively fostering alternatives now, though.
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Sep 14, 2015 13:09
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Pork Pie Hat posted:The Guardian have the text of Corbyn's victory speech, which they've added their own staggeringly obvious annotations to for some reason: Failing to annotate this. quote:We are going to reform ourselves as an Abba tribute band and continue this work in the future. He better not break this promise.
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Sep 14, 2015 13:09
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forkboy84 posted:She said she didn't want a cabinet position if she was going to be Deputy Leader months ago Yeah but she ain't? I'm just wondering if she refused to serve under Corbyn or if she was passed over for some reason The list looks pretty 50/50 from a quick scan, not that that's the story anymore
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Sep 14, 2015 13:14
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Zephro posted:He was Broon's economic adviser and between them they cooked up the Five Tests That Could Never Be Satisfied which was actually and seriously one of the best foreign/economic policy decisions that NuLabour ever took. That owns but I think there was a lot of transparent fillibustering too until Tony Blair was distracted by something else.
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Sep 14, 2015 13:17
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Seems Australia's version of the Tories (the aptly-named Liberal Party) have just ousted their Prime Minister, Tony Abbott. He lost a leadership contest to the previous leader, Malcolm Turnbull. So over a week we've seen Blairism beaten in the leadership (less than 5% of the vote - she's have lost her deposit in a GE with that figure) and the stupidest Prime Minister in history booted from office. I don't know who found that magic lamp but by loving god you'd better not gently caress up with the third wish.
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Sep 14, 2015 13:19
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baka kaba posted:Yeah but she ain't? Sorry, a typo from me. Meant to say if she wasn't elected leader she didn't want a shadow cabinet position. This was according to The New Statesman (near the bottom of this page)
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Sep 14, 2015 13:22
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Tesseraction posted:I don't know who found that magic lamp but by loving god you'd better not gently caress up with the third wish. Don't worry. I saw a bloke with an orange for a head this morning.
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Sep 14, 2015 13:25
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baka kaba posted:Yeah but she ain't? Sixteen of thirty one are women, and of the appointments made by Corbyn it's 15/25 if I counted right.
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Sep 14, 2015 13:28
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The only person I'd have rather seen as Shadow Chancellor than Eagle was McDonnell. Nice to see a Shadow Secretary of State for Mental Health. Shame it's Luciana Berger.
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Sep 14, 2015 13:28
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number one pta fan posted:Nice to see a Shadow Secretary of State for Mental Health. Shame it's Luciana Berger. Why, because she's Jewish? Anti-semite!!
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Sep 14, 2015 13:30
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id have thought mental health wouldbe captured under something a bit broader, like health
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Sep 14, 2015 13:35
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I approve of it (what with being completely mental and all), a minister for the disabled in general would also be good.
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Sep 14, 2015 13:39
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Breath Ray posted:id have thought mental health wouldbe captured under something a bit broader, like health The argument is that mental health issues are now such a big issue that desperately needs more attention it warrants it's own brief.
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Sep 14, 2015 13:40
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Breath Ray posted:id have thought mental health wouldbe captured under something a bit broader, like health I don't know if the press will be "clever" enough to pick up on this, but you could conceivably criticise this as a further otherisation of mental health as distinct from "real" health. I was thinking exactly this at lunch earlier. As somebody who was medicated long term for mental health problems I think mental health does need a dedicated advocate to champion its cause. Think of this as a response to the prevailing attitude, rather than a symptom.
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Tesseraction posted:I don't know who found that magic lamp but by loving god you'd better not gently caress up with the third wish. Bernie Sanders seems to be doing well lately...
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Sep 14, 2015 13:41
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Too late. Orange head.
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Sep 14, 2015 13:46
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The media coverage is phenomenally awful - if ever there were an argument for much tighter press regulation, this would make an excellent case study.
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Sep 14, 2015 13:50
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Oberleutnant posted:I don't know if the press will be "clever" enough to pick up on this, but you could conceivably criticise this as a further otherisation of mental health as distinct from "real" health. I was thinking exactly this at lunch earlier. interesting take. im sure the press will do something clever about ppl with depression needing to pull themselves together, and transsexuals being attention seeking gay men. im keen to see how this cause can be championed. what would your shopping list of recommendations be?
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Sep 14, 2015 13:52
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having too many ministers just means that some will be shut out of the regular cabinet meetings which is fine, but then you have to pick the senior ones and the illusion of ministerial equality collapses.
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Sep 14, 2015 13:54
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ronya posted:having too many ministers just means that some will be shut out of the regular cabinet meetings Maybe hold cabinet meetings in a bigger room?
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Sep 14, 2015 13:55
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Tesseraction posted:Seems Australia's version of the Tories (the aptly-named Liberal Party) have just ousted their Prime Minister, Tony Abbott. He lost a leadership contest to the previous leader, Malcolm Turnbull. Apparently there's a twist to this - he's been booted out 3 days before he passed some threshhold as PM for mega retirement benefits worth AUD600k per annum. Second hand via facebook, but hilarious if true. On McDonnell chat, I can understand why Corbyn went for the loyalist. All of his proposals require a willingness to open the purse strings and run a larger deficit in the short term. If he had appointed a centrist or Blairite as chancellor, then they could have slowly starved key initiatives by the back door and had an impact on the success of all departments. It's the one position where it's essential the office holder is 100% on-message.
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Sep 14, 2015 13:55
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I have to say that the sheer vitriol spewed by the British media in response to the Corbyn election is a sight to behold. Are there any newspapers that are positive about it? The Guardian? The Morning Star?
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Sep 14, 2015 13:56
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Prince John posted:On McDonnell chat, I can understand why Corbyn went for the loyalist.
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Sep 14, 2015 13:57
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Breath Ray posted:interesting take. im sure the press will do something clever about ppl with depression needing to pull themselves together, and transsexuals being attention seeking gay men. im keen to see how this cause can be championed. what would your shopping list of recommendations be? I feel like I couldn't start saying anything without the temptation to type way too much, and my lunch break ends in 4 minutes - but I'll try and post something tonight when I'm again at liberty to sit and apply myself without interruption to an actual earnestpost.
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Broken Cog posted:I have to say that the sheer vitriol spewed by the British media in response to the Corbyn election is a sight to behold. Are there any newspapers that are positive about it? The Guardian? The Morning Star? Morning Star and a single Scottish paper the name of which I forget. Glasgow Herald? Something like that.
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