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RagnarokAngel posted:What does creepy child porn communities have to do with gay marriage? Someone mentioned reddit (a know pedophile hangout), which then someone else mentioned 4chan (a know pedophile hangout), wich then someone mentioned 8chan (a know pedophile hangout) and finally someone posted a picture of gamergate art as Big Boss from Metal Gear Solid V a game noted to have child soldiers and your inability to kill them but you can In other-words, this had nothing to do with gay marriage and its just a stupid derail.
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RagnarokAngel posted:What does creepy child porn communities have to do with gay marriage? all gay people are pedos, didn't you watch that 50's PSA
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ElMaligno posted:Someone mentioned reddit (a know pedophile hangout), which then someone else mentioned 4chan (a know pedophile hangout), wich then someone mentioned 8chan (a know pedophile hangout) and finally someone posted a picture of gamergate art as Big Boss from Metal Gear Solid V a game noted to have child soldiers and your inability to kill them but you can Like SA isn't a known pedophile hangout.  I am curious how the endgame with that stupid clerk in Kentucky turns out. I know her motions will be denied but what happens then?
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mandatory lesbian posted:all gay people are pedos, didn't you watch that 50's PSA Although the discussion went quite off-topic, this is an unfortunate argument with a lot of people who are against gay marriage, and basically believe things like allowing gay couples to adopt children is tantamount to handing children over to sadistic rapists. Humans are terrible at convincing themselves correlations exist where there is only coincidence (see also: one or two stories about [insert random minority here] committing a random, heinous crime means all people of that minority group are predisposed to that crime since they're clearly a hive mind and should immediately be deported/put into camps/etc.)
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Lowtechs posted:Like SA isn't a known pedophile hangout. If she interferes with marriage licenses she goes directly to jail, does not pass go, does not collect wingnut welfare. If she doesn't interfere then nothing happens because so long as licenses are being issued the judge doesn't give a gently caress what she does.
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Lowtechs posted:Like SA isn't a known pedophile hangout. I'm bettin' she'll try to stop her clerks from issuing licenses and get tossed back in the slammer by an increasingly short-tempered Judge Bunning. Eventually she'll either resign or, less likely, get impeached and become a minor celebrity on the curbstomp circuit for a short time.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I'm bettin' she'll try to stop her clerks from issuing licenses and get tossed back in the slammer by an increasingly short-tempered Judge Bunning. Eventually she'll either resign or, less likely, get impeached and become a minor celebrity on the curbstomp circuit for a short time. Had not realized the judge was a Bunning. I presume he/she is a relation of Kentucky icon Jim Bunning?
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mdemone posted:Had not realized the judge was a Bunning. I presume he/she is a relation of Kentucky icon Jim Bunning? His son, apparently.
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mdemone posted:Had not realized the judge was a Bunning. I presume he/she is a relation of Kentucky icon Jim Bunning? His son. I think he was appointed by W, but that won't stop people from declaring him a liberal activist judge
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mdemone posted:Had not realized the judge was a Bunning. I presume he/she is a relation of Kentucky icon Jim Bunning? His son. He was appointed by W, which means his name was put forward or at least approved by his dad or Mitch. This makes him being at the center of this pretty funny. Edit: beaten like Sen Bunning vs the Mets
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Litany Unheard posted:If she interferes with marriage licenses she goes directly to jail, does not pass go, does not collect wingnut welfare. She'll try to find a way to interfere that violates the spirit of the judge's order without violating the letter.
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Deep Hurting posted:She'll try to find a way to interfere that violates the spirit of the judge's order without violating the letter. My prediction is that she allows her clerks to take care of the licenses when needed, and posts a sign saying she won't do it personally, or some other type of passive-aggressive move.
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Lowtechs posted:Like SA isn't a known pedophile hangout. 4chan came from ADTRW, ADTRW came from SA, SA came from the internet ergo the internet makes you a kiddie diddler.
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Epic High Five posted:Yeah there's nothing subtle about the pedo vibes on 8chan. /girls/ is nothing but underage girls in bikinis, and after I saw that I didn't even bother to check what /loli/ had in store 8chan is so poo poo at this point that Google has actually removed it from it's search results. Politically it might not differ much from 4chan but the shitload of reddit worthy child* porn content would be loving banhammered on 4chan. *you can stop saying underage because these guys traffic in blatant children. Dr. Killjoy fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Sep 13, 2015 |
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This is an hour-long video of a pastor of the Southern Baptist Convention explaining to his congregation how and why he has come to change his stance on homosexuality. I have the attention span of a flea, but I watched the whole thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqYvkVqVLFo The big reveal isn't what I expected it to be when he first started talking.
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RagnarokAngel posted:What does creepy child porn communities have to do with gay marriage? If you were a true Christian you'd understand.
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Deep Hurting posted:She'll try to find a way to interfere that violates the spirit of the judge's order without violating the letter. Such as? This is a binary thing. Either gay couples get marriage licenses or they don't. It's not like she can find some loophole and the judge has to shuffle his feet and say "aw shucks Ms. Davis you sure pulled one over on me!" If gay couples don't get their licenses she (and her clerks/office) will be in violation of the order.
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My guess is that she'll do whatever she can to make it so that couples seeking licences are humiliated and inconvenienced...without actually prohibiting her deputy clerks from actually issuing the license. poo poo like making them sit down and talk with her first, but then making them sit around and wait for her to be available, and then shuffling them around the office for as long as possible before depositing them in front of one of the deputies.
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Plan A: Shout JESUS! Very Loudly didn't work and landed her in jail. So next they'll go to Plan B, which goes as follows: * Davis's lawyers have an appeal of Bunning's injunction active, seeking to reduce its scope to only the original four couples and claiming that Bunning didn't have the necessary jurisdiction to make it apply to all license-seekers. * Simultaneously, they appealed for Judge Bunning to order Governor Beshear to exempt her by removing her name from the licenses, only to be told that Bunning did not have jurisdiction for that and that they should submit the matter to Kentucky state court. * Neither argument is going anywhere. The former is stalling for time, the latter is futile as Beshear knows that if he gives in and grants the exemption, not only is it a win for Davis but every other fundie in the state will expect similar treatment. However, as long as any legal gambits are in play, she will claim that the law is unsettled and the appeals must progress and in the meantime, she is still in charge and nobody gets licenses from her office. Then we'll see how nasty she'll decide to get when deputies say "gently caress her, I'll issue them."
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Telsa Cola posted:She goes back to jail tomorrow, right? Presumably, yes.
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Centripetal Horse posted:This is an hour-long video of a pastor of the Southern Baptist Convention explaining to his congregation how and why he has come to change his stance on homosexuality. I have the attention span of a flea, but I watched the whole thing. I, too have the attention span of a gnat and after ten minutes of introduction got tired of waiting for him to get to the point already. Is it basically the same thing as in one of his early comments, that Leviticus only applied in a specific context and since that context isn't present anymore the laws no longer apply?
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I'm looking forward to the bad lady going back to work and when she tries to poo poo on people then the rule of law will poop on her and she will be made unhappy and unable to hurt people
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Buried alive posted:I, too have the attention span of a gnat and after ten minutes of introduction got tired of waiting for him to get to the point already. Is it basically the same thing as in one of his early comments, that Leviticus only applied in a specific context and since that context isn't present anymore the laws no longer apply? There's a twist. his son came out to him. Also, the SBC kicked them out I'm planning on watching the whole thing tomorrow since I'm working as an elder to help guide my church through a process of becoming open and affirming. It's really disappointing seeing people walking out less than 10 minutes in.  Oh, someone came back. 
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delfin posted:Plan A: Shout JESUS! Very Loudly didn't work and landed her in jail. So next they'll go to Plan B, which goes as follows: If I were one of the 5/6 employees who are willing to issue, I'd be collecting documentation for my inevitable unjust firing etc lawsuit.
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Buried alive posted:I, too have the attention span of a gnat and after ten minutes of introduction got tired of waiting for him to get to the point already. Is it basically the same thing as in one of his early comments, that Leviticus only applied in a specific context and since that context isn't present anymore the laws no longer apply? No. It's a long and heart-felt description of his journey from believing that homosexuality is capital-W Wrong, to realizing that love and inclusion is what Jesus would have wanted. He talks about having taken the word of his parents, and his church elders, and his community, without having himself studied the question of homosexuality in the Bible. He tells of counseling his congregants on a wide variety of issues, and how he always felt that he was able to offer them love, and guidance, and help to improve their lives. He speaks movingly about how that was not the case with congregants who came to him with issues of same-sex attraction. He describes how time and again, he felt that he was sending them away in fear and in pain, rather than in love and in hope. He reflects on how terrible it was to feel that he was sentencing people to lives of loneliness, and telling them they could never allow themselves to fall in love, or to have the emotional and physical intimacy that they obviously craved. He questions why, of all the things he believes, and of all advice he gives based on his religious beliefs, he feels like he is doing harm instead of help when he is counseling on this one issue. Pastor Cortez goes on to talk about interacting with gay members of his congregation and his community. He says that he had a long list of Biblical things to study, and that homosexuality was low on the list. Then, a lesbian woman in the church pleaded with him to move it to the top, and he did. He tells of his attempts to understand the historical context (he does go into that, but it's not as simple as in your question), and to understand what Biblical authors, such as Paul in Romans, were really saying in their writings. Caligula makes an appearance. The pastor talks about his gradual awakening, and one day asking himself, "Do I no longer believe this?" Three quarters of the way through, a very personal angle enters the story, but the buildup is important. It's pretty great, and I was moved. Edit: Nth Doctor posted:There's a twist. I noticed the same thing with the person walking out, and was sort of relieved when I saw someone come back in. You already know the big reveal, but did you listen to the actual story? It's very touching. Edit II: Don't watch this video if you don't already know what happens in the church video I posted. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyT636qfJ7A Centripetal Horse fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Sep 14, 2015 |
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Here we go! Today is her firsts day back at work and already supporters are out in front of the court house   And now to the best news Just got word #KimDavis will make a statement outside of the Rowan Co clerks office in 30mins #WAVE3News https://twitter.com/JulianGloverTV
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Oh Kim #KimDavis suggests marriage licenses should not go through clerk, calls on legislature to act #WAVE3News #BREAKING — #KimDavis says she's 'no hero', licenses will not have her name on them #WAVE3News Mr Ice Cream Glove fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Sep 14, 2015 |
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The audio from the video that's linked in that tweet:Kim Davis posted:"[cut off] remedy, which reconciles my conscience with Judge Bunning's orders, effective immediately, and until an accomodation is provided by those with the authority to provide it, any marriage license issued by my office will not be issued or authorized by me." This sounds a whole lot like she might be going back to jail since the deputies derive their authority to issue licenses from the clerk unless there's a technicality here I'm not seeing.
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Like mother like son Toni Konz Also at work today: Nathan Davis, son of #KimDavis. He is deputy clerk. Says he will NOT issue marriage licenses Mr Ice Cream Glove fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Sep 14, 2015 |
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Regular 9am opening time for this? Is there a live stream? If she goes to jail again I'm having suck a good night at the expense of others.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Like mother like son Yassss. That's like a free preview. Are there people already lined up? I'd be tempted to travel there just to try and make her go to jail again if I were planning to get married anyway.
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So the deal is she and her son won't issue licenses, but she won't stop her deputies from doing so. If that's true, she's not going back to jail. This position is the one she rejected last week just before the judge threw her in jail for contempt. Presumably if it was good enough for the judge then, it remains good enough now.
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Stop sodomite perverts. This is totally about the law, guys.
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I love how she is begging the legislature to act so she can keep her job without doing it. Brave and courageous truly.
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Wax Dynasty posted:So the deal is she and her son won't issue licenses, but she won't stop her deputies from doing so. If that's true, she's not going back to jail. This position is the one she rejected last week just before the judge threw her in jail for contempt. Presumably if it was good enough for the judge then, it remains good enough now. So how long until the extreme religious right turns on her for being a sellout? Is there a RINO-like term for Christians?
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Wax Dynasty posted:So the deal is she and her son won't issue licenses, but she won't stop her deputies from doing so. If that's true, she's not going back to jail. This position is the one she rejected last week just before the judge threw her in jail for contempt. Presumably if it was good enough for the judge then, it remains good enough now. Her name is still on the form though. I expect she'll do something dumb like try to white out her name on all the forms.
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univbee posted:So how long until the extreme religious right turns on her for being a sellout? Is there a RINO-like term for Christians? A lot of them are going to claim it as a win and pretend that's what she wanted all along. Which it at least partially probably is, to keep her cushy job without doing all the work.
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univbee posted:So how long until the extreme religious right turns on her for being a sellout? Is there a RINO-like term for Christians? they will mill around the building for a few days waiting to the holy war they thought they were gonna get before she backed down and then go home and figure out another bigot to send money to. Its the ultimate anti-climax, unless shes dumb enough to try something again in the near future and since she has proved herself to be an attention whore with persecution and entitlement complexes so stay tuned over the next few months.
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For anyone saying she's "getting paid for not doing anything", keep in mind that her office actually does a lot more than issue marriage licenses. Still lovely, but she's not shirking her only duty or something.
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